Re: Anything like Effective Java for Python?
I have learned java for half a year and now I want to learn Python, should I learn python 3k or the traditional version? On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 7:19 AM, kj no.em...@please.post wrote: Subject line pretty much says it all: is there a book like Effective Java for Python. I.e. a book that assumes that readers are experienced programmers that already know the basics of the language, and want to focus on more advanced programming issues? ~K -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Anything like Effective Java for Python?
Neo wrote: I have learned java for half a year and now I want to learn Python, should I learn python 3k or the traditional version? That depends on whether you need to use specific libraries that haven't yet been ported to Python 3. If so then start with Python 2. If not, start with 3 - the differences are small enough that you can relatively easily fall back to 2 if you need to get access to non-ported libraries. regards Steve On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 7:19 AM, kj no.em...@please.post wrote: Subject line pretty much says it all: is there a book like Effective Java for Python. I.e. a book that assumes that readers are experienced programmers that already know the basics of the language, and want to focus on more advanced programming issues? ~K -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Steve Holden +1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 See PyCon Talks from Atlanta 2010 http://pycon.blip.tv/ Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ UPCOMING EVENTS:http://holdenweb.eventbrite.com/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Anything like Effective Java for Python?
kj wrote: Subject line pretty much says it all: is there a book like Effective Java for Python. I.e. a book that assumes that readers are experienced programmers that already know the basics of the language, and want to focus on more advanced programming issues? ~K Effective Java is a good book, it is not like most people responding to this topic a how to program in Java book but a I know how to program in Python, but I want it to run fast and use a minimal amount of memory. I would have liked to have such a book for Python when I was past the language learning stage. Gabriel -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Anything like Effective Java for Python?
Gabriel Rossetti gabriel.rosse...@arimaz.com writes: kj wrote: Subject line pretty much says it all: is there a book like Effective Java for Python. I.e. a book that assumes that readers are experienced programmers that already know the basics of the language, and want to focus on more advanced programming issues? Effective Java is a good book, it is not like most people responding to this topic a how to program in Java I had more the feeling that these responses were more of the Look, you actually need a book to learn how to program effectively in Java *snigger* fanboism. book but a I know how to program in Python, but I want it to run fast and use a minimal amount of memory. I would have liked to have such a book for Python when I was past the language learning stage. High Performance Python by Anthony Lewis (Author), et al. (*snigger*!) might be such a book but we have to wait a few more months: Publisher: O'Reilly Media; 1 edition (September 15, 2010) (It has been on my wish list for several months) To the OP: right now, Dive into Python is clearly written with people who have experience with programming in mind. I've both the Python 2 and Python 3 version (books). You can download a version of each for free: http://www.google.com/search?q=dive%20into%20python -- John Bokma j3b Hacking Hiking in Mexico - http://johnbokma.com/ http://castleamber.com/ - Perl Python Development -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Anything like Effective Java for Python?
On 10 Mar, 15:19, kj no.em...@please.post wrote: Subject line pretty much says it all: is there a book like Effective Java for Python. I.e. a book that assumes that readers are experienced programmers that already know the basics of the language, and want to focus on more advanced programming issues? I don't know about the Java book you mention but I find Python in a Nutshell published by O'Reilly to be a good reference. James -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Anything like Effective Java for Python?
James Harris, 11.03.2010 09:30: On 10 Mar, 15:19, kjno.em...@please.post wrote: Subject line pretty much says it all: is there a book like Effective Java for Python. I.e. a book that assumes that readers are experienced programmers that already know the basics of the language, and want to focus on more advanced programming issues? I don't know about the Java book you mention but I find Python in a Nutshell published by O'Reilly to be a good reference. There's also the Python Cookbook that has a couple of useful recipes that can become handy at times. http://code.activestate.com/recipes/langs/python/ Stefan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Anything like Effective Java for Python?
On Mar 11, 7:05 am, kj no.em...@please.post wrote: In mailman.561.1268239578.23598.python-l...@python.org Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk writes: kj wrote: Subject line pretty much says it all: is there a book like Effective Java oxymoronic, no? Sorry, couldn't resist ;-) I hear you, but still: read Effective Java some day; it will make you a better programmer, whatever your language preference. I'm certainly no fan of Java, but I still rank Effective Java as one of my best reads on programming ever. I felt that my maturity as a programmer went up a notch or two after digesting this book. I'll second that. I much prefer Python to Java, but Effective Java is an excellent book. Many of its topics would be applicable to Python, although the solutions in Python would obviously be different. Eliminate obsolete object references (use None to break reference counts) Avoid finalizers (use the with statement) Favor immutability Design method signatures carefully (including the x=[] gotcha) Optimize judiciously Don't ignore exceptions Avoid excessive synchronization There are also some topics in Effective Java where the advice is almost the opposite of Python tradition. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Anything like Effective Java for Python?
On 3/10/10 10:19 AM, kj wrote: Subject line pretty much says it all: is there a book like Effective Java for Python. I.e. a book that assumes that readers are experienced programmers that already know the basics of the language, and want to focus on more advanced programming issues? ~K I haven't read Effective Java, but I have found Lutz's Programming Python to be a very useful guide to solving various programming issues with the language. It's a big, big book, so there's lots to look at. -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Anything like Effective Java for Python?
kj wrote: Subject line pretty much says it all: is there a book like Effective Java for Python. I.e. a book that assumes that readers are experienced programmers that already know the basics of the language, and want to focus on more advanced programming issues? I'm surprised nobody mentioned Dive Into Python: http://diveintopython.org/ Available for free online. Most Python books contain a lot of 'hello world' material which for someone who knows at least one programming language is boring, this one doesn't, it cuts straight to the point. I found it very readable. Regards, mk -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Anything like Effective Java for Python?
On 10 March 2010 15:19, kj no.em...@please.post wrote: Subject line pretty much says it all: is there a book like Effective Java for Python. I.e. a book that assumes that readers are experienced programmers that already know the basics of the language, and want to focus on more advanced programming issues? http://www.packtpub.com/expert-python-programming/book is good. -- Cheers, Simon B. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Anything like Effective Java for Python?
kj wrote: Subject line pretty much says it all: is there a book like Effective Java oxymoronic, no? Sorry, couldn't resist ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Anything like Effective Java for Python?
Chris Withers, 10.03.2010 17:46: kj wrote: Subject line pretty much says it all: is there a book like Effective Java oxymoronic, no? Sorry, couldn't resist ;-) Nothing to excuse for. I thought exactly the same thing. Stefan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
