[Python-mode] merging python-mode.el and python.el

2009-01-18 Thread Dave Love
There is talk in the python-mode.el and on the web site of merging it with python.el. I hope people realize that can only be done in accordance with the GPL licence of python.el -- i.e. one way -- although it doesn't seem useful anyhow. There's already been an attempt to put python.el code into p

Re: [Python-mode] merging python-mode.el and python.el

2009-01-27 Thread Dave Love
"s...@pobox.com" writes: > Based on my own personal experience I don't think you > can lay all the blame on the folks who have contributed to python-mode.el. Who's laying blame? There wasn't much point in me pursuing any other authors without an assignment for Barry's code, but it's now moot.

Re: [Python-mode] merging python-mode.el and python.el

2009-01-27 Thread Dave Love
Andreas Roehler writes: > Somehow this diff --thanks btw-- contradicts your > arging here, don't it? No, but what's that got to do with FSF copyright? > so I wrote an intentionally incompatible mode > > that's human... Mainly engineering as far as I'm concerned. > Is python.el now included in

Re: [Python-mode] merging python-mode.el and python.el

2009-01-27 Thread Dave Love
Barry Warsaw writes: > While technically the python-mode.el file does not have GPL license > on it, we've tried many times in the past to assign copyright so that > it /could/ have such a license on it, and even be owned by the FSF. Like I just posted elsewhere (?), we -- I think at least t

Re: [Python-mode] merging python-mode.el and python.el

2009-01-27 Thread Dave Love
Beverley Eyre writes: > But, it was my > understanding, based on my readings of rms' stuff, that 'free' software > is free so that people who care to can change the code. Partly, yes. > More, they can distribute this altered code to all and sundry as long > it remains 'free'. You should re-r

Re: [Python-mode] merging python-mode.el and python.el

2009-02-01 Thread Dave Love
Barry Warsaw writes: > python-mode.el works fine in Emacs Maybe now -- I haven't checked closely -- but it didn't when I tried to fix it, and people are now trying to incorporate Emacs-specific features. I found the issues actually using it originally, and others did according to Debian bug rep

Re: [Python-mode] FSF assignment policy

2009-02-01 Thread Dave Love
Andreas Roehler writes: > Barry Warsaw wrote: >> For this audience, I'll restate my position, vis-à-vis python-mode. >> >> I assert that Tim Peters and myself have assigned copyright in >> python-mode.el to the FSF. For this audience, again: Unfortunately the FSF only has an assignment from T

Re: [Python-mode] replacing python.el

2009-02-01 Thread Dave Love
I seem to be repeating this to ever-expanding lists of addresses. Glenn Morris writes: > You've got this backwards. > > Emacs includes python.el, written by Dave Love, about which there is > no legal problem. Indeed, and I don't understand what other problem there

Re: [Python-mode] replacing python.el

2009-02-01 Thread Dave Love
Beverley Eyre writes: > Don't forget that there was a peck of code that Dave Love took from > python-mode.el in his python.el. That's not true, as I've already responded to Eyre with some subset of these Ccs. As well as this claim of wholesale copying, and thus me lyin