Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread Barry Rowlingson
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Marco Hugentobler ma...@hugis.net wrote: Hi Greg In my opinion, Paolo is right. In my opinion, as soon as amounts of money starts being offered, you get a contract written out and nailed down. Specify times (including timezones - remember today is already

Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread Greg Coats
Thank you. Qgis is the only organization, and Paolo is the only person I have had any problem with donating money. WHY DID NOT PAOLO SIMPLY MAKE A WORKING QGIS AVAILABLE FOR LINUX USERS BACK ON 23 JAN 2010? Why, 17 days later, can't Paolo answer that question? Why instead does Paolo write

Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread Maxim Dubinin
This is valuable lesson, but... I guess it would be better for our community if you guys set arguing aside and reach compromise (privately), may be somebody pay 50% and somebody may admit that was not specific enough on deadlines. Just give some space for misunderstanding and make peace. As I

Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread G. Allegri
I must say this is a very sad thread and sad story. I think it's serious, as it shades bad lights on this community (and these are words I'm collacting from collegues in these hours). Anyway, as Barry, I think this can be a lesson that sponsorhip needs a stronger legal ground, and the community

Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread Greg Coats
Paolo emailed me today saying that working executables will not be available until after the next release of Qgis, an unspecified number of months from now, but that Paolo wants me to pay now as though these executables were made available in January 2010. Since Paolo says someone is cheating,

Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread Greg Coats
If Paolo wanted the $1,000.00, then why did not he arrange for a working Qgis executable for Linux users be made available in Jan 2010? ___ Qgis-user mailing list Qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-user

Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread Barry Rowlingson
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Greg Coats gregco...@mac.com wrote: If Paolo wanted the $1,000.00, then why did not he arrange for a working Qgis executable for Linux users be made available in Jan 2010? I suspect ambiguity between his concept of 'a verifiable solution' and 'delivered' and

Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread Greg Coats
A Max OS X solution ONLY is useless to me. I also support Linux and Windows users. On Feb 8, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Barry Rowlingson wrote: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Greg Coats gregco...@mac.com wrote: If Paolo wanted the $1,000.00, then why did not he arrange for a working Qgis

Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread Jan
It is very narrow minded NOT to pay any (at least 50% or so) money IMHO. If you have a working exe and the code is there (svn) ... what's the problem. Given that 1000 $ is nothing (even less in EUR) .-) compared to the time os developers invest in time and whatever else ... sorry, could not

Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread Giovanni Manghi
Hi Greg, On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 12:53 -0500, Greg Coats wrote: A Max OS X solution ONLY is useless to me. I also support Linux and Windows users. under linux there was no problem, even with qgis 1.4, as your project always opened in a matter of few seconds. If there was an issue under

Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread Barry Rowlingson
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Greg Coats gregco...@mac.com wrote: A Max OS X solution ONLY is useless to me. I also support Linux and Windows users. The utility of the solution to you was not explicitly part of the contract (from the original mailing posted by paolo). What does 'delivered'

Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread M S
Hats off to Greg for offering a substantial donation for an important fix. Most commendable! Hats off to the developers for responding rapidly. The unfortunate part is the ambiguity of what needed exactly produced for payment (a verifiable solution and delivered). One would hope that in an

Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread Paolo Cavallini
Greg Coats ha scritto: Paolo emailed me today saying that working executables will not be available until after the next release of Qgis,... Just for the records: this is obviously not true. I do not know whether Greg genuinely does not understand, or if he just is looking for excuses.

Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread Greg Coats
No. I NEVER asked ONLY for a Mac OS X executable. Several Linux users reported their Qgis used 100% of the CPU at start up for several minutes. So, for you to say there never was a problem under Linux is inaccurate. Paolo wrote on 7 Feb 2010 that the only Qgis Linux executable available was

RE: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread Pablo Carreira
The only thing I know about that is that my .qgs files takes up to 5 minutes to load in windows on a powerfull computer. They have a 50MB river database of Brazil. Without the database they load almost instantly. Pablo Torres Carreira Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix

Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread Greg Coats
: The only thing I know about that is that my .qgs files takes up to 5 minutes to load in windows on a powerfull computer. They have a 50MB river database of Brazil. Without the database they load almost instantly. Pablo Torres Carreira Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user

Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread Greg Coats
almost instantly. Pablo Torres Carreira Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating From: gregco...@mac.com Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:25:39 -0500 To: giovanni.man...@gmail.com CC: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org; qgis-develo...@lists.osgeo.org; b.rowling

Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread Giovanni Manghi
Thanks! That is exactly my point. You did nothing wrong. That is because Paolo is still not offering you an executable that has been compiled from the 23 Jan 2010 fixed code. Qgis version 1.4.0 should never have been released to anyone. This is not the way to solve the problems and make

Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread Greg Coats
This is not the way to solve the problems Wow. So, you are blaming a user, because Qgis 1.4.0 was shipped, when it never should have been released. What you call my problem is that working / fixed /useful Qgis executables are still not available to the Qgis this member of the community. And

Re: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread Barend Köbben
Oh guys, please... So we have a user of a FOSS that expects he can pay his way into getting a better version straight away (try that with a commercial software ;-) and a developer who's naive enough to think there's any legal status in promises made in emails. Both should lick their wounds and

RE: [Qgis-developer] Re: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating

2010-02-08 Thread Pablo Carreira
: [Qgis-user] bugfix and cheating From: giovanni.man...@gmail.com To: gregco...@mac.com CC: pablotcarre...@hotmail.com; qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org; qgis-develo...@lists.osgeo.org Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:46:21 + Thanks! That is exactly my point. You did nothing wrong