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On Feb 19, 2009, at 3:21 PM, ken manheimer wrote:
this is all the more worrisome since i spent some time porting
pdbtrack to python.el. it's currently there in emacs 23.0.90, but i
see it's not in the emacs that comes w/recent ubuntu, emacs 22.2.
sorry to be late to this python.el / python-mode.el convergence
discussion. i'm concerned that what dave is describing would not
preserve a crucial feature of pdbtrack, a feature that may be a reason
some python developers choose python-mode.el over python.el. (it is
for me.)
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009
I stand corrected. When I first read that my thought was that the 'not
well maintained for Emacs' line was a gratuitous slam, since, IMO,
python-mode.el worked fine. I had no idea what he was talking about. In
fact, having used both now pretty extensively for a couple weeks (day on
day off)
Legally, at this point I don't know the legal status of every bit of
code in python-mode.el. Technically, any 'merge' depends on
how we define the term. For me, the answer is yes, since I'm looking at
this project as sort of an optimization exercise
in both features and algorithms. On the leve
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On Feb 1, 2009, at 4:57 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
It seems like python-mode.el will never be included in Emacs.
Why is that? Too many contributors? Can't be tracked down?
Won't sign papers?
Just pessimistic we can work out the legal details.
> I had hoped that it would be possible to merge python-mode.el and python.el
> and reduce the confusion and inconvenience of Python X/Emacs users.
> Andreas's opinion is that that is technically impossible and I believe it
> is Dave's opinion that it will be practically impossible from a legal
>> Emacs includes python.el, written by Dave Love, about which there is
>> no legal problem.
> Indeed, and I don't understand what other problem there is with it,
> other than maintenance. Why does it need to be replaced with
> python-mode.el, even if that was properly assigned?
Maintenance is pr
>> Since Andreas Röhler is unwilling to sign legal papers for his
>> code in python.el, we cannot use it in Emacs.
>>
>> Would anyone like to implement for python-mode.el whatever
>> nice features python.el may have? Barry, could you make a TODO list?
> I didn't know any of Andreas' code was in P
However, I don't think it's worth
worrying about it on the basis of someone who's so far quoted some
duplicated keybindings, and a Fixme comment that was clearly mine, as
evidence of all this copied code. If Emacs developers are worried,
please contact me more privately.
Tho
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On Feb 2, 2009, at 12:03 AM, Beverley Eyre wrote:
Also, if I can make a suggestion, Barry, I think it would be a good
idea to ask Dave, or rms, or someone at GNU, to remove
the derogatory comments about python-mode.el that are gratuitously
includ
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In the meantime, can you fix a few small inaccuracies in python.el?
;; There is another Python mode, python-mode.el, used by XEmacs and
;; maintained with Python. That isn't covered by an FSF copyright
;; assignment, unlike this code, and seems not
Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Jeff Kowalczyk wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 07:33:15 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>>> As Andreas pointed out, we have not yet merged his changes into python-
>>> mode.el.
>>>
>>> I had hoped that it would be possible to merge python-mode.el and
>
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On Feb 1, 2009, at 10:37 PM, Chong Yidong wrote:
Beverley Eyre writes:
From my understanding, no one suggesting cutting and pasting your
code.
Dave's objection, if I understand it correctly, is precisely the
cutting
and pasting of his code:
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On Feb 1, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Jeff Kowalczyk wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 07:33:15 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote:
As Andreas pointed out, we have not yet merged his changes into
python-
mode.el.
I had hoped that it would be possible to merge python-mod
Barry Wrote:
I don't know what more we can do and it seems like python-mode.el will
never be included in Emacs. Oh well.
I don't really see that as a tragedy, Barry. When I'm writing a new
paper (in LaTeX, of course) and I want the latest version of
IEEEtran.cls I go to the IEEE. Most of
On 02/01/2009 07:37 PM, Chong Yidong wrote:
Beverley Eyre writes:
From my understanding, no one suggesting cutting and pasting your
code.
Dave's objection, if I understand it correctly, is precisely the cutting
and pasting of his code:
this all originated when I complained abo
Beverley Eyre writes:
> From my understanding, no one suggesting cutting and pasting your
> code.
Dave's objection, if I understand it correctly, is precisely the cutting
and pasting of his code:
this all originated when I complained about someone distributing a
chunk of my code with the FS
Dave et al,
I'm not sure what you think "isn't true". I'll repeat that I don't blame you
for using python-mode.el when you
wrote python.el. My whole point was that you did. The following are some of the
comments in your code that generated my
remarks:
(from python.el, GNU Emacs version 22.3.1)
Richard M Stallman wrote:
> Since Andreas Röhler is unwilling to sign legal papers for his
> code in python.el, we cannot use it in Emacs.
>
> Would anyone like to implement for python-mode.el whatever
> nice features python.el may have? Barry, could you make a TODO list?
You've got this backwar
You've got this backwards.
Emacs includes python.el, written by Dave Love, about which there is
no legal problem.
python-mode.el is the alternative, which has several contributors
including Andreas R. This has never been included in Emacs.
Please forgive my confusion. I did
Beverley Eyre writes:
> Don't forget that there was a peck of code that Dave Love took from
> python-mode.el in his python.el.
That's not true, as I've already responded to Eyre with some subset of
these Ccs. As well as this claim of wholesale copying, and thus me
lying about the copyright stat
I seem to be repeating this to ever-expanding lists of addresses.
Glenn Morris writes:
> You've got this backwards.
>
> Emacs includes python.el, written by Dave Love, about which there is
> no legal problem.
Indeed, and I don't understand what other problem there is with it,
other than mainten
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 07:33:15 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> As Andreas pointed out, we have not yet merged his changes into python-
> mode.el.
>
> I had hoped that it would be possible to merge python-mode.el and
> python.el and reduce the confusion and inconvenience of Python X/Emacs
> users.
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On Feb 1, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Glenn Morris wrote:
Since Andreas Röhler is unwilling to sign legal papers for his
code in python.el, we cannot use it in Emacs.
Would anyone like to implement for python-mode.el whatever
nice features python.el may have
Beverley Eyre wrote:
> On 01/31/2009 10:31 PM, Richard M Stallman wrote:
>> Since Andreas Röhler is unwilling to sign legal papers for his
>> code in python.el, we cannot use it in Emacs.
>>
>> Would anyone like to implement for python-mode.el whatever
>> nice features python.el may have? Barry, c
On 01/31/2009 11:00 PM, Glenn Morris wrote:
Richard M Stallman wrote:
Since Andreas Röhler is unwilling to sign legal papers for his
code in python.el, we cannot use it in Emacs.
Would anyone like to implement for python-mode.el whatever
nice features python.el may have? Barry, could you
On 01/31/2009 10:31 PM, Richard M Stallman wrote:
Since Andreas Röhler is unwilling to sign legal papers for his
code in python.el, we cannot use it in Emacs.
Would anyone like to implement for python-mode.el whatever
nice features python.el may have? Barry, could you make a TODO list?
I
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