Re: [ql-users] Updated web site
Morning Tony, You'd probably [not] be suprised to hear that I did too! ^ You have to be careful to spell correctly when you comment on other people's spelling (8-)# well caught young man, well caught. The words 'hoist' and 'petard' spring to mind at this point. Mind you, I knew that I'd manage to spell something wrongly as soon as I replied. That's why I proof read it four times. :o) Ah well, there's no spell checker on the web interface I have to use from work, so that's my (feeble) excuse and I'm sticking with it. Here's a thought, last time I was able to get to a QL show, Ben was about 5 years old and played all day with a 'Tower Of Hanoi' robot thingy that you had built - from Lego I think. I'm pretty sure it was in Chester and Dilwyn was (a) still trading as DJC and (b) the main organiser. So, how long ago was that then ? (Don't you just hate it when people remind you of how long ago someting was using youe own kids !!!) Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Updated web site
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Morning Tony, You'd probably [not] be suprised to hear that I did too! ^ You have to be careful to spell correctly when you comment on other people's spelling (8-)# well caught young man, well caught. The words 'hoist' and 'petard' spring to mind at this point. Mind you, I knew that I'd manage to spell something wrongly as soon as I replied. That's why I proof read it four times. :o) Ah well, there's no spell checker on the web interface I have to use from work, so that's my (feeble) excuse and I'm sticking with it. Here's a thought, last time I was able to get to a QL show, Ben was about 5 years old and played all day with a 'Tower Of Hanoi' robot thingy that you had built - from Lego I think. I'm pretty sure it was in Chester and Dilwyn was (a) still trading as DJC and (b) the main organiser. So, how long ago was that then ? (Don't you just hate it when people remind you of how long ago someting was using youe own kids !!!) What is your feeble excuse this time (8-)# I do this thing *all* the time - something to do with dyslexia and two fingered typing. I find it quicker to type quickly and correct afterwards. Some great ones happen when my brian makes spelling mistokes. Then they often get left, intentionally. Wasn't a typo how the Little Green Forst saga started, and I have always preferred the name QL Toady. Probably 12 years! It wasn't Lego. I forget the name, but Qview developed it from a German kit that was *something* like Lego but was sold to schools and universities as commercial kit. I liked it so much that I bought a kit. I must try and get it out again. It's major failing was that it broke with use. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Updated web site
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:38:26 +0100, Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Morning Tony, You'd probably [not] be suprised to hear that I did too! ^ You have to be careful to spell correctly when you comment on other people's spelling (8-)# well caught young man, well caught. The words 'hoist' and 'petard' spring to mind at this point. Mind you, I knew that I'd manage to spell something wrongly as soon as I replied. That's why I proof read it four times. :o) Ah well, there's no spell checker on the web interface I have to use from work, so that's my (feeble) excuse and I'm sticking with it. Here's a thought, last time I was able to get to a QL show, Ben was about 5 years old and played all day with a 'Tower Of Hanoi' robot thingy that you had built - from Lego I think. I'm pretty sure it was in Chester and Dilwyn was (a) still trading as DJC and (b) the main organiser. So, how long ago was that then ? (Don't you just hate it when people remind you of how long ago someting was using youe own kids !!!) What is your feeble excuse this time (8-)# I do this thing *all* the time - something to do with dyslexia and two fingered typing. I find it quicker to type quickly and correct afterwards. Some great ones happen when my brian makes spelling mistokes. Then they often get left, intentionally. Wasn't a typo how the Little Green Forst saga started, and I have always preferred the name QL Toady. Probably 12 years! It wasn't Lego. I forget the name, but Qview developed it from a German kit that was *something* like Lego but was sold to schools and universities as commercial kit. I liked it so much that I bought a kit. I must try and get it out again. It's major failing was that it broke with use. Tony Fischer Technik !! I had some when I was young... -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services URL:http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk URL:http://www.rwapadventures.com URL:http://www.rwapservices.co.uk URL:http://www.internetbusinessangels.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Updated web site
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:52:37 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cut My web page at http://www.bountiful.demon.co.uk/qstripper.html, for example, has been written in standard compliant HTML and CSS (I hope!) and only IE gives problems of the browsers I have tested. Mind you, Opera 9 has yet to be tried out. I even decided to put a paragraph on the page to advise users of IE that they might have problems. How times have changed eh ? Well don't even try it on the beta version of IE 7 - it manages to place the contents box over the top of the main text !! IE 7 is Microsoft's attempt at bringing it more up to date, with many of the features that have been in Firefox and Opera for years ! -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services URL:http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk URL:http://www.rwapadventures.com URL:http://www.rwapservices.co.uk URL:http://www.internetbusinessangels.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Updated web site
As this subject heading had been seen so oft I knew it must have changed - disklesia Hanoi ! Sorry this Orange web mail - real pain Well don't even try it on the beta version of IE 7 - it manages to place the contents box over the top of the main text !! As one who is averse to much of the MS world, Outlook, Hotmail and MSN. I am grateful to Uncle Bill for getting computers to talk to eachother, 20 yrs ago the bleat was why can they not. I used Netscape upto 4.7 before being AOHelled. But IE has long used names in the cache, as opposed to Firefox using double Netscape codenames. Yes I liked the tabs and IE7provides. I think you have to ask does IE7 put contentbox in a layer or does something else make it do that ? IE 7 is Microsoft's attempt at bringing it more up to date, with many of the features that have been in Firefox and Opera for years ! ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] SMSQE v3.12 and FTEST
An excellent diagnosis! George On 28 Aug 2006, at 19:20, P Witte wrote: Finally, it appears FTEST/FOP_IN has a problem handling array slices, as the following demonstrates (SMSQ/E V3.12): 100 DIM k$(10) 110 k$=win_j 120 CLS 130 e = FOP_IN(k$): Disp k$: REMark Correct 140 : 150 FOR i% = 0 TO DIMN(k$) 160 e = FOP_IN(k$(1 TO i%)) 170 Disp k$(1 TO i%) 180 END FOR i% 190 : 200 DEFine PROCedure Disp(n$) 210 PRINT n$; ':', 220 IF e 0 THEN 230 PRINT e 240 ELSE 250 PRINT FNAME$(#e) 260 CLOSE#e 270 END IF 280 END DEFine 290 : ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] SMSQE v3.13
Marcel Kilgus writes: Wow, that bug is probably almost as old as I am! Fix will be included in 3.13 which is somewhat overdue anyway (I added some nifty new features that needed deeper testing, but that should all be okay now). Nifty new features? Christmas has come early this year! I can just visualise it: A young Father Christmas with lots of little old bearded men hopping around squealing with delight! Go on! Are you going to tell us about it? Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] SMSQE v3.13
P Witte wrote: Wow, that bug is probably almost as old as I am! Fix will be included in 3.13 which is somewhat overdue anyway (I added some nifty new features that needed deeper testing, but that should all be okay now). Nifty new features? Christmas has come early this year! I can just visualise it: A young Father Christmas with lots of little old bearded men hopping around squealing with delight! Sorry Per, I think you're already using them ;-) The stuff is just so old that people including myself take them for granted, I totally forgot that they are not officially released yet! Specifically I'm talking about the new Ctrl+C behaviour and the faster boot-up time. Cheers, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Updated web site
On your downloads page, you have a program named 'calender' should that not be 'calendar'? It's somewhat amusing as the ads down the right side of the page are all trying to get me onto eBay to buy ... a spell checker ! Even better, I Googled for Dilwyn Jones and I got the message: Buy Dilwyn Jones on eBay How much I wonder (8-)# Tony Err, you'd have to pay people to take me Tony (or so my wife says) Wonder if your Google message would appear with any Welsh names or words not known to Goofups (err, sorry, Google) -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 25/08/2006 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Browsers - was Updated web site
On your downloads page, you have a program named 'calender' should that not be 'calendar'? It's somewhat amusing as the ads down the right side of the page are all trying to get me onto eBay to buy ... a spell checker I downloaded the calendar and it's quite good. Very minimal. And the only one I've seen on the QL which calculates and displays bank holidays. Quite clever, since bank holidays aren't fixed dates - they are defined as, say, the last monday in August rather than the same fixed date each year. I think that bank holidays for the various parts of the British Isles are separately defined and not necessarily the same in Scotland as in England for example. For anyone interested in calendars (or calenders I guess) QL Today had a series called Clocking In plus a few follow up articles on the subject a couple of years ago. -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 25/08/2006 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Updated web site
Here's a thought, last time I was able to get to a QL show, Ben was about 5 years old and played all day with a 'Tower Of Hanoi' robot thingy that you had built - from Lego I think. I'm pretty sure it was in Chester and Dilwyn was (a) still trading as DJC and (b) the main organiser. So, how long ago was that then ? (Don't you just hate it when people remind you of how long ago someting was using youe own kids !!!) Cheers, Norman. 1994 -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 25/08/2006 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Updated web site
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Thankfully, many web sites I use these days have little icons that say 'W3C validated for HTML and CSS' (or words to that effect) and work better in non-IE browsers because IE is far from standards compliant. My web page at http://www.bountiful.demon.co.uk/qstripper.html, for example, has been written in standard compliant HTML and CSS (I hope!) and only IE gives problems of the browsers I have tested. Mind you, Opera 9 has yet to be tried out. I even decided to put a paragraph on the page to advise users of IE that they might have problems. May I suggest that you also put a link to from where a download could be performed? So not only do you suggest that the user gets a [much better] tandards compliant browser, but also from where they can get it. How times have changed eh ? And for the good of everyone. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Updated web site
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's changing the subject a little but in spite of the fact there are so many critics of I.E. on this list 72.3% of people accessing my site use IE. 24.5% Netscape and only 2.2% Opera. I wonder if that's because it is free (well, you get it when you pay for Windows) ? Actually all 3 are free. But IE is pre-installed and most people have the I know how to use it, I don't want to learn anything else approach, even though both Netscape and Opera are 1000 times better than the old IE, which hasn't been updated with new features for years. Personally I'd probably rather give up the internet than using IE for halve an hour, it's just a pain to use. So ... what in particular is painful about IE ? ( This should be fun ... :-) ) I use both IE ver6 and Opera ver6, and usually IE is much the quicker at finding sites and downloading ... despite Opera's claim to be the fastest thing in West . -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Updated web site
Tony Firshman wrote: snip It wasn't Lego. I forget the name, but Qview developed it from a German kit that was *something* like Lego but was sold to schools and universities as commercial kit. Fischer Technik and designed by Qview's Jonathan Oakley. I liked it so much that I bought a kit. I must try and get it out again. It's major failing was that it broke with use. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Updated web site
Malcolm Cadman wrote: So ... what in particular is painful about IE ? Mainly it's inherently unsafe to use it on the internet. No IE user should be surprised if they catch some virus, worm or whatever. Apart form that it's usually slower, it doesn't have proper keyboard navigation, it lacks browser tabs, it doesn't recognize mouse gestures, the bookmarks are inferior, it doesn't allow site specific settings, the popup blocker is lacking, it doesn't have an ad filter, it doesn't include an RSS client, it doesn't maintain state (opened URLs) between sessions, when it crashes you cannot just continue to work where you left off, there is no proper cookie management, it renders pages wrongly and doesn't comply to most standards, it's not very customizable. Okay, those were just the things that I could immediately come up with. I guess with some effort the list would be longer ;-) I use both IE ver6 and Opera ver6, and usually IE is much the quicker at finding sites and downloading ... despite Opera's claim to be the fastest thing in West . Opera 6 is how old? 5 years? Unlike IE, Opera HAS been improved in the meantime. They're at version 9 now. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Updated web site
Marcel Kilgus wrote: Malcolm Cadman wrote: So ... what in particular is painful about IE ? Mainly it's inherently unsafe to use it on the internet. No IE user should be surprised if they catch some virus, worm or whatever. Apart form that it's usually slower, it doesn't have proper keyboard navigation, it lacks browser tabs, it doesn't recognize mouse gestures, the bookmarks are inferior, it doesn't allow site specific settings, the popup blocker is lacking, it doesn't have an ad filter, it doesn't include an RSS client, it doesn't maintain state (opened URLs) between sessions, when it crashes you cannot just continue to work where you left off, there is no proper cookie management, it renders pages wrongly and doesn't comply to most standards, it's not very customizable. Okay, those were just the things that I could immediately come up with. I guess with some effort the list would be longer ;-) It is difficult to extract URLs, as Copy shortcut dropdown has not keyboard shortcut. Firefox - right click | C MSIE- right click | navigate | mouse click. My WN work involves hosts of URL copying, and this saves a *lot* of time. Marcel - what are mouse gestures? Firefox has a host of essential user written extensions. I could not do my WN work without Web Developer extensions. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Updated web site
Tony Firshman wrote: Marcel - what are mouse gestures? Essentially you hold the right button down while drawing small figures with the mouse. This will be interpreted as different commands by the browser, like open new tab, close tab, open in background etc. Incredible effective way to give commands to the browser once you've learned the small gestures. Not using a mouse most of the time I cannot use them anymore. But there remains one very important semi-gesture which is worth it alone. Holding down the right button and shortly pressing the left button is move back to last page. Accordingly holding the left and pressing the right is move to next page. I probably use that hundreds of times every day. No need to navigate to the back toolbar button or change to the keyboard, just do it wherever you are. Firefox has a host of essential user written extensions. Yes, Firefox can do most things Opera can (= has copied features Opera pioneered pretty well ;) using different extension, but Opera is the better overall package as it does everything right out of the box. Still Firefox is an okay browser, no question. What's cool about Opera are the little details. E.g. everybody probably knows the little search fields to quickly search something on Google and a few other engines. But suppose you want to quickly access the Wikipedia search as well. In that case you just open up the page, right click on Wikipedia's search text field and select Create search And voila, you got a new search engine to chose from. Simple and elegant. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Updated web site
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marcel Kilgus ql- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Malcolm Cadman wrote: So ... what in particular is painful about IE ? Mainly it's inherently unsafe to use it on the internet. No IE user should be surprised if they catch some virus, worm or whatever. Apart form that it's usually slower, it doesn't have proper keyboard navigation, it lacks browser tabs, it doesn't recognize mouse gestures, the bookmarks are inferior, it doesn't allow site specific settings, the popup blocker is lacking, it doesn't have an ad filter, it doesn't include an RSS client, it doesn't maintain state (opened URLs) between sessions, when it crashes you cannot just continue to work where you left off, there is no proper cookie management, it renders pages wrongly and doesn't comply to most standards, it's not very customizable. Okay, those were just the things that I could immediately come up with. I guess with some effort the list would be longer ;-) All useful features, and yet not having them doesn't prevent enjoying the use. I use both IE ver6 and Opera ver6, and usually IE is much the quicker at finding sites and downloading ... despite Opera's claim to be the fastest thing in West . Opera 6 is how old? 5 years? Unlike IE, Opera HAS been improved in the meantime. They're at version 9 now. Which is not comparing like for like. The Opera 6.04 [ free version ] that I am using says 2002, IE 6.0.29 [ came with Windows XP Professional ] says 2004. So, one around 4 yrs old and the other around 2 yrs old. I am also on dial up, not broadband, so speed deficiences show up more. I often run them side by side, just see how each performs. Also, for Geoff, Opera is often configured to identigfy itself as IE. PS ... Are you able to make to the Byfleet Show on 5th November 2006 ? -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Updated web site
Malcolm Cadman wrote: All useful features, and yet not having them doesn't prevent enjoying the use. As is often the case, good things you don't know you don't miss. Good things you do know however you never want to miss again. Opera 6 is how old? 5 years? Unlike IE, Opera HAS been improved in the meantime. They're at version 9 now. Which is not comparing like for like. Well, it only makes sense to compare the most recent versions, doesn't it? I'd be a bit pissed if somebody says QPC is not so good, it doesn't even run in a window. By the way, I'm using version 1.50. Also Opera 9 is completely free, no ads or anything anymore. The Opera 6.04 [ free version ] that I am using says 2002, IE 6.0.29 [ came with Windows XP Professional ] says 2004. So, one around 4 yrs old and the other around 2 yrs old. No, that is just the patch level, i.e. the last bug fix was 2 years old in your case. IE6 itself is 5 years old, I think. PS ... Are you able to make to the Byfleet Show on 5th November 2006 ? No, I won't do any travelling this year due to work reasons. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
