Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-23 Thread Lene Fischer
I´ve now been using-, bug reporting- and making tutorials for QGIS since 1.7 and I still find it difficult to make stable contributions in several ways: In this tread everyone write ‘more money’ or ‘Work together’ I want to donate time – but find it difficult to find a limited project. As

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-23 Thread Paolo Cavallini
Il 23/07/2014 08:58, Lene Fischer ha scritto: I´ve now been using-, bug reporting- and making tutorials for QGIS since 1.7 and I still find it difficult to make stable contributions in several ways: In this tread everyone write ‘more money’ or ‘Work together’ I want to donate time –

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-23 Thread Otto Dassau
Hi Simon, this sounds like a very good idea to me. At the moment documenters look at the commit logs for a [FEATURE] comment and add it to a wiki list. Then search through all mls, wikis and blogs, if there is some howto available or at a least a short discussion or description about that

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-23 Thread Nathan Woodrow
We could make a script to just pull out everything with [FEATURE] in the commit between a date range if that will help. Maybe we could create stubs in Tims changelog system using something like this. - Nathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Otto Dassau das...@gbd-consult.de wrote: Hi Simon,

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-23 Thread Otto Dassau
Hi Nathan, thanks for the offer, but this is not the problem. After feature freeze we currently do a git log --since=date --grep='FEATURE', that's ok. And Tims changelog is also very helpful and often already fine as a beginning. The result is in the wiki: http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/17/ManualTasks

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-23 Thread Andreas Neumann
I think stubs from github to the visual changelog would be great. Also, it would be great if the visual changelog could some day be hosted under a qgis.org address. The visual changelog is very useful and I always point users to it after a new version was released. It looks a bit strange if the

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-23 Thread Rémi Bovard
+1 2014-07-23 10:18 GMT+02:00 Andreas Neumann a.neum...@carto.net: Also, it would be great if the visual changelog could some day be hosted under a qgis.org address. The visual changelog is very useful and I always point users to it after a new version was released. It looks a bit strange

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-22 Thread Otto Dassau
Hi, I would prefere another solution instead of changing the releases. The documentation team is in the same situation. We are always behind the releases, but the problem I see is that there are not enough people working on the documents. At the moment we were not even able to start updating the

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-22 Thread Régis Haubourg
+1 with Otto, many many trainers do still almost all material from scratch, we loose a lot of good contributors, and we loose money also (as a funder). We started courses last year and pushed the will to have teachers contribute to bugtracking and contribute to open source version of the docs.

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-22 Thread Jonathan Moules
Hi Otto, You make some excellent points. Just to follow on one of them: But usually customers and developers don't think about also spending an additional little amount to document the feature in the QGIS docs and training material. I think that's a QGIS problem. I know when I get quotes for

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-22 Thread Victor Olaya
+1 to what Otto said. Very good point. Those creating training materials should coordinate and help the core QGIS documentation (both the manual and the training manual) improve. The solution is very simple: Require up to date, accurate documentation for all commits of new features. This is

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-22 Thread Alexander Bruy
+ 1 to Otto and Victor. Developers should develop, the can document some aspects of code/feature (and they already do this!) but we can not ask them to write manuals 2014-07-22 13:01 GMT+03:00 Victor Olaya vola...@gmail.com: +1 to what Otto said. Very good point. Those creating training

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-22 Thread Jonathan Moules
Except that self-evidently the current solution doesn't work well. Of the three projects I listed, QGIS has by far the worst documentation; as Otto noted, they've not even started updating for 2.4 yet. Just looking now, not a single one of the QGIS Geoalgorithms that I've ever looked at (which

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-22 Thread Victor Olaya
Just looking now, not a single one of the QGIS Geoalgorithms that I've ever looked at (which are I think is what Victor is referencing) have anything in the help tab. And these are a core part of the software. Yes that's what I mean. But, IMHO, it's better to have that functionality there

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-22 Thread Paolo Cavallini
Il 22/07/2014 12:41, Victor Olaya ha scritto: ... I am not saying that this is ideal, and that developers should not write docs. I am saying that time is limited and, if we put those restrictions, we might end up rejecting a lot of interesting functionality. Sorry for jumping in late. These

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-22 Thread Alexandre Neto
Hi all, On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Otto Dassau das...@gbd-consult.de wrote: a) Trainers could combine their forces and prepair general training materials together that everybody can use and extend. All tools and the document basis is available and provided by QGIS project in the

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-22 Thread Andrew
Is it a common practice for developer to fill feature requests for Documentation and help whenever they create new features? This would still free developers to keep creating good stuff, and help others to keep track of what needs attention in Docs. Using the visual changelog and scrolling

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-21 Thread Kari Salovaara
Hi Lene, Does Your proposal mean that those universities, which start to use QGIS and QGIS based material for education, start to support QGIS development financially and with other resources like man power for testing, fixing etc. ? Cheers,

Re: [Qgis-developer] [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-21 Thread Micha Silver
I also do some short training courses using QGIS, and I fully understand and support Lene's idea. On 21/07/2014 18:35, Lene Fischer wrote: Hi, This is not a mail about bugs or issues on a