Re: [Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project'

2013-04-25 Thread Andreas Neumann
Hi, I agree - not a big issue to change the menu from File to Project. It also makes sense to me since all of the subentries in this menu relate to the project - and not to files (like shape files, tiffs, etc.) +1 for leaving the first menu entry as Project. It also helps to clarify for people

Re: [Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project'

2013-04-25 Thread Marco Bernasocchi
On 04/25/2013 09:26 AM, Andreas Neumann wrote: Things in UI design change over time. Nothing is written into stone and users have to accept that and adapt. +1 for me too, I didn't even noticed the name changed. I just went there and clicked. I think the main concern is for new users, but new

Re: [Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project'

2013-04-24 Thread Ramon Andiñach
On 24/04/2013, at 05:55 , Ramon Andiñach wrote: On 24/04/2013, at 04:28 , John C. Tull wrote: Hi all, I was having some discussion on IRC today with Tim and Larry about the recent change to the menu in trunk. Before, the menu used File and that was changed to Project. My position is

Re: [Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project'

2013-04-24 Thread Nathan Woodrow
Ramon, I would agree with those points. In fact I think the menu structure as is doesn't make much sense and the Edit menu should be renamed to Feature/s. What does Edit mean: - Edit Layer - Edit Feature - Edit Project If you look at all the tools in the Edit menu they are all related to

Re: [Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project'

2013-04-24 Thread William Kyngesburye
Well, my original reaction when I saw the File-Project change was that it's very non-standard, and may cause more cofusion than it's worth. Certainly on OS X, maybe on other systems. People know what the File menu means, even if the main object of an application is a project, or video or

Re: [Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project'

2013-04-24 Thread Nathan Woodrow
William, I can understand the concern, it was the same thing that went though my mind when I change the composer menu. In the end most people didn't care, or adapted. There are a lot of applications that don't use a file menu and work quite well, I would say better in fact.

Re: [Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project'

2013-04-24 Thread Antonio Locandro
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Re: [Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project'

2013-04-24 Thread John C. Tull
Hi Nathan, Here are both of your example programs on OS X. You will see that the menu observes the OS X HIGs with a File and Edit menu item in the main menubar of the OS for both of these applications. http://imgur.com/NaxyYMi Adding changes to Edit to the list of desired updates to the GUI

Re: [Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project'

2013-04-24 Thread Larry Shaffer
Oops, links for last post: [0] https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/art/mn_dualtoggleditems.jpg [1] http://drive.dakotacarto.com/qgis/layer_datasource_submenu.png Larry On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Larry Shaffer

Re: [Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project'

2013-04-24 Thread John C. Tull
CC: qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project' Ramon, I would agree with those points. In fact I think the menu structure as is doesn't make much sense and the Edit menu should be renamed to Feature/s. What does Edit mean: - Edit Layer

Re: [Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project'

2013-04-24 Thread John C. Tull
Hi Larry, On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.com wrote: As a separate suggestion: if we wanted to minimize our menus better and prepare for unknown future functionality grouping and expansion, we could create a Tools main menu, which could have Vector, Raster,

Re: [Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project'

2013-04-24 Thread Larry Shaffer
Hi, On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:51 AM, John C. Tull jct...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Antonio, I think it is more about having consistency for the platform than anything else. We want the user to find the application familiar. The death-knell of many an OS X application on review sites is how

Re: [Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project'

2013-04-24 Thread Tim Sutton
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Re: [Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project'

2013-04-24 Thread John C. Tull
Hi Larry, On Apr 24, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.com wrote: Hi, On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:51 AM, John C. Tull jct...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Antonio, I think it is more about having consistency for the platform than anything else. We want the user to find the

Re: [Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project'

2013-04-24 Thread Nathan Woodrow
As much as HIGs are good they are guidelines at best, they are not meant to tell everyone what to do in every case all the time. Apple, MS, etc don't even follow their own HIGs. If I was proposing to change the colour and style of all the whole interface to red with pink borders and use fully

Re: [Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project'

2013-04-24 Thread Ramon Andiñach
On 25/04/2013, at 02:59 , John C. Tull wrote: Hi Larry, On Apr 24, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Larry Shaffer lar...@dakotacarto.com wrote: Hi, On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:51 AM, John C. Tull jct...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Antonio, I think it is more about having consistency for the platform than

[Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project'

2013-04-23 Thread John C. Tull
Hi all, I was having some discussion on IRC today with Tim and Larry about the recent change to the menu in trunk. Before, the menu used File and that was changed to Project. My position is that it does not seem Mac-like, whether or not a QGIS document resides in the filesystem as a .qgs file

Re: [Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project'

2013-04-23 Thread Larry Shaffer
Hi, On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 2:28 PM, John C. Tull jct...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I was having some discussion on IRC today with Tim and Larry about the recent change to the menu in trunk. Before, the menu used File and that was changed to Project. My position is that it does not seem

Re: [Qgis-developer] 'File' versus 'Project'

2013-04-23 Thread Ramon Andiñach
On 24/04/2013, at 04:28 , John C. Tull wrote: Hi all, I was having some discussion on IRC today with Tim and Larry about the recent change to the menu in trunk. Before, the menu used File and that was changed to Project. My position is that it does not seem Mac-like, whether or not a