Re: How to apply filters to posts

2018-06-14 Thread Cameron Simpson

On 14Jun2018 19:42, Dennis Lee Bieber  wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 05:39:08 +1000, Ben Finney 
declaimed the following:


Don't choose the daily digest, because it makes a special “digest”
message for you each day. That message is disconnected from any other
message, and so you will not be able to reply correctly to any


Unless one has a client that can do digest bursting -- if the digest
provides all the proper headers for each message in it, the burst messages
should link properly.

Though I don't use Forte Agent for email, so don't have actual
experience with its bursting feature.


Digests drop a lot of headers. Historically, they omit the Message-ID and 
In-Reply-To headers, and thus completely break threading for new replies. It is 
better all around to just get individual list messages and arrange to file them 
off into a folder distinct from your main inbox.


Cheers,
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Re: How to apply filters to posts

2018-06-14 Thread Ben Finney
Dennis Lee Bieber  writes:

> On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 05:39:08 +1000, Ben Finney 
> declaimed the following:
>
> >Don't choose the daily digest, because it makes a special “digest”
> >message for you each day. That message is disconnected from any other
> >message, and so you will not be able to reply correctly to any
>
>   Unless one has a client that can do digest bursting -- if the digest
> provides all the proper headers for each message in it, the burst messages
> should link properly.

At which point, there seems little point in subscribing to the digest:
just get all the actual messages delivered, and use the more powerful
filtering built into the mail client.

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Re: How to apply filters to posts

2018-06-14 Thread Cameron Simpson

On 14Jun2018 09:23, Tamara Berger  wrote:
Thanks, Rhodri. One more question. What is a daily digest? I'm wondering 
whether to choose that option.


Please don't use the digest mode.

They're a terrible way to read lists, and an even worse way to participate - 
your replies will never be correctly associate with any particular discussion 
thread and unless you're paying attention, won't even have a decent subject 
line (which, BTW, is _not_ how discussion threads are connected together).


Instead, filter the list messages to their own GMail label and skip your inbox.  
That way the whole list is off to the side under its own section which you can 
visit whenever you want to instead of cluttering your inbox.


Also, the discussion threads will be nicely collected together, with the most 
recent at the top where they're easy to see. If the threads you're interested 
in have a new reply, that thread should be up near the top.


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Re: How to apply filters to posts

2018-06-14 Thread Mark Lawrence

On 14/06/18 17:23, T Berger wrote:

On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 11:26:00 AM UTC-4, Rhodri James wrote:

On 14/06/18 16:00, T Berger wrote:

On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 8:02:44 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:


They're connected. "Subscribe to the list" makes you a member of the
mailing list (and thus you will start receiving posts), which also
entitles you to send to the list. Sending email to that address will
send it to the list. So what you're seeing is not options, but steps -
first you subscribe, then you send email.


OK. And can you tell me how to apply filters so that only replies to my emails 
are included. I subscribed to the list a couple of weeks ago and then had to 
unsubscribe because I was getting emails on every posted topic.


That's exactly how mailing lists work: you get everything.  Any
filtering has to be done at your end in your mail program.  Personally I
use Thunderbird, get it to sort messages into threads (sequences of
conversation, in effect) and only read the threads that seem interesting.

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Thanks, Rhodri. One more question. What is a daily digest? I'm wondering 
whether to choose that option.

Tamara



Please no, not the misery of people replying to daily digests.  As I've 
said previously and as reinforced by Rhodri James above, point 
Thunderbird or similar at news.gmane.org and read and reply to 
everything to your hearts content without bothering your own inbox. 
Simples :)


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Re: How to apply filters to posts

2018-06-14 Thread T Berger
On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 3:39:44 PM UTC-4, Ben Finney wrote:
> T Berger  writes:
> 
> > Thanks, Rhodri. One more question. What is a daily digest? I'm
> > wondering whether to choose that option.
> 
> Don't choose the daily digest, because it makes a special “digest”
> message for you each day. That message is disconnected from any other
> message, and so you will not be able to reply correctly to any
> discussion. It's not appropriate for anyone who wants to also
> participate in discussions.
> 
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>   `\  be forced to tell lies is much worse.” —Oscar Wilde, _De |
> _o__) Profundis_, 1897 |
> Ben Finney

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Re: How to apply filters to posts

2018-06-14 Thread Ben Finney
T Berger  writes:

> Thanks, Rhodri. One more question. What is a daily digest? I'm
> wondering whether to choose that option.

Don't choose the daily digest, because it makes a special “digest”
message for you each day. That message is disconnected from any other
message, and so you will not be able to reply correctly to any
discussion. It's not appropriate for anyone who wants to also
participate in discussions.

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  `\  be forced to tell lies is much worse.” —Oscar Wilde, _De |
_o__) Profundis_, 1897 |
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Re: How to apply filters to posts

2018-06-14 Thread T Berger
On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 11:26:00 AM UTC-4, Rhodri James wrote:
> On 14/06/18 16:00, T Berger wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 8:02:44 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > 
> >> They're connected. "Subscribe to the list" makes you a member of the
> >> mailing list (and thus you will start receiving posts), which also
> >> entitles you to send to the list. Sending email to that address will
> >> send it to the list. So what you're seeing is not options, but steps -
> >> first you subscribe, then you send email.
> > 
> > OK. And can you tell me how to apply filters so that only replies to my 
> > emails are included. I subscribed to the list a couple of weeks ago and 
> > then had to unsubscribe because I was getting emails on every posted topic.
> 
> That's exactly how mailing lists work: you get everything.  Any 
> filtering has to be done at your end in your mail program.  Personally I 
> use Thunderbird, get it to sort messages into threads (sequences of 
> conversation, in effect) and only read the threads that seem interesting.
> 
> -- 
> Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd

Thanks, Rhodri. One more question. What is a daily digest? I'm wondering 
whether to choose that option.

Tamara 

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Re: How to apply filters to posts

2018-06-14 Thread Rhodri James

On 14/06/18 16:00, T Berger wrote:

On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 8:02:44 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:


They're connected. "Subscribe to the list" makes you a member of the
mailing list (and thus you will start receiving posts), which also
entitles you to send to the list. Sending email to that address will
send it to the list. So what you're seeing is not options, but steps -
first you subscribe, then you send email.


OK. And can you tell me how to apply filters so that only replies to my emails 
are included. I subscribed to the list a couple of weeks ago and then had to 
unsubscribe because I was getting emails on every posted topic.


That's exactly how mailing lists work: you get everything.  Any 
filtering has to be done at your end in your mail program.  Personally I 
use Thunderbird, get it to sort messages into threads (sequences of 
conversation, in effect) and only read the threads that seem interesting.


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Re: How to apply filters to posts

2018-06-14 Thread T Berger
On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 8:02:44 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:

> They're connected. "Subscribe to the list" makes you a member of the
> mailing list (and thus you will start receiving posts), which also
> entitles you to send to the list. Sending email to that address will
> send it to the list. So what you're seeing is not options, but steps -
> first you subscribe, then you send email.

OK. And can you tell me how to apply filters so that only replies to my emails 
are included. I subscribed to the list a couple of weeks ago and then had to 
unsubscribe because I was getting emails on every posted topic.

Thanks,

Tamara

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Re: How to apply filters to posts

2018-06-14 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 3:47 PM, T Berger  wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 1:21:53 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> I recommend, instead, joining the mailing list:
>>
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>
> There seem to be two options on the Python-list Information Page.
>
> * Subscribe to the list (see sections below)
> * Send email to python-list@python.org
>
> Which are you recommending?
>

They're connected. "Subscribe to the list" makes you a member of the
mailing list (and thus you will start receiving posts), which also
entitles you to send to the list. Sending email to that address will
send it to the list. So what you're seeing is not options, but steps -
first you subscribe, then you send email.

ChrisA
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Re: How to apply filters to posts

2018-06-13 Thread T Berger
On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 1:21:53 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:

> I recommend, instead, joining the mailing list:
> 
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

There seem to be two options on the Python-list Information Page.  

* Subscribe to the list (see sections below)
* Send email to python-list@python.org

Which are you recommending?

Tamara
> 
> ChrisA
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Re: How to apply filters to posts

2018-04-09 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:10 PM, T Berger  wrote:
> This is the first time I've joined a google group and I don't understand the 
> setup. Why are most of the posts in this group unrelated to python, and how 
> do I filter this junk (sorry) out?
>

Probably most of them ARE junk. Google Groups has a lot of spam in it.
I recommend, instead, joining the mailing list:

https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Other people recommend Gmane, which is also a highly viable option.

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