Re: [Qgis-user] Qgis-user Digest, Vol 130, Issue 23

[Innisfree McKinnon]

That you could make the transition so easily is an argument that it doesn't
really matter which program is taught in school. If someone has some decent
GIS skills then can pretty quickly figure out how to do things in QGIS and
find resources to help them make the transition. That is what I did when I
got out of school and had some small consulting jobs and no ArcGIS license.

I want to transition to teaching mainly in QGIS, but it is difficult to
counter the argument that most job ads in the U.S. still list ArcGIS.
Portland is just ahead of the curve. ;) Here in Wisconsin the open source
revolution is still in the early stages.

Innisfree

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Edward Curran 
wrote:

> Arc is what is taught in US schools but the switch to Q is not that hard.
> in fact from a students perspective I feel that by learning from  different
> perspectives one can learn better. Here in Portland the whole public
> transit system switched onto Q and I intend to work in Q once I start out
> in the field. Arc is a fine suite of tools but they cost money - from what
> I can tell , learning Python, R and some kind of  open source graphics
> program, spreadsheet, also Q cost nothing licence wise and  are
> collectively a decent skill set to start out a career in GIS.
>
>  I complete my assignments in arc but pursue side projects in Q because I
> know once I am out of school I won't have the license anymore, plus Q can
> do the job just as well anyway.
>
> On Dec 16, 2016 3:35 AM,  wrote:
>
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>>1. Re: QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice (Blumentrath, Stefan)
>>2. Re: QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice (Erik Meerburg)
>>3. Re: QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice (Nicolas Cadieux)
>>4. Re: QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice (Innisfree McKinnon)
>>5. Re: QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice (Nyall Dawson)
>>6. Digitising a vector line by measurement (Paul Shapley)
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>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 19:54:49 +
>> From: "Blumentrath, Stefan" 
>> To: Markus Weidenbach ,
>> "qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org" 
>> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice
>> Message-ID: <668886fbc5284208b2acc72879a2c...@ninsrv23.nina.no>
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>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> There is http://gisgeography.com/mapping-out-gis-software-landscape/
>>
>> Which hopelessly overrates ArcGIS, also because of a US centric
>> perspective. However, the Authors use Google trends and statistics on
>> GIS.SE to rank popularity of GIS. And if you do that QGIS is nr. 1 in
>> Europe at least. Note also the trend in the google trends curves, esp. If
>> you take Italy as an example.
>> People close to retirement can probably stick to Arc, but people who are
>> students now will have to learn open source in their career, no doubt...
>> Even in a rich country like norway a significat number of university
>> courses on GIS (esp. such related to ecology) switched to Open Source and
>> mostly QGIS...
>>
>> Cheers
>> Stefan
>> 
>> Von: Qgis-user [qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] im Auftrag von Markus
>> Weidenbach [landcons...@freenet.de]
>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2016 20:07
>> An: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
>> Betreff: [Qgis-user] QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice
>>
>> Dear List,
>>
>> I was asked to give a 5 days international GIS training course at the
>> university and proposed to do it with QGIS. The program leader finally
>> insisted on doing it with ArcGIS arguing  that the students had better
>> chances to find a job knowing ArcGIS rather than QGIS. This argumentation
>> does not reflect my long professional experience as a GIS consultant at all!
>> But how can I proof that knowing QGIS is the better choice for young GIS
>> professionals than ArcGIS (or at least that both systems are equally
>> suited)?
>> Does anybody know any official numbers of GIS users worldwide or on the
>> worldwide application of QGIS over ArcGIS?
>>
>> I know the Master thesis from Boku Vienna (https://geoobserver.wordpress
>> .com/2016/02/09/arcgis-vs-qgis/) but it is focused on a technical
>> comparison of both systems only.
>> Also the link 

Re: [Qgis-user] Qgis-user Digest, Vol 130, Issue 23

[Edward Curran]

Arc is what is taught in US schools but the switch to Q is not that hard.
in fact from a students perspective I feel that by learning from  different
perspectives one can learn better. Here in Portland the whole public
transit system switched onto Q and I intend to work in Q once I start out
in the field. Arc is a fine suite of tools but they cost money - from what
I can tell , learning Python, R and some kind of  open source graphics
program, spreadsheet, also Q cost nothing licence wise and  are
collectively a decent skill set to start out a career in GIS.

 I complete my assignments in arc but pursue side projects in Q because I
know once I am out of school I won't have the license anymore, plus Q can
do the job just as well anyway.

On Dec 16, 2016 3:35 AM,  wrote:

> Send Qgis-user mailing list submissions to
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> You can reach the person managing the list at
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>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Qgis-user digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>1. Re: QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice (Blumentrath, Stefan)
>2. Re: QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice (Erik Meerburg)
>3. Re: QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice (Nicolas Cadieux)
>4. Re: QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice (Innisfree McKinnon)
>5. Re: QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice (Nyall Dawson)
>6. Digitising a vector line by measurement (Paul Shapley)
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 19:54:49 +
> From: "Blumentrath, Stefan" 
> To: Markus Weidenbach ,
> "qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org" 
> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice
> Message-ID: <668886fbc5284208b2acc72879a2c...@ninsrv23.nina.no>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi,
>
> There is http://gisgeography.com/mapping-out-gis-software-landscape/
>
> Which hopelessly overrates ArcGIS, also because of a US centric
> perspective. However, the Authors use Google trends and statistics on
> GIS.SE to rank popularity of GIS. And if you do that QGIS is nr. 1 in
> Europe at least. Note also the trend in the google trends curves, esp. If
> you take Italy as an example.
> People close to retirement can probably stick to Arc, but people who are
> students now will have to learn open source in their career, no doubt...
> Even in a rich country like norway a significat number of university
> courses on GIS (esp. such related to ecology) switched to Open Source and
> mostly QGIS...
>
> Cheers
> Stefan
> 
> Von: Qgis-user [qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] im Auftrag von Markus
> Weidenbach [landcons...@freenet.de]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2016 20:07
> An: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
> Betreff: [Qgis-user] QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice
>
> Dear List,
>
> I was asked to give a 5 days international GIS training course at the
> university and proposed to do it with QGIS. The program leader finally
> insisted on doing it with ArcGIS arguing  that the students had better
> chances to find a job knowing ArcGIS rather than QGIS. This argumentation
> does not reflect my long professional experience as a GIS consultant at all!
> But how can I proof that knowing QGIS is the better choice for young GIS
> professionals than ArcGIS (or at least that both systems are equally
> suited)?
> Does anybody know any official numbers of GIS users worldwide or on the
> worldwide application of QGIS over ArcGIS?
>
> I know the Master thesis from Boku Vienna (https://geoobserver.
> wordpress.com/2016/02/09/arcgis-vs-qgis/) but it is focused on a
> technical comparison of both systems only.
> Also the link https://www.g2crowd.com/grid_report/documents/gis-winter-
> 2016-report is not really helpful because it is based on some 40 reviews
> only and therefore not representative.
> I really need to know some proven facts on the number of global QGIS users
> and renown companies using QGIS worldwide.
>
> Thanks for your help in advance,
> Markus
>
> --
> Dr. Markus Weidenbach
> landConsult.de
> Geographical Information Management
> and Environmental Planning
> D-77815 Bühl
> Germany
> e.mail see: http://landConsult.de
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 23:04:35 +0100
> From: Erik Meerburg 
> To: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGIS vs ArcGIS in Education and Practice
> Message-ID: <25c0ef57-a323-b686-078d-fbaa0ba6f...@geo-academie.nl>
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