Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 20-apr-2006, at 6:16, Brendan Simons wrote: > > On 19-Apr-06, at 8:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Christopher Barker wrote: >> > They look great, but what the heck is "DATA"? >> >> It was has's [idea][1] for what a .pyo/.pyc icons should look >> like, similar to how script editor allow

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 20-apr-2006, at 0:30, Jacob Rus wrote: > Ok, what do you all think of these script and compiled script icons: > > PNG: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/python-icons-a1.png > ZIP: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/python-icons-a1.zip > > The zip file contains icns files, png files, and als

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Someone had PIL trouble on i386 10.4.6 Python 2.4 IIRC--I succeeded this evening

2006-04-19 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 20-apr-2006, at 0:53, Christopher Barker wrote: > Bob Ippolito wrote: >> The libs should all be statically linked to the extensions, they >> shouldn't be separate in the installer. > > Ronald Oussoren wrote: >> I'd prefer to have fully self contained packages, and preferably >> eggs at that. H

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Jacob Rus
Hi again, So that others can more easily play with these icons, here are the Photoshop versions of the full-size glassy [logo][1], and the [document icons][2]. All the layers are included, so it should be pretty easy to tweak the highlights, etc. I probably won't have any more time to work o

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Nicholas Riley
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 01:40:00AM -0400, Jacob Rus wrote: > Easy enough: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/pyc-icon-variations.png > > Which do you prefer? I'd say "PYC", because although it isn't a word, the icon does a better job of connoting the file contents than any of the other words, an

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel Lord
On Apr 19, 2006, at 22:47, Jacob Rus wrote:Brendan Simons wrote: I like it, but Aqua has tuned down a lot its glassiness in recent  years.   I would tone down the difference between highlights and shadows  myself, but I'm not going to argue about it :) You're probably right, but make sure you look

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Jacob Rus
Brendan Simons wrote: > I like it, but Aqua has tuned down a lot its glassiness in recent > years. I would tone down the difference between highlights and shadows > myself, but I'm not going to argue about it :) You're probably right, but make sure you look at the actual icon files (in the zi

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Unintsaller for Universal

2006-04-19 Thread kevin parks
thank you bob you rock! \m/ (>.<) \m/ this totally works ... (for anyone else needing to dumb down to 2.4.1) cheers all... -kp-- On Apr 20, 2006, at 1:02 AM, Bob Ippolito wrote: > > On Apr 19, 2006, at 7:55 PM, kevin parks wrote: > >> How do i uninstall 2.4.3? >> so that i can dial back to

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Jacob Rus
Christopher Barker wrote: > Jacob Rus wrote: >> Christopher Barker wrote: >> > They look great, but what the heck is "DATA"? >> It was has's [idea][1] for what a .pyo/.pyc icons should look like, >> similar to how script editor allows saving of plain text .applescript >> files with an icon label

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel Lord
On Apr 19, 2006, at 21:41, Christopher Barker wrote: > Well, a script is text, but a .pyc file is not Data. Maybe "bytecode", > which is too long, or "bytes" or "code" or ".pyc" or ??? I think it should be an Apple with a bite out of it--get it? Apple, snake, apple, byte . I kill myself ;-) Ok

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Christopher Barker
Jacob Rus wrote: > Christopher Barker wrote: > > They look great, but what the heck is "DATA"? > > It was has's [idea][1] for what a .pyo/.pyc icons should look like, > similar to how script editor allows saving of plain text .applescript > files with an icon labeled "TEXT". Well, a script is

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Someone had PIL trouble on i386 10.4.6 Python 2.4 IIRC--I succeeded this evening

2006-04-19 Thread Christopher Barker
Daniel Lord wrote: > That sound reasonable, but not what I did--I installed them in /usr/ > local/lib & include. I've done that, but the only way I could make sure that they got statically linked was to make sure that there were not dynamic versions of the same libs anywhere else on the search

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Brendan Simons
On 20-Apr-06, at 12:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: Jacob Rus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: April 19, 2006 10:06:34 PM EDT (CA) To: pythonmac-sig@python.org Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup Bill Janssen wrote: No, I disagree.  If there is any text, it should be in dark gra

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Brendan Simons
On 19-Apr-06, at 8:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Christopher Barker wrote: > They look great, but what the heck is "DATA"? It was has's [idea][1] for what a .pyo/.pyc icons should look like, similar to how script editor allows saving of plain text .applescript files with an icon labeled "TEXT".

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Brendan Simons
>> Jacob Rus wrote: >> There's the flat logo, but the logo I was pointing to was a version that's shaded a bit to look slightly raised and rounded. >>> Were you looking for something more like [this][1]? >>> [1]: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/Glassy-Icon.png >>> >> The snake lo

[Pythonmac-SIG] Unintsaller for Universal

2006-04-19 Thread kevin parks
Hi... I been happily running 2.4.1 on my mac but i decided to load the universal installer on a different mac (that we plan to use for performance) and use 2.4.3 ... i mean why install and old version right ... uhmm ... anyway 2.4.3 is causing me much acid indigestion and is not playing nice

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Jacob Rus
Bill Janssen wrote: >> No, I disagree. If there is any text, it should be in dark gray 18 >> point Lucida Grande, as per the HIG. XCode uses colored file >> extensions in its document graphics because it deals with many >> different types of source files, and this keeps them >> distinguishable.

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Bill Janssen
> No, I disagree. If there is any text, it should be in dark gray 18 > point Lucida Grande, as per the HIG. XCode uses colored file extensions > in its document graphics because it deals with many different types of > source files, and this keeps them distinguishable. It's not just XCode. *U

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Bill Janssen
I found two articles on creating icons that may provide some info. http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a/866 and http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/a/964. Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonma

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Jacob Rus
Bill Janssen wrote: > It's interesting to look at the icons for TextEdit, in > /Applications/TextEdit.app/Contents/Resources/*.icns. > > And looking at the XCode icons > (/Developer/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Resources/*.icns), it > looks like the "Mac way" of doing code icons (like for .py f

[Pythonmac-SIG] py2app argvemulation bug (or mis-configure) on i386 Python 2.4 on OS X 10.4

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel Lord
I decide to create a droplet from py2app in my copious spare time for a few minutes earlier and I noticed some errors in the Console plus the code is simply printing out all the strings in sys.argv plus, of course given the error, the paths of the files dropped on it never showed up in sys.

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Bill Janssen
Jacob, Looks fine. It's interesting to look at the icons for TextEdit, in /Applications/TextEdit.app/Contents/Resources/*.icns. And looking at the XCode icons (/Developer/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Resources/*.icns), it looks like the "Mac way" of doing code icons (like for .py files) is to

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Dethe Elza
On 4/19/06, Jacob Rus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, what do you all think of these script and compiled script icons: > > PNG: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/python-icons-a1.png > ZIP: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/python-icons-a1.zip > > The zip file contains icns files, png files, an

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Someone had PIL trouble on i386 10.4.6 Python 2.4 IIRC--I succeeded this evening

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel Lord
On Apr 19, 2006, at 15:53, Christopher Barker wrote: > Bob Ippolito wrote: >> The libs should all be statically linked to the extensions, they >> shouldn't be separate in the installer. > > Ronald Oussoren wrote: >> I'd prefer to have fully self contained packages, and preferably >> eggs at that.

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread Bill Janssen
Well, I was planning on fixing the documentation, but apparently the process requires a level of bureaucracy I'm just not willing to go through (though I can see why it might be necessary). I can't just check out the TeX sources and fix them, then check them back in. Instead, I apparently have to

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Jacob Rus
Christopher Barker wrote: > They look great, but what the heck is "DATA"? It was has's [idea][1] for what a .pyo/.pyc icons should look like, similar to how script editor allows saving of plain text .applescript files with an icon labeled "TEXT". [1]: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pythonmac

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Paul Berkowitz
On 4/19/06 1:41 PM, "Jacob Rus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, got it. Well, I've now put more time into this than I wanted to, > but I've got a glassy version of the correct python logo at full size, > [here][4]. Let me know what you all think. If it looks good to > everyone, I can make a .p

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Christopher Barker
Jacob Rus wrote: > Ok, what do you all think of these script and compiled script icons: They look great, but what the heck is "DATA"? -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer NOAA/OR&R/HAZMAT (206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Poi

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Someone had PIL trouble on i386 10.4.6 Python 2.4 IIRC--I succeeded this evening

2006-04-19 Thread Christopher Barker
Bob Ippolito wrote: > The libs should all be statically linked to the extensions, they > shouldn't be separate in the installer. Ronald Oussoren wrote: > I'd prefer to have fully self contained packages, and preferably > eggs at that. Having a shared libary makes it *harder* to independendly > up

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Jacob Rus
Ok, what do you all think of these script and compiled script icons: PNG: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/python-icons-a1.png ZIP: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/python-icons-a1.zip The zip file contains icns files, png files, and also folders with the icons applied. I'm glad to provid

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Saggau
First thing that hit my brain:  "That's IT."  wrote:On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 04:41:59PM -0400, Jacob Rus wrote: > Ok, got it.  Well, I've now put more time into this than I wanted to,> but I've

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Nicholas Riley
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 04:41:59PM -0400, Jacob Rus wrote: > Ok, got it. Well, I've now put more time into this than I wanted to, > but I've got a glassy version of the correct python logo at full size, > [here][4]. Let me know what you all think. If it looks good to > everyone, I can make a

[Pythonmac-SIG] Universal PIL for Python 2.4 on OS X 10.4 needs testing

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel Lord
I tested my Universal PIL installer for Python 2.4 on 10.4 on my MacbookPro but not PPC (my daughters refuse to quit Zoo Tycoon 2 and log off so I can tinker with it ;-) and it seems to work though I don't have a rigorous PIL test suite. The zip file is on my iDisk if anyone wants to give i

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel Lord
On Apr 19, 2006, at 13:41, Jacob Rus wrote:Ok, got it.  Well, I've now put more time into this than I wanted to,  but I've got a glassy version of the correct python logo at full size,  [here][4].  Let me know what you all think.  If it looks good to  everyone, I can make a .py icon like the one li

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 19-apr-2006, at 22:23, has wrote: > Ronald wrote: > >> Macpath deals with OS9/Carbon style paths (Volume:directory:file >> instead of /Volume/directory/file). > > Don't know where you're seeing this; I've tried a few of the > functions and none work with HFS-style paths, only POSIX-style

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Jacob Rus
has wrote: > Jacob Rus wrote: >>> There's the flat logo, but the logo I was pointing to was a version >>> that's shaded a bit to look slightly raised and rounded. >> Were you looking for something more like [this][1]? >> [1]: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/Glassy-Icon.png > > The snake logo y

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Someone had PIL trouble on i386 10.4.6 Python 2.4 IIRC--I succeeded this evening

2006-04-19 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 19-apr-2006, at 22:27, Daniel Lord wrote: > > On Apr 19, 2006, at 13:04, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > >> I'll post the script I'm using to build universal packages this >> weekend. >> I have recipes for the software I'm using and several other. That >> includes >> PIL (including jpeg, tif and fr

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread skip
Ronald> I don't know who will do it, I do know that we won't get very Ronald> far by just talking about it ;-). Pick some part that you Ronald> consider broken and propose how this can be fixed. I do want to Ronald> fix as many bugs as possible for python 2.5, but that won't Ro

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD

2006-04-19 Thread Bill Janssen
NEWS was broken long before the new site. Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD

2006-04-19 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 19-apr-2006, at 22:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Ronald> It is annoying that www.python.org/download/mac doesn't > mention > Ronald> the universal installer. > > It does now. It will take a few minutes for the global build > process to > update the website, but I checked in a m

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 19-apr-2006, at 22:13, Bill Janssen wrote: >> >> On 19-apr-2006, at 18:14, Bill Janssen wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Has. >>> >>> I was hoping someone would go through that list bit-by-bit. >>> >>> I'm still in favor of simply removing outdated and dangerous >>> docs, but >>> perhaps there's some e

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Someone had PIL trouble on i386 10.4.6 Python 2.4 IIRC--I succeeded this evening

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel Lord
On Apr 19, 2006, at 13:04, Ronald Oussoren wrote:I'll post the script I'm using to build universal packages this weekend. I have recipes for the software I'm using and several other. That   includes PIL (including jpeg, tif and freetype support).I'll put mine on my iDisk and send you a link. I'd li

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 19-apr-2006, at 22:11, Kevin Walzer wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ronald Oussoren wrote: > >>> 4.2 Carbon.AH -- Apple Help >>> Do nothing. >> >> Documentation would be nice :-) >> >>> > > I might be able to help here. I've actually used this module in

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD

2006-04-19 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 19-apr-2006, at 22:06, Bill Janssen wrote: >> It is annoying that www.python.org/download/mac doesn't mention the >> universal installer. Could someone please fix that? > > Will do. Should this replace the dual-installer procedure that's > mentioned there? For both 10.3 and 10.4? The univer

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread has
Ronald wrote: >Macpath deals with OS9/Carbon style paths (Volume:directory:file instead of >/Volume/directory/file). Don't know where you're seeing this; I've tried a few of the functions and none work with HFS-style paths, only POSIX-style paths. The documentation describes it as an OS9 impl

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD

2006-04-19 Thread skip
Ronald> It is annoying that www.python.org/download/mac doesn't mention Ronald> the universal installer. It does now. It will take a few minutes for the global build process to update the website, but I checked in a minimal change to Subversion. Skip

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread Bill Janssen
> > On 19-apr-2006, at 18:14, Bill Janssen wrote: > > > Thanks, Has. > > > > I was hoping someone would go through that list bit-by-bit. > > > > I'm still in favor of simply removing outdated and dangerous docs, but > > perhaps there's some effective way of thoroughly marking them as bad, > > ins

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD

2006-04-19 Thread skip
Bill> But the NEWS section of python.org is totally disfunctional. Bill> Months go by without anyone bothering to add anything to it; I Bill> think the trouble is that no one knows what the "add" procedure Bill> is. I tend to agree with you. Given all the recent changes to the sit

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel Lord
On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:52, Ronald Oussoren wrote:       2.1 macpath -- MacOS path manipulation functions Deprecate. Also note that the 2.4.3 documentation now says "It can   be used to manipulate old-style Macintosh pathnames on Mac OS X (or   any other platform)." which is incorrect (it uses POSI

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread Kevin Walzer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ronald Oussoren wrote: >> >>>4.2 Carbon.AH -- Apple Help >> Do nothing. > > Documentation would be nice :-) > >> I might be able to help here. I've actually used this module in non-Python apps (I used to use in Tcl/Tk apps by exec'ing 'pyth

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 19-apr-2006, at 19:33, Jacob Rus wrote: >> There's the flat logo, but the logo I was pointing to was a version >> that's shaded a bit to look slightly raised and rounded. > > Were you looking for something more like [this][1]? That one looks nice. Ronald > > -Jacob > > [1]: http://hcs.harva

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD

2006-04-19 Thread Bill Janssen
> It is annoying that www.python.org/download/mac doesn't mention the > universal installer. Could someone please fix that? Will do. Should this replace the dual-installer procedure that's mentioned there? For both 10.3 and 10.4? Bill ___ Pythonmac-SI

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Someone had PIL trouble on i386 10.4.6 Python 2.4 IIRC--I succeeded this evening

2006-04-19 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 19-apr-2006, at 18:49, Christopher Barker wrote: > Bob Ippolito wrote: >> *ALWAYS* prefer convenience over space. Never make separate >> distributions for i386 and PPC. Simplicity is key. > > Absolutely. > >> I will no longer accept single-architecture packages for >> pythonmac.org/packages

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 19-apr-2006, at 18:14, Bill Janssen wrote: > Thanks, Has. > > I was hoping someone would go through that list bit-by-bit. > > I'm still in favor of simply removing outdated and dangerous docs, but > perhaps there's some effective way of thoroughly marking them as bad, > instead. I'm in favour

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 19-apr-2006, at 15:38, has wrote: > > >>2.1 macpath -- MacOS path manipulation functions > > Deprecate. Also note that the 2.4.3 documentation now says "It can > be used to manipulate old-style Macintosh pathnames on Mac OS X (or > any other platform)." which is incorrect (it uses

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app includes all python documentation in the app

2006-04-19 Thread Frank Niessink
Bob Ippolito: >> >> Apparently, py2app is expecting a i386 python version? Why? How can I >> tell it to expect and use the PPC version? > > I actually don't know, I didn't write those patches. I won't have time > to look into this for at least a week, but you might want to dig into > the source

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel Lord
On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:08, Jacob Rus wrote: >>> [1]: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/Glassy-Icon.png >> >> Much better. In fact a great deal better--its looks worthy of the >> Mac. >> I could even say this is great. But, pushing the envelope a bit if >> you don't think I am being too demand

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread has
Bob Ippolito wrote: [EasyDialogs] >>Didn't see a waste dependency in the module; you sure about that? I've tried >>it and it still seems to be working okay (as well as it ever did, anyway), in >>which case immediate removal is not necessary. I wouldn't be averse to >>deprecating it just on gene

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 19-apr-2006, at 2:23, Bill Janssen wrote: > Just looking at the docs, I'm trying to figure out what's good and > what's bad. > > 1) We should no longer point people to Jack's site, we point them to >the python.org Mac download page instead. Right. > > 2) references to PythonIDE and Packa

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Jacob Rus
>> [1]: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/Glassy-Icon.png > > Much better. In fact a great deal better--its looks worthy of the Mac. > I could even say this is great. But, pushing the envelope a bit if > you don't think I am being too demanding... > Can you 'aqua-fy it' little-- give it that s

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Psycho & 2.4.3 universal

2006-04-19 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 19-apr-2006, at 0:11, Jacob Rus wrote: > I wrote: >> I couldn't compile [psyco][1] using the 2.4.3 universal version of >> Python on my 12" powerbook. I'm wondering if this is just a problem >> with universal Python, or if psycho doesn't compile in general >> under OS X. > > Argh, never min

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD

2006-04-19 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 18-apr-2006, at 22:59, Advertising Department wrote: > (I'm totally confused about the nine versions of python for Mac OS X, > the defunct or just not updated for 2 years MacPython pages, the > current state of the macintosh specific library modules, etc.) > > To give my 2 cents... > It doesn'

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread has
Jacob Rus wrote: > > There's the flat logo, but the logo I was pointing to was a version > > that's shaded a bit to look slightly raised and rounded. > >Were you looking for something more like [this][1]? >[1]: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/Glassy-Icon.png The snake logo you've used there i

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] readline: where and how installed?

2006-04-19 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 18-apr-2006, at 23:48, Christopher Barker wrote: > Ronald Oussoren wrote: >> On 13-apr-2006, at 18:47, Zachary Pincus wrote: >>> Also, a related query: Is there somewhere in the Python Framework >>> structure that is appropriate for placing dynamic libraries that >>> Python would link to? > >>

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app includes all python documentation in the app

2006-04-19 Thread Frank Niessink
Bob Ippolito: > It does just copy Resources. You'll have to use the latest py2app 0.2 > maintenance branch from svn. > > http://svn.red-bean.com/bob/py2app/branches/py2app-0.2-maint/ Thanks Bob, I checked out py2app from the URL given, ran setup.py as instructed. When I run python setup.py p

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel Lord
On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:33, Jacob Rus wrote: >> There's the flat logo, but the logo I was pointing to was a version >> that's shaded a bit to look slightly raised and rounded. > > Were you looking for something more like [this][1]? > > -Jacob > > [1]: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/Glassy-Ico

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread has
Bob Ippolito wrote: >>In addition, all mentions of OS 9 should either be expunged (e.g. the 'using >>Python on Mac OS 9' chapter) or changed to 'not supported' (should they still >>need to be documented for any reason). > >Mac OS 9 is definitely no longer supported at all. The *final* release f

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app = newbie path confusion

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel Lord
On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:03, Zachery Bir wrote: > On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:53 PM, Christopher Barker wrote: > >> corporate user wrote: >>> I'm forming the opinion that >>> "from XXX import *" should be banned from all introduction, tutorial >>> and example materials. >> >> Actually, it should be bann

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread has
Nicholas Riley wrote: > > >2.3 ic -- Access to Internet Config > > > > No idea about this. Anyone else know if this is still working/relevant? > >It is basically deprecated for LaunchServices now. Righto, add it to the 'deprecate' list then. > It would be really good if we could get a d

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-19 Thread Jacob Rus
> There's the flat logo, but the logo I was pointing to was a version > that's shaded a bit to look slightly raised and rounded. Were you looking for something more like [this][1]? -Jacob [1]: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/Glassy-Icon.png ___ Py

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread has
Bill Janssen wrote: >Thanks, Has. > >I was hoping someone would go through that list bit-by-bit. See also NR's post and my reply to it; anything Internet Config-related looks reasonable to add to the 'deprecate' list. Hopefully there'll be a few more yeas/nays on it from other folks; like I say

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel Lord
On Apr 19, 2006, at 9:14, Bill Janssen wrote: > I'm still in favor of simply removing outdated and dangerous docs, but > perhaps there's some effective way of thoroughly marking them as bad, > instead. Put in doc sections entitled Deprecated and Obsolete and do the same for the web and wiki. I

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Someone had PIL trouble on i386 10.4.6 Python 2.4 IIRC--I succeeded this evening

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel Lord
On Apr 19, 2006, at 9:49, Christopher Barker wrote: > My suggestion: > > A ExtraLibs.mpkg, right there with the packages on pythonmac.org that > includes Universal shared libs required by some common packages. They > could perhaps be installed in the Python Framework, so they won't > interfere wit

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app = newbie path confusion

2006-04-19 Thread Zachery Bir
On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:53 PM, Christopher Barker wrote: > corporate user wrote: >> I'm forming the opinion that >> "from XXX import *" should be banned from all introduction, tutorial >> and example materials. > > Actually, it should be banned from virtually ALL user code! But > tutorial > and e

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app = newbie path confusion

2006-04-19 Thread Christopher Barker
corporate user wrote: > I made the assumption that since py2app automagically created an > Apple application without my having to know anything about a bundle > or its structure, that it would also create path emulation as well. I'm not sure that's your problem. I think your problem is really

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app = newbie path confusion

2006-04-19 Thread Christopher Barker
corporate user wrote: > I'm forming the opinion that > "from XXX import *" should be banned from all introduction, tutorial > and example materials. Actually, it should be banned from virtually ALL user code! But tutorial and examples are a start! -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Ocea

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Someone had PIL trouble on i386 10.4.6 Python 2.4 IIRC--I succeeded this evening

2006-04-19 Thread Christopher Barker
Bob Ippolito wrote: > *ALWAYS* prefer convenience over space. Never make separate > distributions for i386 and PPC. Simplicity is key. Absolutely. > I will no longer accept single-architecture packages for > pythonmac.org/packages except under special circumstances However... Right now, we d

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Psycho & 2.4.3 universal

2006-04-19 Thread Christopher Barker
Jacob Rus wrote: > Argh, never mind that message. I see now that psyco is clearly labeled > as only working on i386. Nothing to see here, move along. It'd be nice to know how/if it works on an Intel Mac, however. Anyone? -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread Bill Janssen
Thanks, Has. I was hoping someone would go through that list bit-by-bit. I'm still in favor of simply removing outdated and dangerous docs, but perhaps there's some effective way of thoroughly marking them as bad, instead. Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG mailli

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread Nicholas Riley
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 02:38:22PM +0100, has wrote: > >2.3 ic -- Access to Internet Config > > No idea about this. Anyone else know if this is still working/relevant? It is basically deprecated for LaunchServices now. It would be really good if we could get a decent LaunchServices bindi

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread Bill Janssen
> >4.2 Carbon.AH -- Apple Help > > Do nothing. Much like Apple Help itself :-). Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app = newbie path confusion

2006-04-19 Thread Charles Hartman
I think one frequent reason people fall back on 'from xxx import *' is simply that typing the whole module name over and over gets tedious and makes the code sprawl. I find 'import xxx as yyy' very useful for this, since it can give you a nice short alias, still readable if you're careful about nam

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app = newbie path confusion

2006-04-19 Thread Daniel Lord
On Apr 19, 2006, at 6:38, corporate user wrote: > Many thanks to you Bob. > You're a community treasure. > > >> Also note that the Image module probably isn't broken (don't have >> PIL installed at the moment, can't check). Constants don't >> automagically just insert themselves into your script

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread Nir Soffer
On 19/04/2006, at 03:23, Bill Janssen wrote: > 3) What about the following: > > 2. MacPython Modules > 2.1 macpath -- MacOS path manipulation functions > 2.2 macfs -- Various file system services > 2.2.1 FSSpec Objects > 2.2.2 Alias Objects > 2.2.3 F

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app = newbie path confusion

2006-04-19 Thread Charles Hartman
On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:23 AM, corporate user wrote:Naively, I start with a script in my ~/src folder and I end with an   application in my ~/src folder. Like a typical Apple user, I treat   the bundle as the code itself and don't bother to dwell on its   content or structure. I now understand what

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app = newbie path confusion

2006-04-19 Thread corporate user
Thank you Bob. >> Very simple beginner script. Not sure why it doesn't write files >> after py2appletizing. >> Seems to work just fine from the command line. What am I missing? > > You're missing the fact that the current directory in a py2app- > generated applet is inside the Resources folder

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python is DEAD

2006-04-19 Thread has
Bill Janssen wrote: > In my opinion, the problem is the term "MacPython". Python is Python, > period, and we should just call it that, even if it's running on the Mac > platform. Perhaps this was different in the pre-OSX days, but not now. On OS X I think of the 'MacPython' name more as a way t

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-19 Thread has
Bill Janssen wrote: >1) We should no longer point people to Jack's site, we point them to > the python.org Mac download page instead. Agree. Having links to the old MacPython site in places where folk expect to find up-to-date information doesn't help. Also, if there's somewhere to provide a

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app = newbie path confusion

2006-04-19 Thread corporate user
Many thanks to you Bob. You're a community treasure. > Also note that the Image module probably isn't broken (don't have > PIL installed at the moment, can't check). Constants don't > automagically just insert themselves into your script. You should > be able to reference it with Image.BI

[Pythonmac-SIG] Creating an 'inventory' of PYTHONPATH modules?

2006-04-19 Thread Tom Bridgman
This not be the right list for this but maybe someone can point me in the right direction. Apologies in advance. In my day job, I work in an environment with many (>10) Mac OS X & Linux boxes and python is getting a fair amount of usage. Unfortunately, a number of us have custom installations