Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: > > On Dec 14, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > > conda also has a non-framework build of Python -- not sure if that would > cause any issues with the wheels. > > > I am not up on all

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

> On Dec 14, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > > conda also has a non-framework build of Python -- not sure if that would > cause any issues with the wheels. I am not up on all the technical specifics, but this suggests to me that Conda would be generally

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: > If we were to add s PyObjC build to conda-forge, the full stack should > "just work". > > And conda forge has s CI system set up to auto build for various python > versions > >

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

> On Dec 13, 2016, at 8:37 AM, Christopher Barker wrote: > > Personally, I have avoided all this mess the last couple years by using conda > (miniconda install). It does a nice job of keeping entirely separate from the > system ( or any other) python, and it can manage

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

Personally, I have avoided all this mess the last couple years by using conda (miniconda install). It does a nice job of keeping entirely separate from the system ( or any other) python, and it can manage non-python libs as well, so you don't need Brew. And it has environments that are like

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

> On 14 Sep 2016, at 00:28, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: > > >> On Sep 13, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Andrew Jaffe > > wrote: >> >> But this is the framework (non-apple!) build!… > > "framework build" refers to the way that Python

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

> On Oct 7, 2016, at 1:36 AM, Andrew Jaffe wrote: > > On 06/10/2016 20:26, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: >>> On Oct 6, 2016, at 2:56 AM, Andrew Jaffe wrote: >>> On 17/09/2016 18:59, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: > On Sep 17, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Ned Deily wrote: > On 2016-09-13

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

> On Oct 6, 2016, at 2:56 AM, Andrew Jaffe wrote: > > On 17/09/2016 18:59, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: >> >>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Ned Deily wrote: >>> >>> On 2016-09-13 19:33, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: > On Sep 13, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Andrew Jaffe

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Andrew Jaffe wrote: > > Not me. If I understand correctly, Glyph -- who undoubtedly understand the > situation better than I do -- still thinks that there's no actual bug here, > since we shouldn't be using the framework build this way, but

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 01:52, Andrew Jaffe wrote: > > That would work, and in fact I don't really need PyObjC (sorry, Ronald!) but > I've got my whole setup working with the "global" python.org > framework build, so I am used to that... and the Sierra

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

> On Sep 17, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Ned Deily wrote: > > On 2016-09-13 19:33, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: >>> On Sep 13, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Andrew Jaffe >> > wrote: >>> >>> Aha! >>> >>> $ ls -lt /Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/ >>>

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:29 AM, Andrew Jaffe wrote: > > On 17/09/2016 18:59, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: >> >>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Ned Deily wrote: >>> >>> On 2016-09-13 19:33, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: > On Sep 13, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Andrew Jaffe

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

> On Sep 13, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Andrew Jaffe wrote: > > But this is the framework (non-apple!) build!… "framework build" refers to the way that Python is built. Apple's python, Python.org's python, and Homebrew's python are all framework builds. So, to be clear: this is

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

> On Sep 13, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Jack Jansen wrote: > > I think > /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages > is a very old location for storing Python packages. Recently things have been > installed in /Library/Python/2.7/site-packages.

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

> On Sep 13, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Andrew Jaffe wrote: > > Aha! > > $ ls -lt /Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/ > total 0 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 157 31 Jul 02:36 Extras.pth* > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 119 31 Jul 02:36 README > $ more

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

> On 25 Oct 2016, at 10:36, Andrew Jaffe wrote: > > On 12/10/2016 21:02, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > > >> On 12 Oct 2016, at 21:09, Glyph Lefkowitz >> > wrote: > >> > >>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Andrew Jaffe

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

On 12/10/2016 21:02, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > >> On 12 Oct 2016, at 21:09, Glyph Lefkowitz > > wrote: >> >>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Andrew Jaffe >> > wrote: >>> >>> Not me. If I

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

On 11/10/2016 22:26, Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:59, Glyph Lefkowitz > wrote: On Sep 17, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Ned Deily > wrote: On 2016-09-13 19:33, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: On

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

On 06/10/2016 20:26, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: On Oct 6, 2016, at 2:56 AM, Andrew Jaffe wrote: On 17/09/2016 18:59, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: On Sep 17, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Ned Deily wrote: On 2016-09-13 19:33, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: On Sep 13, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Andrew Jaffe wrote: $ ls -lt

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

On 17/09/2016 18:59, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: On Sep 17, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Ned Deily wrote: On 2016-09-13 19:33, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: On Sep 13, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Andrew Jaffe > wrote: Aha! $ ls -lt

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

On 20/09/2016 20:54, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: >> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:29 AM, Andrew Jaffe wrote: >> >> On 17/09/2016 18:59, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: >>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Ned Deily wrote: On 2016-09-13 19:33, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote:

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

On 17/09/2016 18:59, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: On Sep 17, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Ned Deily wrote: On 2016-09-13 19:33, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: On Sep 13, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Andrew Jaffe > wrote: Aha! $ ls -lt

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

On 2016-09-13 19:33, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: >> On Sep 13, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Andrew Jaffe > > wrote: >> >> Aha! >> >> $ ls -lt /Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/ >> total 0 >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 157 31 Jul 02:36 Extras.pth* >> -rw-r--r--

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

Hi, > On 13 Sep 2016, at 23:28, Glyph Lefkowitz wrote: > > >> On Sep 13, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Andrew Jaffe wrote: >> >> But this is the framework (non-apple!) build!… > > "framework build" refers to the way that Python is built. Apple's python,

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

OK, I’m still being dense: > On 13 Sep 2016, at 22:56, Jack Jansen wrote: > > It’s hardcoded in the Python executable, I’m afraid:-( > > Just tried “python -s -S -v”, and the Extras/lib/python is still in sys.path. > > That wasn’t a very smart move by the Apple engineers,

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

It’s hardcoded in the Python executable, I’m afraid:-( Just tried “python -s -S -v”, and the Extras/lib/python is still in sys.path. That wasn’t a very smart move by the Apple engineers, I guess…. What you could do (but this is getting rather hacky) is create a

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

Hi, > On 13 Sep 2016, at 22:26, Jack Jansen wrote: > > You’re absolutely right (both on SIP and on > /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework probably being a python.org install), > sorry for the confusion. > > This seems to be due to the way Apple has done the “Extras”

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

You’re absolutely right (both on SIP and on /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework probably being a python.org install), sorry for the confusion. This seems to be due to the way Apple has done the “Extras” directory, and adding things there to sys.path. See for example

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

I think /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages is a very old location for storing Python packages. Recently things have been installed in /Library/Python/2.7/site-packages. Could it be that you’ve installed pyobjc a couple of OSX releases ago? And could

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

Dear Chris and Glyph, > > On Sunday, September 11, 2016, Andrew Jaffe wrote: > Dear Ronald, > > Thanks, as usual, for all this. > > I have upgraded to the GM version of 10.12 on the beta track. I use the > python.org framework builds of python. > > When I do "pip list

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

Dear Ronald, Thanks, as usual, for all this. I have upgraded to the GM version of 10.12 on the beta track. I use the python.org framework builds of python. When I do "pip list --outdated", I get a long list: altgraph (0.10.2) - Latest: 0.12 [sdist] macholib (1.5.1) - Latest: 1.7 [sdist]