On 26-dec-04, at 16:46, has wrote:
I think the biggest problem with setup.py files is that they're
unnecessarily complicated.
Honestly I can't see how you can really complain about setup.py being
"complicated":
I assume Ronald was referring to setup.py in general, rather than to
py2app's setup s
On Dec 26, 2004, at 10:46 AM, has wrote:
Bob Ippolito wrote:
The goal for 0.2.0, which I think has already been achieved (sans
documentation), was to make it better than the alternatives for any
platform.
When do you think we'll start seeing some formal documentation for
py2app?
Write some and I
Bob Ippolito wrote:
Not sure how: both are intended to build applications, and allow
users to configure exactly how they're built. The only thing that
differs is the workflow's order.
One of py2app's goals is to integrate seamlessly with distutils and
to behave similarly to py2exe when it makes
On Dec 23, 2004, at 5:25 PM, Dethe Elza wrote:
With regards to refactoring setup.py files, here is what I've been
using for several different apps. It has evolved as I've found new
requirements.
The only things I have to change from app to app (at this point) are
the bits in ALL_CAPS at the be
With regards to refactoring setup.py files, here is what I've been
using for several different apps. It has evolved as I've found new
requirements.
The only things I have to change from app to app (at this point) are
the bits in ALL_CAPS at the beginning. I've been meaning to factor all
of t
On Dec 23, 2004, at 1:42 PM, has wrote:
Ronald Oussoren wrote:
To give a practical example, let's say I want to write a GUI
interface to py2app.
That's an application with different requirements than py2app,
Not sure how: both are intended to build applications, and allow users
to configure exact
Ronald Oussoren wrote:
First, I'm a little unclear on what exactly Has wants. Could you clarify?
Freedom, basically. I
You obviously don't want it badly enough. Adding an option that will
make the application not include stuff from site-packages is not
much work, the patch is less that 100 line
On 22-dec-04, at 14:29, Bob Ippolito wrote:
anyone or anything else to stand in their way.
You obviously don't want it badly enough. Adding an option that will
make the application not include stuff from site-packages is not much
work, the patch is less that 100 lines (context-diff) and it took
On Dec 22, 2004, at 6:49, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
On 21-dec-2004, at 23:42, has wrote:
Chris Barker wrote:
I originally came down on Has' side of this debate, but now think Bob
has made the right choices, so I thought I'd add a couple comments.
First, I'm a little unclear on what exactly Has wants.
On 21-dec-2004, at 23:42, has wrote:
Chris Barker wrote:
I originally came down on Has' side of this debate, but now think Bob
has made the right choices, so I thought I'd add a couple comments.
First, I'm a little unclear on what exactly Has wants. Could you
clarify?
Freedom, basically. It's
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:20:01 -0500, Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> py2app tries very hard, by default, to make the Python environment
> consistent regardless of what the end user has done to their system.
> This includes stomping on any PYTHONPATH and ignoring any site-packages
> that t
On Dec 21, 2004, at 5:42 PM, has wrote:
Chris Barker wrote:
I originally came down on Has' side of this debate, but now think Bob
has made the right choices, so I thought I'd add a couple comments.
First, I'm a little unclear on what exactly Has wants. Could you
clarify?
Freedom, basically. It's
Chris Barker wrote:
I originally came down on Has' side of this debate, but now think Bob
has made the right choices, so I thought I'd add a couple comments.
First, I'm a little unclear on what exactly Has wants. Could you clarify?
Freedom, basically. It's easier to assemble a workflow by mixing a
On Dec 16, 2004, at 6:29 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
On Dec 16, 2004, at 6:00 PM, has wrote:
On a separate issue, I've noticed the semi-standalone option appears
to be buggy in 0.1.6. When I set it to true, py2app correctly omits
standard modules and extensions from Resources/Python, but is still
in
On Dec 17, 2004, at 3:59 PM, Chris Barker wrote:
I originally came down on Has' side of this debate, but now think Bob
has made the right choices, so I thought I'd add a couple comments.
First, I'm a little unclear on what exactly Has wants. Could you
clarify?
I think he just wants full control
Hi all,
I originally came down on Has' side of this debate, but now think Bob
has made the right choices, so I thought I'd add a couple comments.
First, I'm a little unclear on what exactly Has wants. Could you clarify?
I know what I want, I think what Bob has done accomidates this very well.
If
Bob wrote:
Adding this option causes more problems than it solves.
Such as?
Feel free to do it yourself, either by subclassing py2app (then
using the cmdclass argument to setup(...)), or by writing a patch
against py2app that makes this option available.
Aye well, I'm not really up to digesting
Bob wrote:
Because I don't care about your use case. It's rare and is very
often not what people want.
How rare?
Rare enough that I can't justify writing the code and adding yet
another option.
If you don't need a redistributable application, then use an alias
bundle. If you want a redistrib
On Dec 16, 2004, at 6:00 PM, has wrote:
Bob wrote:
Because I don't care about your use case. It's rare and is very
often not what people want.
How rare?
Rare enough that I can't justify writing the code and adding yet
another option.
If you don't need a redistributable application, then use an
Bob Ippolito wrote:
Rare enough that I can't justify writing the code and adding yet another
option.
That, of course, is your judgment. However, I'm not sure it's a rare as
you think. I, for one, want to be able to distribute apps to folks whose
environment I have control over, so I know that th
On Dec 16, 2004, at 3:07 PM, Chris Barker wrote:
Bob Ippolito wrote:
Rare enough that I can't justify writing the code and adding yet
another option.
That, of course, is your judgment. However, I'm not sure it's a rare
as you think. I, for one, want to be able to distribute apps to folks
whose e
On Dec 16, 2004, at 2:40 PM, has wrote:
Bob wrote:
[py2app] still does the dependency scan for third party python code
and dependent libraries/frameworks. If you want to depend on third
party stuff in site-packages, too bad, you'll have to exclude them
all individually and use --site-packages.
On Dec 16, 2004, at 2:35 PM, Chris Barker wrote:
Bob Ippolito wrote:
The way to tell it to include nothing is to build an alias bundle
(-A), which is for development only and doesn't create something
suitable for redistribution.
Can you tell us more about what an Alias bundle is? Is like the old
Bob wrote:
[py2app] still does the dependency scan for third party python
code and dependent libraries/frameworks. If you want to depend on
third party stuff in site-packages, too bad, you'll have to
exclude them all individually and use --site-packages.
Why?
Because I don't care about your use
Bob Ippolito wrote:
The way to tell it to include nothing is to build an alias bundle (-A),
which is for development only and doesn't create something suitable for
redistribution.
Can you tell us more about what an Alias bundle is? Is like the old
MacPython applet?
What I would like is a bundl
On Dec 16, 2004, at 2:14 PM, has wrote:
Bob wrote:
[py2app] still does the dependency scan for third party python code
and dependent libraries/frameworks. If you want to depend on third
party stuff in site-packages, too bad, you'll have to exclude them
all individually and use --site-packages.
Bob wrote:
[py2app] still does the dependency scan for third party python code
and dependent libraries/frameworks. If you want to depend on third
party stuff in site-packages, too bad, you'll have to exclude them
all individually and use --site-packages.
Why?
has
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On Dec 16, 2004, at 11:47 AM, has wrote:
One for Bob really, but I'm trying to figure out how to build a
non-standalone app using py2app. This was easy (albeit clumsy) with
bundlebuilder - just set both 'standalone' and 'semi-standalone'
options to False. I see a 'semi-standalone' option in py2a
Hi,
One for Bob really, but I'm trying to figure out how to build a
non-standalone app using py2app. This was easy (albeit clumsy) with
bundlebuilder - just set both 'standalone' and 'semi-standalone'
options to False. I see a 'semi-standalone' option in py2app, but
that still includes a big wa
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