Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why Do I Explicitly Need MacPython

2006-10-03 Thread Konrad Hinsen
On Oct 2, 2006, at 21:24, Bob Ippolito wrote: > Using easy_install is quite easy -- you type "easy_install > WhatYouNeed" and press return. That's it. Users currently need some > familiarity with Terminal in order to get anything done with Python > anyway. Not necessarily. I know one person who u

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why Do I Explicitly Need MacPython

2006-10-03 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On Oct 3, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Konrad Hinsen wrote: That said, I have to add that I am not a big fan of setuptools. Last time I checked, they didn't handle installation of C header files in a useful way. Since most of my packages include C header files and depend on other packages' C header file

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why Do I Explicitly Need MacPython

2006-10-03 Thread Charles Hartman
Bob Ippolito said: > Using easy_install is quite easy -- you type "easy_install > WhatYouNeed" and press return. That's it. Users currently need some > familiarity with Terminal in order to get anything done with Python > anyway. But hasn't there been real progress toward making that not true? An

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why Do I Explicitly Need MacPython

2006-10-03 Thread Christopher Barker
Charles Hartman wrote: > Bob Ippolito said: >> Users currently need some familiarity with Terminal in order to get >> anything done with Python anyway. > But hasn't there been real progress toward making that not true? And > isn't that a good thing? Can't Python be an OSX programming > enrivonme

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why Do I Explicitly Need MacPython

2006-10-03 Thread Bob Ippolito
On 10/3/06, Konrad Hinsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Oct 2, 2006, at 21:24, Bob Ippolito wrote: > > > Using easy_install is quite easy -- you type "easy_install > > WhatYouNeed" and press return. That's it. Users currently need some > > familiarity with Terminal in order to get anything done w

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why Do I Explicitly Need MacPython

2006-10-03 Thread Russell E. Owen
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ronald Oussoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Oct 2, 2006, at 9:24 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: > > >> > >> PyObjC, wxPython, Tk, all need to be installed correctly before > >> they can > >> be used. > > On 10.4 Tk is already installed and could be used, it has ap

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why Do I Explicitly Need MacPython

2006-10-03 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On Oct 3, 2006, at 6:24 PM, Christopher Barker wrote: So far, it appears the easiest way to make a package easy to install for a mac user is to make a *.mpgk of it. In fact, I've advocated for years that the best way to make python accessible on all platforms if to have packages in a "n

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why Do I Explicitly Need MacPython

2006-10-03 Thread Russell E. Owen
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bob Ippolito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... > There are options with easy_install to do all of these things. I'm > pretty sure there's an option to download packages without installing > them that people use to download the eggs (e.g. for transfer to > another

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why Do I Explicitly Need MacPython

2006-10-03 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On Oct 3, 2006, at 7:18 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ronald Oussoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 2, 2006, at 9:24 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: PyObjC, wxPython, Tk, all need to be installed correctly before they can be used. On 10.4 Tk is already installed

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Are python extensions compatible between 32 and 64 bit Macs?

2006-10-03 Thread Russell E. Owen
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bob Ippolito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/2/06, Russell E. Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Will C extensions to Python that are built on 64 bit Macs (such as the > > new iMacs) will work on 32 bit Macs, and visa versa? > > Definitely if the universal

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why Do I Explicitly Need MacPython

2006-10-03 Thread Nicholas Riley
On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 07:24:24PM +0200, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > My guess is that it is much more convenient to build a very shallow > wrapper around easy_install, basicly just a window with a textbox > where you can enter an easy_install command-line and larger textview > to show the outpu

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why Do I Explicitly Need MacPython

2006-10-03 Thread Bob Ippolito
On 10/3/06, Christopher Barker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Charles Hartman wrote: > > Bob Ippolito said: > >> Users currently need some familiarity with Terminal in order to get > >> anything done with Python anyway. > > > But hasn't there been real progress toward making that not true? And > > i

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Why Do I Explicitly Need MacPython

2006-10-03 Thread has
Charles Hartman wrote: >> Using easy_install is quite easy -- you type "easy_install >> WhatYouNeed" and press return. That's it. Users currently need some >> familiarity with Terminal in order to get anything done with Python >> anyway. > > But hasn't there been real progress toward making that n