Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH] new SDL keyboard shortcuts to start and stop VM

2009-10-27 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
On 10/26/09 17:08, Avi Kivity wrote: A user starts a VM at a physical box. Everythings fine but he wants to return to his workstation so he closes the window. He goes back to his workstation and connects to a VNC server (on a different X server). He wants to now bring up the guest's display.

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH] new SDL keyboard shortcuts to start and stop VM

2009-10-27 Thread Avi Kivity
On 10/27/2009 11:11 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: On 10/26/09 17:08, Avi Kivity wrote: A user starts a VM at a physical box. Everythings fine but he wants to return to his workstation so he closes the window. He goes back to his workstation and connects to a VNC server (on a different X server). He

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH] new SDL keyboard shortcuts to start and stop VM

2009-10-27 Thread Gervase Lam
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:28:15 +0200 From: Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH] new SDL keyboard shortcuts to start and stop VM On 10/27/2009 11:11 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: A qemu gui can easily hide that it actually uses vnc. The only thing needed

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH] new SDL keyboard shortcuts to start and stop VM

2009-10-26 Thread Avi Kivity
On 10/26/2009 03:45 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote: Avi Kivity wrote: On 10/23/2009 03:59 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote: Your answer may be, this is for a developer and they'll be aware of all the short comings/gotchas but this ends up being a rather user-hostile interface. People are never as aware

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH] new SDL keyboard shortcuts to start and stop VM

2009-10-26 Thread Anthony Liguori
Avi Kivity wrote: I'd much rather see a real GUI client, perhaps implemented by scripting QObjects or QMP. I'm with you 100% here. I'd rather see our focus put into a proper gui based on QMP than to tack on features to SDL. Maybe slightly less than 100%. I meant a native GUI in the

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH] new SDL keyboard shortcuts to start and stop VM

2009-10-26 Thread Avi Kivity
On 10/26/2009 05:04 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote: Maybe slightly less than 100%. I meant a native GUI in the same process as qemu, but talking to QObjects through a scripting language. The trouble here is that if you want to support being able to close the gui and open it again without killing

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH] new SDL keyboard shortcuts to start and stop VM

2009-10-26 Thread Anthony Liguori
Avi Kivity wrote: On 10/26/2009 05:04 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote: Maybe slightly less than 100%. I meant a native GUI in the same process as qemu, but talking to QObjects through a scripting language. The trouble here is that if you want to support being able to close the gui and open it

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH] new SDL keyboard shortcuts to start and stop VM

2009-10-26 Thread Avi Kivity
On 10/26/2009 05:49 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote: Many applications minimize to the system tray without needing two processes. Minimizing or hiding the window are different use cases. Now, I'm not 100% convinced this use-case is absolutely required but historically, it's always come up in

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH] new SDL keyboard shortcuts to start and stop VM

2009-10-25 Thread Avi Kivity
On 10/23/2009 03:59 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote: Your answer may be, this is for a developer and they'll be aware of all the short comings/gotchas but this ends up being a rather user-hostile interface. People are never as aware of short comings/gotchas as we'd like them to be. If there was no

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH] new SDL keyboard shortcuts to start and stop VM

2009-10-25 Thread Luiz Capitulino
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:28:33 +0200 Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/23/2009 03:59 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote: Your answer may be, this is for a developer and they'll be aware of all the short comings/gotchas but this ends up being a rather user-hostile interface. People are never

[Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH] new SDL keyboard shortcuts to start and stop VM

2009-10-23 Thread Kevin Wolf
Am 23.10.2009 01:55, schrieb Juan Quintela: Anthony Liguori anth...@codemonkey.ws wrote: Luiz Capitulino wrote: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:40:54 -0500 Anthony Liguori anth...@codemonkey.ws wrote: Luiz Capitulino wrote: Yeah, I agree. When testing migration, for example, I have to

[Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH] new SDL keyboard shortcuts to start and stop VM

2009-10-23 Thread Mulyadi Santosa
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Kevin Wolf kw...@redhat.com wrote: I really hate this You don't need this, I know it better attitude. If it were only for the technical arguments, okay - I can understand that you don't want to add another magic key, and yes, doing it dynamically comes with

[Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH] new SDL keyboard shortcuts to start and stop VM

2009-10-23 Thread Kevin Wolf
Am 23.10.2009 13:23, schrieb Mulyadi Santosa: On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Kevin Wolf kw...@redhat.com wrote: I really hate this You don't need this, I know it better attitude. If it were only for the technical arguments, okay - I can understand that you don't want to add another magic

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH] new SDL keyboard shortcuts to start and stop VM

2009-10-23 Thread Anthony Liguori
Kevin Wolf wrote: Well, the whole point of a keyboard shortcut was for me to make things easier. This is something of a classic debate between providing power users every possible knob and function verses overwhelming non-power users with so many features/options that they cannot even get

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH] new SDL keyboard shortcuts to start and stop VM

2009-10-23 Thread Kevin Wolf
Am 23.10.2009 15:59, schrieb Anthony Liguori: Kevin Wolf wrote: Well, the whole point of a keyboard shortcut was for me to make things easier. This is something of a classic debate between providing power users every possible knob and function verses overwhelming non-power users with so