Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-07 Thread Nathan Woodrow
Hey all, Both tools are now merged. Here is the ticket http://hub.qgis.org/issues/10824 Regards, Nathan On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Luca Mandolesi mandol...@gmail.com wrote: Oh my gosh, I'd never noticed that! :) Thanks a lot +1 for merge alsa for archaeologist! Sorry! Luca

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-03 Thread Alexandre Neto
If I may... +1 For dropping single point selection button. I think that having too many options\buttons can sometimes be overwhelming for new users, and in this case users won't notice much difference in usage anyway (do we need to decide what to do with the icon). Alexandre Neto On Thu,

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-03 Thread Anita Graser
+1 for the merge. I'm with those arguing that the single select tool does not add anything useful. Best wishes Anita On Jul 3, 2014 11:14 AM, Alexandre Neto senhor.n...@gmail.com wrote: If I may... +1 For dropping single point selection button. I think that having too many options\buttons

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-03 Thread Luca Mandolesi
-1 The voice outside the chorus...for the archaelogist is usefull for selection single little items (ass little bones, etc) with a single click without make a rectangulare small selection that risks to select near objects Best regards Luca 2014-07-03 12:27 GMT+02:00 Anita Graser

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-03 Thread Nathan Woodrow
Luca, It will do that. Single click with rectangle tool will already do this. - Nathan On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Luca Mandolesi mandol...@gmail.com wrote: -1 The voice outside the chorus...for the archaelogist is usefull for selection single little items (ass little bones, etc) with

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-03 Thread Luca Mandolesi
Oh my gosh, I'd never noticed that! :) Thanks a lot +1 for merge alsa for archaeologist! Sorry! Luca 2014-07-03 12:36 GMT+02:00 Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com: Luca, It will do that. Single click with rectangle tool will already do this. - Nathan On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:32 PM,

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-02 Thread Zoltan Szecsei
+1 for leaving both visible options, but defaulting to rectangle. If the underlying code is different, then even at the expense of the extra code required to compute that you have a null-sized rectangle (ie a point click), you might want to use the same code. But, especially for a newbie, it

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-02 Thread Régis Haubourg
Hi, in my user experience, I feel like Nathan: one tool is more intuitive. I'm bothered each time I have to explicitly switch to rectangular selection tool.. Régis -- View this message in context: http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Do-we-need-a-single-select-map-tool-tp5148969p5149145.html

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-02 Thread Nyall Dawson
On 02/07/2014 4:57 pm, Zoltan Szecsei zolt...@geograph.co.za wrote: But, especially for a newbie, it will not be intuitive that by clicking without dragging, the rectangle select will do a point-click select. I'm not so sure about that - the single click to select one item, click and drag to

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-02 Thread Matthias Kuhn
Hi, -1 : but change the default tool Reasons: Users might be used to the select single feature tool and miss it. While it's possible for somebody to get used to new interaction designs it's an effort and it's not where you want to spend your time worrying. Second - and more important - The

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-02 Thread Nathan Woodrow
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Zoltan Szecsei zolt...@geograph.co.za wrote: I feel the developers must always put the user before the code simplification. This because the programmer makes a once-off (big) effort, but there may be millions of users that suffer if the coder simplifies the

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-02 Thread Nathan Woodrow
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Matthias Kuhn matthias.k...@gmx.ch wrote: Users might be used to the select single feature tool and miss it. The tools have the same behavior so it will be no change to how the user does selecting. Most will not even see the change. While it's possible for

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-02 Thread Nyall Dawson
Am 02.07.2014 12:02, schrieb Nathan Woodrow: The tools have the same behavior so it will be no change to how the user does selecting. Most will not even see the change. For the record, I'm changing my vote to a +1 for the merge. If a single click performs a select single polygon action,

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-02 Thread Matthias Kuhn
Hi Nathan On 02.07.2014 12:02, Nathan Woodrow wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Matthias Kuhn matthias.k...@gmx.ch mailto:matthias.k...@gmx.ch wrote: Users might be used to the select single feature tool and miss it. The tools have the same behavior so it will be no change to how

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-02 Thread Zoltan Szecsei
On 2014/07/02 11:57, Nathan Woodrow wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Zoltan Szecsei zolt...@geograph.co.za mailto:zolt...@geograph.co.za wrote: I feel the developers must always put the user before the code simplification. This because the programmer makes a once-off (big)

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-02 Thread Ramon Andiñach
On 02/07/2014, at 18:28 , Giuseppe Sucameli wrote: +1, single click selects one feature and drag selects features by rectangle. Of course, we must default the selection tool to the rectangle one, in addition we must change the tooltip (and maybe the icon too?) to something more

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-02 Thread Giuseppe Sucameli
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Ramon Andiñach cust...@westnet.com.au wrote: If the default was changed to rectangle, I'd expect that most would change it the first time that they needed to do a single point select anyway. And if they try to change back to the single point selection but the

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-02 Thread Olivier Dalang
+1 for simplifying the ui ! The rationale about old users not liking changes doesn't hold against the rationale new users needing an easy software, since we have way more future users than current users ;) Bests, Olivier Envoyé depuis mon mobile ___

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-02 Thread Larry Shaffer
Hi, +1 for dropping the select-by-point part of the tool and making select-by-rect the default. However, I really think the icon, as Giuseppe noted, needs updated to indicate the change (even if the select-by-rect hasn't actually changed). Maybe just adding a pronounced or colored point to the

[Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-01 Thread Nathan Woodrow
Hey, I would like to propose that we remove the single select map tool. Main reason to remove is its function is redundant as the rectangle select does a single point select if you don't drag i.e single click. I live in rectangle select mode 99% of the time and never have any issues. As the

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-01 Thread Régis Haubourg
+1 ! -- View this message in context: http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Do-we-need-a-single-select-map-tool-tp5148969p5148972.html Sent from the Quantum GIS - Developer mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Qgis-developer mailing list

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-01 Thread Mathieu Pellerin
+1 On 1 Jul 2014 18:55, Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I would like to propose that we remove the single select map tool. Main reason to remove is its function is redundant as the rectangle select does a single point select if you don't drag i.e single click. I live in

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-01 Thread G. Allegri
+1 2014-07-01 14:20 GMT+02:00 Mathieu Pellerin nirvn.a...@gmail.com: +1 On 1 Jul 2014 18:55, Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I would like to propose that we remove the single select map tool. Main reason to remove is its function is redundant as the rectangle select does

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-01 Thread Nyall Dawson
On 01/07/2014 9:55 pm, Nathan Woodrow madman...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I would like to propose that we remove the single select map tool. Main reason to remove is its function is redundant as the rectangle select does a single point select if you don't drag i.e single click. I live in

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-01 Thread Mathieu Pellerin
So maybe we could change the default selection tool to rectangle? One of the first thing I personally always do when using a fresh qgis (with default settings) is to change selection tool to rectangle for the reason Nathan raised this thread. On 1 Jul 2014 19:38, Nyall Dawson

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-01 Thread Nathan Woodrow
My main goal at the moment is to reduce some of the clutter and duplicate, or shared behavior, tools that we have. So setting it as a default wouldn't really solve that issue. I would only remove it from the UI, it will still be in the code for the API. - Nathan On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 10:59

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-01 Thread Andreas Neumann
Hi, Given that the rectangle tool also contains the select single features with a click tool I agree that we could get rid of the select single features with a click tool. So +1 from me. +1 also to calling it Select Features Tool in the tooltip. Andreas Am 01.07.2014 12:37, schrieb Nyall

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-01 Thread Jürgen E . Fischer
Hi Nathan, On Tue, 01. Jul 2014 at 23:03:31 +1000, Nathan Woodrow wrote: My main goal at the moment is to reduce some of the clutter and duplicate, or shared behavior, tools that we have. So setting it as a default wouldn't really solve that issue. I would only remove it from the UI, it

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-01 Thread Nathan Woodrow
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Jürgen E. j...@norbit.de wrote: The point selection tool actually selects the nearest feature from a 10x10 pixel rectangle. The rectangle one does the same thing: if ( !mDragging ) { QgsMapToolSelectUtils::expandSelectRectangle( mSelectRect, vlayer,

Re: [Qgis-developer] Do we need a single select map tool?

2014-07-01 Thread Jürgen E . Fischer
Hi Nathan, On Tue, 01. Jul 2014 at 23:26:08 +1000, Nathan Woodrow wrote: QgsMapToolSelectUtils::expandSelectRectangle( mSelectRect, vlayer, e-pos() ); It does QgsMapToolSelectUtils::setSelectFeatures( mCanvas, selectGeom, e ); while the select *single* feature tool does: