[Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-11 Thread Thierry Godefroy via Ql-Users
On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 23:42:31 +0200, Peter Graf via Ql-Users wrote:

> Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users wrote:
> > -    As a slave I have a 4 GB Toshiba SD HC with a CF adapter Type II. 
> 
> Ah! Very good idea! With the right passive CF-IDE adapters, those might
> not suffer the same problem as the SD-IDE converters, which allow no
> slave.

I'm afraid things are not *that* simple... :-(

Based on Fabrizio's report, I bought and tried this adapter:
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B06XD8ZP1P

Sadly, when plugged into the IDE to CF Card adapter (duly configured as
a slave and which does cause a genuine CF Card to indeed behave as an
IDE slave device when plugged in this adapter), the SDHC+CF card adapter
combo behaves like if it is alone on the IDE bus, masking any other
device connected to it (in my case, an IDE HD configured as master).

I also tried to configure the IDE-CF adapter as master and the DD as
slave, but the DD is still not seen on the bus when the SDHC+CF card
adapter combo is plugged into the IDE-CF Card adapter.

I returned that device today since it's of no use at all to me...

If Fabrizio could quote the brand and model of his working SDHC to CF
card adapter, it would save us a lot of troubles finding one that works
as intended...

Thierry.
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Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-11 Thread Dave Park via Ql-Users
I have everything needed right here. If anyone wants to take it on and
gives me a part list, I'll make a care package.

Dave

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 4:09 PM Thierry Godefroy via Ql-Users <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 11 May 2020 15:38:42 -0500, Dave Park via Ql-Users wrote:
>
> > A small circuit can split the master/slave into two isolated masters
> > that would work in most or all cases. Is this of interest as a possible
> > solution?
>
> I thought about it but the problem is with finding all the deprecated
> 40 pins connectors, designing the circuit (that would probably mandate
> a double sided PCB), making it Lot's of troubles for a result that
> is not even guaranteed.
>
> Another, better solution, would be an ISA bus extender for the Q40/Q60,
> so that a second IDE controller card can be plugged (along the first
> one and the Ethernet card); I still have a couple such IDE (in fact
> IDE + serial + parallel ports) cards, but with the two slots already
> occupied on the Q60, I cannot use them.
>
> But I still don't despair to find a memory card adapter that will allow
> us to share the IDE bus and that does work...
>
> Thierry.
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Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-11 Thread Dave Park via Ql-Users
A small circuit can split the master/slave into two isolated masters that
would work in most or all cases. Is this of interest as a possible solution?

Dave

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:35 PM Thierry Godefroy via Ql-Users <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 23:42:31 +0200, Peter Graf via Ql-Users wrote:
>
> > Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users wrote:
> > > -As a slave I have a 4 GB Toshiba SD HC with a CF adapter Type II.
> >
> > Ah! Very good idea! With the right passive CF-IDE adapters, those might
> > not suffer the same problem as the SD-IDE converters, which allow no
> > slave.
>
> I'm afraid things are not *that* simple... :-(
>
> Based on Fabrizio's report, I bought and tried this adapter:
> https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B06XD8ZP1P
>
> Sadly, when plugged into the IDE to CF Card adapter (duly configured as
> a slave and which does cause a genuine CF Card to indeed behave as an
> IDE slave device when plugged in this adapter), the SDHC+CF card adapter
> combo behaves like if it is alone on the IDE bus, masking any other
> device connected to it (in my case, an IDE HD configured as master).
>
> I also tried to configure the IDE-CF adapter as master and the DD as
> slave, but the DD is still not seen on the bus when the SDHC+CF card
> adapter combo is plugged into the IDE-CF Card adapter.
>
> I returned that device today since it's of no use at all to me...
>
> If Fabrizio could quote the brand and model of his working SDHC to CF
> card adapter, it would save us a lot of troubles finding one that works
> as intended...
>
> Thierry.
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Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-11 Thread Thierry Godefroy via Ql-Users
On Mon, 11 May 2020 15:38:42 -0500, Dave Park via Ql-Users wrote:

> A small circuit can split the master/slave into two isolated masters
> that would work in most or all cases. Is this of interest as a possible
> solution?

I thought about it but the problem is with finding all the deprecated
40 pins connectors, designing the circuit (that would probably mandate
a double sided PCB), making it Lot's of troubles for a result that
is not even guaranteed.

Another, better solution, would be an ISA bus extender for the Q40/Q60,
so that a second IDE controller card can be plugged (along the first
one and the Ethernet card); I still have a couple such IDE (in fact
IDE + serial + parallel ports) cards, but with the two slots already
occupied on the Q60, I cannot use them.

But I still don't despair to find a memory card adapter that will allow
us to share the IDE bus and that does work...

Thierry.
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Re: [Ql-Users] Memory cards and the Q60 (was Re: SMSQE 3.36)

2020-05-11 Thread Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users

Hi,

I am in the middle of multiple tests with CF/IDE and SD/IDE readers with 
different type/size of CF and SD


Few words about the 2 machine I am using :

- Q40 with 1 IDE controller card with primary channel (master/slave) and 
secondary (master/slave) on the same Card so in total 4 IDE devices: as 
primary master I have a classic 80 GB IDE HD (2 atari partition), as 
slave I have a CDROM. On the secondary channel as a master I have an 
IDE/CF adapter. (StarTech 3.5 Drive Bay IDE to single CF SSD adapter 
card reader). The second ISA slot is occupied by ethernet card. SMSQ/E 
2.92 on rom, then I load newer SMSQ/E (3.36) from primary master disk. 
All the different combination of CF/SD I use on the StarTech are fine. 
The system is working well and stable . Q40 is very tolerant with any 
CF/SD reader I tried to used: I also replaced main primary (master) 
classic 80 GB with a single SD reader (Kalea Informatique - Adapteur 
Convertisseur IDE 3.5 40 pin vers SD Card) and also everything works 
fine.


- Q60: SMSQ/E 2.98 on Rom, 2 IDE cards ESIO v2.1, no ethernet. I had 
also in the past a 2 slot ISA riser card to use the 2 IDE controller at 
the same time with ethernet card (used with linux Shoestring), but at 
the moment I removed the riser card (and linux) and I use the 2 IDE 
cards in the single ISA slotᅵ with no Ethernet. Theᅵ 2 IDE card ESIO 
v2.1 are configured so that one is the primary ide card (IDE address 
primary IRQ 14) with ser1 and ser2, the second card is configured as 
secondary (IDE address secondary IRQ 15) with ser3 and ser4. Attached to 
the first primary card I have: Syba SD-ADA45006 Lecteur de Carte memoire 
interne IDE, it is a CF reader able to have the master CF on one side 
and the slave CF on the other side. As master I have an IBM Microdrive 
withᅵ 2 atari partition used only to boot newer SMSQ/E and as slave I 
have a toshiba 4GB SD inserted into a passive CF2SD adapter type II (K 
komputer K Bay). The SD have 2 partitions. All work fine, I repeat that 
all work fine with SMSQ/e 3.36 (last revision)


- Same Q60 as before but with SMSQ/e 3.36 on rom..here the situation 
is more complex. After having upgraded my Q60 with newer roms, the 
tolerance with CF readers and different type of SD/CF cards are totally 
different. The same Syba adapter is in place and works fine booting 
directly QXL.WIN (and it is very fast), but i realized that most of the 
other CF readers I tried DON'T work any more as before. This issue seems 
to address newer SMSQ/E in Eprom, I used second hand ST M27C1024 eprom 
120ns. I ordered completely new eprom from China the same Brand but with 
100ns.not sure where is the problem.


This is the situation as of yesterday night, it is really hard and time 
consuming test all different combination of devices .


Fabrizio



On 11/05/2020 22:35, Thierry Godefroy via Ql-Users wrote:

On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 23:42:31 +0200, Peter Graf via Ql-Users wrote:


Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users wrote:

-ᅵᅵᅵ As a slave I have a 4 GB Toshiba SD HC with a CF adapter Type II.

Ah! Very good idea! With the right passive CF-IDE adapters, those might
not suffer the same problem as the SD-IDE converters, which allow no
slave.

I'm afraid things are not *that* simple... :-(

Based on Fabrizio's report, I bought and tried this adapter:
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B06XD8ZP1P

Sadly, when plugged into the IDE to CF Card adapter (duly configured as
a slave and which does cause a genuine CF Card to indeed behave as an
IDE slave device when plugged in this adapter), the SDHC+CF card adapter
combo behaves like if it is alone on the IDE bus, masking any other
device connected to it (in my case, an IDE HD configured as master).

I also tried to configure the IDE-CF adapter as master and the DD as
slave, but the DD is still not seen on the bus when the SDHC+CF card
adapter combo is plugged into the IDE-CF Card adapter.

I returned that device today since it's of no use at all to me...

If Fabrizio could quote the brand and model of his working SDHC to CF
card adapter, it would save us a lot of troubles finding one that works
as intended...

Thierry.
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