Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs and bdist_mpkg and ...

2006-02-01 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 1-feb-2006, at 17:29, Andrew Jaffe wrote: Hi All, On a related note, is there a 'best' way to install python packages on a mac nowadays? It seems that there at least three possibilities: - plain old setup.py install - bdist_mpkg - eggs I've been using bdist_mpkg a lot recently, bu

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs and bdist_mpkg and ...

2006-02-01 Thread Andrew Jaffe
Hi All, On a related note, is there a 'best' way to install python packages on a mac nowadays? It seems that there at least three possibilities: - plain old setup.py install - bdist_mpkg - eggs I've been using bdist_mpkg a lot recently, but this discussion is making me think it may not the

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-24 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Jan 24, 2006, at 11:08 AM, Christopher Barker wrote: > Bob Ippolito wrote: > >> You REALLY should read the docs. > > Of course I should, and I did. I also did my floundering until I > identified the problem before asking for help here. My comment here > was > bringing up the question of how,

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-24 Thread Christopher Barker
Bob Ippolito wrote: > You REALLY should read the docs. Of course I should, and I did. I also did my floundering until I identified the problem before asking for help here. My comment here was bringing up the question of how, on OS-X, we want to recommend people deal with having installed scrip

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-24 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Jan 24, 2006, at 10:27 AM, Christopher Barker wrote: > Christopher Barker wrote: >> I guess I'll just try: 'easy_install matplotlib' and >> see what happens. > > Well, first I had to get setuptools installed. cheeseshop has an egg, > but how do I install that? So I downloaded the zip file, an

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-24 Thread Charlie Moad
> Which said that it worked, but I couldn't find the easy_install script > anywhere. Afer much floundering, I finally figured out that it put it in: > > /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/bin > > which is not on my $PATH. Should it be? or should there be links to > those scripts in /

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-24 Thread Christopher Barker
Christopher Barker wrote: > I guess I'll just try: 'easy_install matplotlib' and > see what happens. Well, first I had to get setuptools installed. cheeseshop has an egg, but how do I install that? So I downloaded the zip file, and in there found that I needed to do: $ python ez_setup.py Whi

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-24 Thread Charlie Moad
> > No, you didn't misinterpret my post, but according to Bob, you could > > easily upload the eggs directly to cheeseshop -- why not do that? > > Because he's not finished testing it, yet? These particular packages are > somewhat complicated and only recently have been eggified. Technically becau

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-24 Thread Robert Kern
Christopher Barker wrote: > No, you didn't misinterpret my post, but according to Bob, you could > easily upload the eggs directly to cheeseshop -- why not do that? Because he's not finished testing it, yet? These particular packages are somewhat complicated and only recently have been eggified.

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-24 Thread Christopher Barker
Charlie Moad wrote: > I just thought I would mention that you don't see the mpl eggs on > cheeseshop for a reason. The download url is set to mpl's sf files > page. Setuptools is smart enough to look at cheeseshop and see the > download url and then find the correct egg from there, hence > 'easy

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-23 Thread Charlie Moad
On 1/23/06, Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 23, 2006, at 6:50 PM, Charlie Moad wrote: > > >>> Yes, the egg itself gets hosted on Cheese Shop, as well as the > >>> source > >>> download (hence the "upload"). > >>> > >>> The packages you often use are not yet using setuptools, > >>

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-23 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Jan 23, 2006, at 6:50 PM, Charlie Moad wrote: >>> Yes, the egg itself gets hosted on Cheese Shop, as well as the >>> source >>> download (hence the "upload"). >>> >>> The packages you often use are not yet using setuptools, >> >> Do you know of a package I can find on cheeseshop that is usin

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-23 Thread Charlie Moad
> > Yes, the egg itself gets hosted on Cheese Shop, as well as the source > > download (hence the "upload"). > > > > The packages you often use are not yet using setuptools, > > Do you know of a package I can find on cheeseshop that is using > setuptools? I'd like to get a sense of what features th

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-23 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Jan 23, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Robert Kern wrote: > Bob Ippolito wrote: > >> Well if they can build an egg, they can upload it to Cheese Shop with >> one command. They probably just haven't invested the five minutes to >> read over the setuptools documentation to see that it has an upload >> featu

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-23 Thread Robert Kern
Bob Ippolito wrote: > Well if they can build an egg, they can upload it to Cheese Shop with > one command. They probably just haven't invested the five minutes to > read over the setuptools documentation to see that it has an upload > feature. *Believe me,* I've spent more than five minute

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-23 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Jan 23, 2006, at 4:35 PM, Christopher Barker wrote: > Bob Ippolito wrote: >> Yes, the egg itself gets hosted on Cheese Shop, as well as the source >> download (hence the "upload"). >> >> The packages you often use are not yet using setuptools, > > Do you know of a package I can find on cheesesh

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-23 Thread Christopher Barker
Bob Ippolito wrote: > Yes, the egg itself gets hosted on Cheese Shop, as well as the source > download (hence the "upload"). > > The packages you often use are not yet using setuptools, Do you know of a package I can find on cheeseshop that is using setuptools? I'd like to get a sense of what

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-23 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Jan 23, 2006, at 2:21 PM, Christopher Barker wrote: > Bob Ippolito wrote: >> Eggs and Cheese Shop already have that problem way solved. >> >> python setup.py register sdist bdist_egg upload -s >> >> That will register your package on Cheese Shop, build the egg and >> source distro, and upload

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-23 Thread Christopher Barker
Bob Ippolito wrote: > Eggs and Cheese Shop already have that problem way solved. > > python setup.py register sdist bdist_egg upload -s > > That will register your package on Cheese Shop, build the egg and > source distro, and upload it to Cheese Shop with GPG signatures. Does the egg itself g

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-23 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Jan 23, 2006, at 9:23 AM, Christopher Barker wrote: > Ronald Oussoren wrote: >> BTW2. This reminds me of the old PackageManager, Jack's plan about it >> was to provide a list of easy-to-install packages that are known >> to work on >> OSX. Much can, and has, been said about the actual imple

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-23 Thread Christopher Barker
Ronald Oussoren wrote: > BTW2. This reminds me of the old PackageManager, Jack's plan about it > was to provide a list of easy-to-install packages that are known to work on > OSX. Much can, and has, been said about the actual implementation, but the > idea > is a good one. Exactly. The pro

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-21 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 20-jan-2006, at 3:04, Bob Ippolito wrote: > > On Jan 19, 2006, at 5:02 PM, Christopher Barker wrote: > >>> There's no good reason to prefer eggs on pythonmac.org. >> >> I don't quite follow. Are you suggesting that we don't put any >> eggs on >> pythonmac? If so, then we do put non-egg packa

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-20 Thread Christopher Barker
Bob Ippolito wrote: > Is there a difference? pkg bundles can contain anything that you can > put on a filesystem plus arbitrary executable code to run at various > points during the installation process, so there's nothing they can't > do from a technical perspective. That was my question.

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-20 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Jan 20, 2006, at 9:20 AM, Christopher Barker wrote: > Bob Ippolito wrote: > >> Not yet. > > Not yet at all? or not yet with bdist_mpkg ? Is there a difference? pkg bundles can contain anything that you can put on a filesystem plus arbitrary executable code to run at various points during

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-20 Thread Christopher Barker
Bob Ippolito wrote: > Not yet. Not yet at all? or not yet with bdist_mpkg ? > We could mine Cheese Shop and list the pure python packages, the > packages that have Mac OS X eggs, and the mpkgs. And put the results on the pythonmac site? I like that. -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. O

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-19 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Jan 19, 2006, at 5:02 PM, Christopher Barker wrote: > Bob Ippolito wrote: > >> I'd like to see eggs used for everything that can be distributed >> as an >> egg... but as Ronald says, mpkgs still have their place for packages >> that need to install Other Stuff, and as a transitional means

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-19 Thread Christopher Barker
Bob Ippolito wrote: > I'd like to see eggs used for everything that can be distributed as an > egg... but as Ronald says, mpkgs still have their place for packages > that need to install Other Stuff, and as a transitional means. Can you put an egg in a mpkg? > There's no good reason to pre

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-19 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Jan 19, 2006, at 11:28 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > On 19-jan-2006, at 19:44, Christopher Barker wrote: > >> Bob Ippolito wrote: >> There are eggs up on Cheese Shop for use with easy_install. >> >> This brings up a question. I think it's a really good idea if we can >> decide, as a community

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-19 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 19-jan-2006, at 19:44, Christopher Barker wrote: > Bob Ippolito wrote: > There are eggs up on Cheese Shop for use with easy_install. > > This brings up a question. I think it's a really good idea if we can > decide, as a community, what the canonical way is to distribute > packages > to the

[Pythonmac-SIG] Mac Python and eggs...

2006-01-19 Thread Christopher Barker
Bob Ippolito wrote: There are eggs up on Cheese Shop for use with easy_install. This brings up a question. I think it's a really good idea if we can decide, as a community, what the canonical way is to distribute packages to the MacPython world. Currently, I think putting a *.mpkg on pythonmac.