Re: [Python-mode] python-mode.el 6.0 released
Am 27.01.2012 05:44, schrieb François Pinard: Andreas Röhlerandreas.roeh...@online.de writes: (add-to-list 'load-path d:/somewhere) (autoload 'python-mode python-mode Python Mode. t) make sure python-mode.el is earlier in path than python.el Does add-to-list do that? Good question. M-x describe-variable RET load-path should tell you. While I understand Andreas reply, we should not loose sight that Python users do not necessarily want to know that much about Emacs. There is a quite a long way between starting Emacs to edit Python code, and knowing about Emacs variables, discovering M-x functions like describe-variable (there are so many of these functions, and so many ways to get help), and load-path details. To develop python-mode, knowing Emacs more deeply is inescapable. To use python-mode, we should expect about nothing from user knowledge about Emacs Lisp. So, for any basic good question, this is python-mode's README that should tell you. It should be sufficient to get fully started. François will add that onto https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-mode/+spec/features Thanks, Andreas ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
[Python-mode] python-mode.el 6.0
Nice work on this ! Just got around to upgrading to 6.0 and discovered that the python menu has the option Switch to interpreter which maps to the function py-switch-to-python This function is undefined in the python-mode source AFAICT (e.g. based on grepping the extracted tarfile) Any ideas where the function comes from? 2011/7/25 Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org On Jul 23, 2011, at 06:48 PM, Andreas Röhler wrote: proudly announcing the release of python-mode.el 6.0 at http://launchpad.net/python-mode/trunk/6.0/+download/python-mode-6.0.tgz Congratulations Andreas! -Barry ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode -- Love regards etc David Miller http://www.deadpansincerity.com 07854 880 883 ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] python-mode.el 6.0
Am 28.07.2011 10:33, schrieb David Miller: Nice work on this ! Just got around to upgrading to 6.0 and discovered that the python menu has the option Switch to interpreter which maps to the function py-switch-to-python This function is undefined in the python-mode source AFAICT (e.g. based on grepping the extracted tarfile) Any ideas where the function comes from? Hi, thanks for the report. Made an entry in the bug tracker for the moment. https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-mode/+bug/817389 If people could report bugs there, it's preferable to this list. Best regards, Andreas ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] python-mode.el 6.0
Am 28.07.2011 10:33, schrieb David Miller: Nice work on this ! Just got around to upgrading to 6.0 and discovered that the python menu has the option Switch to interpreter which maps to the function py-switch-to-python [ ... ] Hi David, it turned out having two labels pointing at the same, starting a py-shell resp. switching to basically. Deleted the first. As labeling might be a matter of taste just to mention it here. Thanks again, Andreas ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] python-mode.el 6.0 released
On Jul 23, 2011, at 06:48 PM, Andreas Röhler wrote: proudly announcing the release of python-mode.el 6.0 at http://launchpad.net/python-mode/trunk/6.0/+download/python-mode-6.0.tgz Congratulations Andreas! -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] python-mode.el 6.0 released
Please write a bug report. Also posting on the emacs-help might be useful. Thanks for your suggestions here, I know it is out of scope for python-mode. But reporting the bug in emacs 3 years ago, and the deficiencies of that process from a user perspective, do not encourage following the process again... Please take in consideration the tremendous work the Emacs core-developers are delivering. Have a look at what you get from it and ask where it's coming from. From my perspective these people deserve our assistance and patience likewise. I was hoping there might be some other interface to the process that I overlooked, or which augments the process whose documentation I was able to find, and, with great effort, follow. So, I did write a bug report email for this exact issue, for emacs 23.1, 3 years ago. But I have no way to check its status. http://debbugs.gnu.org/ Is there a different interface? The bug report email stuff doesn't work very well on Windows, I had to generate it to a file, and then send the file (or something weird, it has been 3 years since I reported it first, and I've maybe forgotten the details). Where is the best way to send the bug report? That way didn't seem to produce much response, and certainly not a response that I can monitor for status in any way and the problem still exists 3 years later. Pretty sad. What is the emacs-help and how does one post on it? Is that a newsgroup, an emacs feature, or a web site, or something else? http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/ Andreas ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] python-mode.el 6.0 released
On 7/23/2011 11:34 PM, Andreas Röhler wrote: Please write a bug report. Also posting on the emacs-help might be useful. Thanks for your suggestions here, I know it is out of scope for python-mode. But reporting the bug in emacs 3 years ago, and the deficiencies of that process from a user perspective, do not encourage following the process again... Please take in consideration the tremendous work the Emacs core-developers are delivering. Have a look at what you get from it and ask where it's coming from. From my perspective these people deserve our assistance and patience likewise. Sure, it's a great program. I've been using it for at least 20 years! Unicode didn't exist back then. This is the first time they've delivered a new feature that doesn't work... sadly. But I can understand that converting a program that didn't use Unicode, to use Unicode, is a huge effort. On the other hand, there are lots of bug trackers floating around, and the process I found in the documentation is severely brain-damaged on Windows but... reading on I was hoping there might be some other interface to the process that I overlooked, or which augments the process whose documentation I was able to find, and, with great effort, follow. So, I did write a bug report email for this exact issue, for emacs 23.1, 3 years ago. But I have no way to check its status. http://debbugs.gnu.org/ This looks promising :) I don't need to learn why I didn't find it from reading the docs, I guess. On the other hand, maybe it is new, since I last looked. Seems it is still all email based, and no obvious way to add status to the bug via this interface... maybe via email? Anyway, the problem with not opening files containing particular characters in their names is reported, and open, so perhaps someday that will get fixed. The problem with packet is invalid I cannot find record of in the bug tracker, but ... Is there a different interface? The bug report email stuff doesn't work very well on Windows, I had to generate it to a file, and then send the file (or something weird, it has been 3 years since I reported it first, and I've maybe forgotten the details). Where is the best way to send the bug report? That way didn't seem to produce much response, and certainly not a response that I can monitor for status in any way and the problem still exists 3 years later. Pretty sad. What is the emacs-help and how does one post on it? Is that a newsgroup, an emacs feature, or a web site, or something else? http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/ It is findable here, as thread: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2009-08/msg00720.html Andreas Anyway, thanks for you help locating the bug tracker, such as it is. Happily, I don't actually edit huge numbers of files containing accented characters in their names or contents, at least, not the ones that emacs doesn't properly handle. But it is surely painful when I do... and even more painful when I try to do it with emacs 23.x. ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
[Python-mode] python-mode.el 6.0 released
Hi all, proudly announcing the release of python-mode.el 6.0 at http://launchpad.net/python-mode/trunk/6.0/+download/python-mode-6.0.tgz It comes with some new commands, as shown below for `mark': py-mark-statement py-mark-block py-mark-block-or-clause py-mark-def py-mark-def-or-class py-mark-class py-mark-clause Resp. delete, copy, jump to beginning and end of python-programming-expressions. Also a couple of bugfixes are done based on a new core. Thanks to Barry and all assisting. Please file bug-reports at https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-mode Maybe have a look at next Milestone 6.0.1 https://launchpad.net/python-mode/+milestone/6.0.1 outlining intended developing. Cheers, Andreas -- https://launchpad.net/python-mode https://launchpad.net/s-x-emacs-werkstatt/ ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] python-mode.el 6.0 released
On 7/23/2011 9:48 AM, Andreas Röhler wrote: Hi all, proudly announcing the release of python-mode.el 6.0 at http://launchpad.net/python-mode/trunk/6.0/+download/python-mode-6.0.tgz Installation instructions? Seems like the prior python-mode was just a single file, so pretty straightforward, unpack to d:\somewhere, and then in the emacs rc: (add-to-list 'load-path d:/somewhere) (autoload 'python-mode python-mode Python Mode. t) The new one has lots of files, not sure what to do with them... anyway, did the same as above, and get the following error: Error in menu-bar-update-hook: (void-function region-active-p) Gnu Emacs 22.1.1 here. I'd upgrade to a newer Emacs, but last time I tried, the better Unicode support was actually worse. (Trying to open files with Unicode names, and trying to paste in Unicode text from AutoHotKey.) ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] python-mode.el 6.0 released
Am 23.07.2011 20:30, schrieb Glenn Linderman: On 7/23/2011 9:48 AM, Andreas Röhler wrote: Hi all, proudly announcing the release of python-mode.el 6.0 at http://launchpad.net/python-mode/trunk/6.0/+download/python-mode-6.0.tgz Installation instructions? nothing changed in this respect. python-mode.el should work stand-alone as the previous one. Seems like the prior python-mode was just a single file, so pretty straightforward, unpack to d:\somewhere, and then in the emacs rc: (add-to-list 'load-path d:/somewhere) (autoload 'python-mode python-mode Python Mode. t) make sure python-mode.el is earlier in path than python.el there are some known hassles, because both modes calling them python-mode The new one has lots of files, not sure what to do with them... have a look into the README anyway, did the same as above, and get the following error: Error in menu-bar-update-hook: (void-function region-active-p) thanks, will fix this for the moment please use: (unless (featurep 'xemacs) (defun region-active-p () and mark-active transient-mark-mode (not (eq (region-beginning) (region-end) (and mark-active transient-mark-mode (not (eq (condition-case nil (region-beginning)(error nil)) Gnu Emacs 22.1.1 here. I'd upgrade to a newer Emacs, but last time I tried, the better Unicode support was actually worse. (Trying to open files with Unicode names, and trying to paste in Unicode text from AutoHotKey.) Doesn't meet my experience. We are on Emacs23.3 which is the best Emacs ever IMHO. Andreas ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] python-mode.el 6.0 released
On Jul 23, 2011 12:49 PM, Andreas Röhler andreas.roeh...@online.de wrote: Hi all, proudly announcing the release of python-mode.el 6.0 at http://launchpad.net/python-mode/trunk/6.0/+download/python-mode-6.0.tgz Congratulations, thanks to all the developers for giving us a new python-mode version Regards, ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] python-mode.el 6.0 released
Seems like the prior python-mode was just a single file, so pretty straightforward, unpack to d:\somewhere, and then in the emacs rc: (add-to-list 'load-path d:/somewhere) (autoload 'python-mode python-mode Python Mode. t) make sure python-mode.el is earlier in path than python.el Does add-to-list do that? Good question. M-x describe-variable RET load-path should tell you. As for the issues with python.el think the simplest solution in question is to load it directly. (load MYPATH/python-mode.el) Or do I need something else? python-mode.el should not need anything else. [ ... ] Doesn't meet my experience. We are on Emacs23.3 which is the best Emacs ever IMHO. Glad it is working for you, but it isn't for me. I offer the following description of the problem, but of course it is not a problem with python-mode. But it will serve to explain why my attempts to use 23.1 some time back and 23.3 today, have failed. None of Emacs 22.1.1 through 23.3 will open files on Windows containing certain characters in their names, partly because the name can't be typed properly, but it doesn't even work to drag files with those names into emacs. Probably an issue that is specific to Windows. Those same characters produce some weird error packet is undefined when certain characters are pasted into Emacs by Autohotkey, using at least 23.1-23.3. 22.1.1 doesn't produce the packet error, so is friendlier to those characters. Probably another issue that is unique to Windows and/or AutoHotKey interaction. I've tried reporting the packet error, and eventually someone responded to the email, but I never figured out a way to check on the status of a ticket, or figure out when or if it will be included in a production version of emacs. As I use AutoHotKey macros to generate non-ASCII symbols using an English keyboard, it is critical to my ability to use Unicode characters, and not being able to enter them using emacs makes such versions of emacs useless to me. I have never learned Emacs lisp, which is usually not a major problem in simply using Emacs, and I can copy/paste helpful tricks from various web sites for customization. But this is beyond my capabilities to analyze, so I may be stuck on emacs 22.1.1 until someone can fix the problem or until I have to give up emacs because 22.1.1 no longer works on some future version of Windows. Please write a bug report. Also posting on the emacs-help might be useful. Andreas ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
Re: [Python-mode] python-mode.el 6.0 released
On 7/23/2011 1:23 PM, Andreas Röhler wrote: Seems like the prior python-mode was just a single file, so pretty straightforward, unpack to d:\somewhere, and then in the emacs rc: (add-to-list 'load-path d:/somewhere) (autoload 'python-mode python-mode Python Mode. t) make sure python-mode.el is earlier in path than python.el Does add-to-list do that? Good question. M-x describe-variable RET load-path should tell you. As for the issues with python.el think the simplest solution in question is to load it directly. (load MYPATH/python-mode.el) Or do I need something else? python-mode.el should not need anything else. Thanks. Seems add-to-list puts it in the front. Guess there is no harm in having the rest sit there unused... [ ... ] Doesn't meet my experience. We are on Emacs23.3 which is the best Emacs ever IMHO. Glad it is working for you, but it isn't for me. I offer the following description of the problem, but of course it is not a problem with python-mode. But it will serve to explain why my attempts to use 23.1 some time back and 23.3 today, have failed. None of Emacs 22.1.1 through 23.3 will open files on Windows containing certain characters in their names, partly because the name can't be typed properly, but it doesn't even work to drag files with those names into emacs. Probably an issue that is specific to Windows. Those same characters produce some weird error packet is undefined when certain characters are pasted into Emacs by Autohotkey, using at least 23.1-23.3. 22.1.1 doesn't produce the packet error, so is friendlier to those characters. Probably another issue that is unique to Windows and/or AutoHotKey interaction. I've tried reporting the packet error, and eventually someone responded to the email, but I never figured out a way to check on the status of a ticket, or figure out when or if it will be included in a production version of emacs. As I use AutoHotKey macros to generate non-ASCII symbols using an English keyboard, it is critical to my ability to use Unicode characters, and not being able to enter them using emacs makes such versions of emacs useless to me. I have never learned Emacs lisp, which is usually not a major problem in simply using Emacs, and I can copy/paste helpful tricks from various web sites for customization. But this is beyond my capabilities to analyze, so I may be stuck on emacs 22.1.1 until someone can fix the problem or until I have to give up emacs because 22.1.1 no longer works on some future version of Windows. Please write a bug report. Also posting on the emacs-help might be useful. Thanks for your suggestions here, I know it is out of scope for python-mode. But reporting the bug in emacs 3 years ago, and the deficiencies of that process from a user perspective, do not encourage following the process again... I was hoping there might be some other interface to the process that I overlooked, or which augments the process whose documentation I was able to find, and, with great effort, follow. So, I did write a bug report email for this exact issue, for emacs 23.1, 3 years ago. But I have no way to check its status. Is there a different interface? The bug report email stuff doesn't work very well on Windows, I had to generate it to a file, and then send the file (or something weird, it has been 3 years since I reported it first, and I've maybe forgotten the details). Where is the best way to send the bug report? That way didn't seem to produce much response, and certainly not a response that I can monitor for status in any way and the problem still exists 3 years later. Pretty sad. What is the emacs-help and how does one post on it? Is that a newsgroup, an emacs feature, or a web site, or something else? I did spend some time today upgrading my AutoHotKey to the latest version, but it produces the same effect in emacs 23.3 as the 3-year-old version I was using had produced in emacs 23.1 when I tested it... packet is undefined. But that packet seems to work for every other program I use the AutoHotKey features with... so it (still) seems more likely to be an Emacs issue than an AutoHotKey issue. Andreas ___ Python-mode mailing list Python-mode@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-mode
