Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app = newbie path confusion

2006-04-18 Thread Daniel Lord
On Apr 18, 2006, at 22:05, Jim Tittsler wrote: BICUBIC = 3  ###Image module broke? so define it's constant here BICUBIC = Image.BICUBIC (And it's "its."  :-)  But you should find out why your PIL is broken. Hey, I am  taking a break an a little so I'll 'nit pick' English:It isn't actually clear (t

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app = newbie path confusion

2006-04-18 Thread Jim Tittsler
On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:27, corporate user wrote: > On Apr 18, 2006, at 8:44 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: >> >> Print the paths and make sure they are what you expect them to be. >> Without seeing the script there's little else I can tell you. > > Very simple beginner script. Not sure why it doesn't wri

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app = newbie path confusion

2006-04-18 Thread corporate user
On Apr 18, 2006, at 8:44 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: > > Print the paths and make sure they are what you expect them to be. > Without seeing the script there's little else I can tell you. > Thanks, didn't know if stupid newbie noise is acceptable here. Very simple beginner script. Not sure why it

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD...Long Live Python on the Mac

2006-04-18 Thread Daniel Lord
On Apr 18, 2006, at 16:46, Terry Jones wrote: > | In my opinion, the problem is the term "MacPython". Python is > Python, > | period, and we should just call it that, even if it's running on > the Mac > | platform. Perhaps this was different in the pre-OSX days, but > not now. > > Make th

[Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-18 Thread Bill Janssen
Just looking at the docs, I'm trying to figure out what's good and what's bad. 1) We should no longer point people to Jack's site, we point them to the python.org Mac download page instead. 2) references to PythonIDE and PackageManager should go. 3) What about the following: 2. MacPy

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython -- some disappointment using it.

2006-04-18 Thread Alex Tweedly
Louis Pecora wrote: >Christopher Barker wrote: > > >>Louis Pecora wrote: >> >> >>>I really do numerical calcs, but occasionally need a simple GUI >>>dialog or open a window to plot in (very simple) >>> >>> >>Take a look at wxmpl. It helps you embed a matplotlib window in a >>wxPython

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD

2006-04-18 Thread Terry Jones
| In my opinion, the problem is the term "MacPython". Python is Python, | period, and we should just call it that, even if it's running on the Mac | platform. Perhaps this was different in the pre-OSX days, but not now. Make that 4 cents on dropping the "Mac". The MacPython name is, to my ears,

[Pythonmac-SIG] fixing the Mac documentation

2006-04-18 Thread Bill Janssen
Fred, I'd like to fix the Mac documentation. I believe I need checkin rights to the python/trunk/Doc svn subdirectory to do that. Is that right? Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pytho

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD

2006-04-18 Thread Bill Janssen
> To give my 2 cents... > It doesn't really matter about a logo, icon, or universal build. If > there is no recent info on the OFFICIAL python.org linked web pages, > most new users will think it's become defunct, and look no further. Apparently this guy got past the main python.org page, with

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD

2006-04-18 Thread Charlie Moad
On 4/18/06, kernel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 18 Apr 2006, at 21:59, Advertising Department wrote: > > > (I'm totally confused about the nine versions of python for Mac OS X, > > the defunct or just not updated for 2 years MacPython pages, the > > current state of the macintosh specific librar

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD

2006-04-18 Thread Charles Hartman
It seems to me that it would be a good idea to UNLINK this site (http://homepages.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython/) -- remove all links to it from pythonmac.org, to begin with. In fact, I'd call it urgent. Charles Hartman On Apr 18, 2006, at 4:59 PM, Advertising Department wrote: > (I'm totally con

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD

2006-04-18 Thread Bill Janssen
Advertising Department, In my opinion, the problem is the term "MacPython". Python is Python, period, and we should just call it that, even if it's running on the Mac platform. Perhaps this was different in the pre-OSX days, but not now. I'd be happy to go though all the pages on python.org and

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] talking points, Pythonismus

2006-04-18 Thread Charles Hartman
On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Christopher Barker wrote:Does that help? It does. Thanks -- and also to others who answered my request for ammo, in case I get to engage on the Python side. I don't think my CompSci is going to listen to a Prof of English, and I can't push too hard; but it's good to be

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-18 Thread Bill Janssen
> Yeah, I've seen the new python logo. There was discussion of > "macifying" it. If the suggestion is to just leave the logo as-is, > here's an [example][1] of what the icon could look like. There's the flat logo, but the logo I was pointing to was a version that's shaded a bit to look slightl

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD

2006-04-18 Thread kernel
On 18 Apr 2006, at 21:59, Advertising Department wrote: > (I'm totally confused about the nine versions of python for Mac OS X, > the defunct or just not updated for 2 years MacPython pages, the > current state of the macintosh specific library modules, etc.) > > To give my 2 cents... > It doesn't

[Pythonmac-SIG] py2app = newbie path confusion

2006-04-18 Thread corporate user
Is this the right place to be asking stupid newbie questions about Mac OS X python issues? Most of the discussions here are way over my head. I have a python script that does not work after being transformed by py2app or py2applet. (it was originally written in macPython 2.33, Mac OS 9 and

[Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD

2006-04-18 Thread Advertising Department
(I'm totally confused about the nine versions of python for Mac OS X, the defunct or just not updated for 2 years MacPython pages, the current state of the macintosh specific library modules, etc.) To give my 2 cents... It doesn't really matter about a logo, icon, or universal build. If ther

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] talking points, Pythonismus

2006-04-18 Thread kernel
On 18 Apr 2006, at 22:14, Christopher Barker wrote: > 1) A lot of people can benefit from knowing how to do some programming > that are not ever going to be computer scientists or professional > programmers: Python gives them a very useful tool for a wide variety of > programming needs, without t

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Someone had PIL trouble on i386 10.4.6 Python 2.4 IIRC--I succeeded this evening

2006-04-18 Thread Daniel Lord
Chris, I will do that but as it stands, one has to build this on the system it is going to run on, i.e. i386. I assume, but haven't gotten around to trying to build this on my PPC system since there is a valid build for that already. First, I am going to create a package for this for i386-base

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Someone had PIL trouble on i386 10.4.6 Python 2.4 IIRC--I succeeded this evening

2006-04-18 Thread Christopher Barker
Kevin Walzer wrote: > Is a universal package of Tcl/Tk (for Tkinter apps) something that > others would find useful? Isn't it part of the new Universal build? If not, then yes, please do contribute it. -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Psycho & 2.4.3 universal

2006-04-18 Thread Jacob Rus
I wrote: > I couldn't compile [psyco][1] using the 2.4.3 universal version of > Python on my 12" powerbook. I'm wondering if this is just a problem > with universal Python, or if psycho doesn't compile in general under OS X. Argh, never mind that message. I see now that psyco is clearly labele

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython -- some disappointment using it.

2006-04-18 Thread Louis Pecora
Christopher Barker wrote: > Louis Pecora wrote: >> I really do numerical calcs, but occasionally need a simple GUI >> dialog or open a window to plot in (very simple) > > Take a look at wxmpl. It helps you embed a matplotlib window in a > wxPython app. It's pretty handy, once you get the hang of

[Pythonmac-SIG] Psycho & 2.4.3 universal

2006-04-18 Thread Jacob Rus
Hi, I couldn't compile [psyco][1] using the 2.4.3 universal version of Python on my 12" powerbook. I'm wondering if this is just a problem with universal Python, or if psycho doesn't compile in general under OS X. Thanks for any help, -Jacob [1]: http://psyco.sourceforge.net/ Here's what the

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] readline: where and how installed?

2006-04-18 Thread Christopher Barker
Ronald Oussoren wrote: > On 13-apr-2006, at 18:47, Zachary Pincus wrote: >> Also, a related query: Is there somewhere in the Python Framework >> structure that is appropriate for placing dynamic libraries that >> Python would link to? > I don't see what this would buy us. It is possible to do

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] talking points, Pythonismus

2006-04-18 Thread Christopher Barker
Charles Hartman wrote: >> Actually, I am using Matlab, which is dynamically typed as well, in >> some of my courses and I know it works well until types become >> important. Matlab is a far cry from Python, as a programing language. Indeed, until recent versions, it was not the least bit dynami

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython -- some disappointment using it.

2006-04-18 Thread Christopher Barker
Louis Pecora wrote: > I really do numerical calcs, but occasionally > need a simple GUI dialog or open a window to plot in (very simple) Take a look at wxmpl. It helps you embed a matplotlib window in a wxPython app. It's pretty handy, once you get the hang of wxPython. Also, depending on what

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] 2.3 vs 2.4

2006-04-18 Thread Christopher Barker
Robertson Holt wrote: > and got confused by this paragraph on the MacPython site, NOT python.org We've GOT to get that site updated! Is Jack around? -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer NOAA/OR&R/HAZMAT (206) 526-6959 v

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-18 Thread Jacob Rus
>> If someone comes up with a finished "badge" (or even a good explanation > > If you look in http://doxdesk.com/img/software/py/icons2.zip, you'll > find a file called baselogo.svg. In the lower left corner of that > figure, you'll find a shaded two-intertwined-snakes badge that is the > new Py

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Someone had PIL trouble on i386 10.4.6 Python 2.4 IIRC--I succeeded this evening

2006-04-18 Thread Kevin Walzer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christopher Barker wrote: > Daniel, > > It would be great if you could post this summary to: > > http://pythonmac.org/wiki/UniversalPackages > > thanks, -Chris > > > Is a universal package of Tcl/Tk (for Tkinter apps) something that others would

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Someone had PIL trouble on i386 10.4.6 Python 2.4 IIRC--I succeeded this evening

2006-04-18 Thread Christopher Barker
Daniel, It would be great if you could post this summary to: http://pythonmac.org/wiki/UniversalPackages thanks, -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer NOAA/OR&R/HAZMAT (206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 5

[Pythonmac-SIG] py2app includes all python documentation in the app

2006-04-18 Thread Frank Niessink
Hi all, I'm bundling an app with py2app. Somehow, py2app is including *all* python documentation. There are numerous messages by py2app like this one while building the app: copying /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/Resources/English.lpro j/Documentation/acks.html -> /Users/fr

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] read content from latin-1 file, write it to ut8 file

2006-04-18 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2006-04-18 um 10:27 schrieb Piet van Oostrum: >> FH> my problem is, that when I open "newtest.txt" in Textwrangler >> again, >> FH> Textwrangler recognizes the file as "MacRoman" encoded and the >> content is >> FH> garbled. > > Then that is Textwrangler's fault. Interpreting a utf-8 file as

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-18 Thread Bill Janssen
> If someone comes up with a finished "badge" (or even a good explanation If you look in http://doxdesk.com/img/software/py/icons2.zip, you'll find a file called baselogo.svg. In the lower left corner of that figure, you'll find a shaded two-intertwined-snakes badge that is the new Python site l

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Garbage Collection with Carbon

2006-04-18 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 18-apr-2006, at 18:28, Brian Ray wrote: > Hi Python Mac People: > > > When I run the following: > > ### > import sys,os > import Carbon.File > import Carbon.CF > > def fileurl(posix): > fileref = Carbon.File.FSRef(posix) > cfurl = Carbon.CF.CFURLCreateFromFSRef(fileref) > fil

[Pythonmac-SIG] Garbage Collection with Carbon

2006-04-18 Thread Brian Ray
Hi Python Mac People: When I run the following: ### import sys,os import Carbon.File import Carbon.CF def fileurl(posix): fileref = Carbon.File.FSRef(posix) cfurl = Carbon.CF.CFURLCreateFromFSRef(fileref) filestr = cfurl.CFURLGetString() return filestr.CFStringGe

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] bin and version

2006-04-18 Thread Christopher Barker
Saggau wrote: > You can show all hidden files in the finder, too. > > defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles -bool TRUE Or you can use a utility called "tinker Tool" if you google it, you should find it. It's very handy. Does anyone know if it's possible to show some hidden files, bu

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-18 Thread Jacob Rus
Hi all, has wrote: > Indeed. The Python logo is just a badge to be applied to the larger > graphic(s)as necessary, in this case a family of four(?) OS X icons > representing an interactive Python editor (IDLE), .py document file, > .pyc/.pyo document file, and drag-n-drop script runner. The vi

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] read content from latin-1 file, write it to ut8 file

2006-04-18 Thread Piet van Oostrum
> "frank h." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (FH) wrote: >FH> Hello, >FH> I am using Mac Python 2.4.1 on Mac OS X 10.4 and I cannot seem to be able >to >FH> read from a latin-1 file and then write to a UTF8 file correctly >FH> Using Textwrangler on OS X, I create a latin-1 file with some special >FH> ch