Re: [Ql-Users] R: QLis30 programme

2013-11-03 Thread Ian Pine


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From: Davide Santachiara d.santachi...@libero.it

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Dear Geoff,

Indeed the last QL event in Italy (2008) has been a rendez-vous between 
QL
enthusiasts (active and non active) which was held in the company for 
which

I work. That means the cost was zero besides for travels and a lunch event
which was of course also one of the reasons for the people to join again
from different parts of Italy.

I agree that even if the event was attended by a relatively low number of
people it has been very interesting and it was very nice to have the 
telecon
with Daniele Terdina in the US. Anybody interested could check the report 
at

this address:

http://www.sinclairql.it/meeting2008eng.pdf

It is not unlikely we will organize a similar event sometimes in Spring
2014.

Best regards

Davide


I'm not sure which country is preferred to hold an event but I could not 
justify the expense of travelling outside UK at the moment.


If to be held in UK what about seeing if something could be done in 
co-operation with The National Museum of Computing http://www.tnmoc.org, 
perhaps at their place in Bletchley Park? One advantage is that there would 
be plenty of other computing history, aside from the QL, to attract 
visitors.


I've been meaning to make another visit to Bletchley Park for ages, so a 
one-day QL event there would certainly coax me out of my armchair.


Ian. 


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Re: [Ql-Users] R: QLis30 programme

2013-11-03 Thread Geoff Wicks

On 03/11/2013 16:51, Ian Pine wrote:


I'm not sure which country is preferred to hold an event but I could 
not justify the expense of travelling outside UK at the moment.


If to be held in UK what about seeing if something could be done in 
co-operation with The National Museum of Computing 
http://www.tnmoc.org, perhaps at their place in Bletchley Park? One 
advantage is that there would be plenty of other computing history, 
aside from the QL, to attract visitors.


I've been meaning to make another visit to Bletchley Park for ages, so 
a one-day QL event there would certainly coax me out of my armchair.


Ian.


I hope I have not caused confusion. If there is an event it would be a 
UK event.


My personal opinion is that there is no point in having a traditonal 
Quanta show. They are burnt out and are of no interest to the members. 
Last year's show at Manchester was the worst I have ever attended. Two 
days with just two presentations both on the Sunday. Scarcely any mixing 
and badly attended presentations. I had the impression that some people 
were only there because they felt they had to be and just stayed at 
their tables doing their own thing.


At the end of the show the committee had a tut tut session and asked how 
we could approve attendance. They came up with a brilliant solution for 
this year - a carbon copy of last year! And then Sarah grumbles why 
attendance was bad and screams APATHY in the Quanta Magazine. 
(Although she did spare us the capital letters this year.)


We have to break with this pattern. That's why I referred to shows 
abroad as possible models. Let's stop having the obsession with numbers 
and instead look at the quality of the event.


I don't know whether Bletchley Park would be financially feasible, but I 
like the idea of combining some form of social activity with the 
business. It would also get us back nearer to the South of England.  No 
problem with day travel for the commitee - Bletchley is on the West 
Coast Line which also serves the small village of Manchester. The venue 
is 300 metres from the station,


Best Wishes,



Geoff

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[Ql-Users] R: R: QLis30 programme

2013-11-03 Thread Davide Santachiara
Dear Geoff, Ian,

Of course with my email I had no intention whatsoever to propose an event in
Italy. The last international meeting was held here in 2003 and the boundary
conditions for its organization were already at the limit 10 years ago. I
just wanted to provide a feedback on the way we organized the last event
knowing that we would have had a limited attendance.

Best regards

Davide

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Oggetto: Re: [Ql-Users] R: QLis30 programme

On 03/11/2013 16:51, Ian Pine wrote:

 I'm not sure which country is preferred to hold an event but I could 
 not justify the expense of travelling outside UK at the moment.

 If to be held in UK what about seeing if something could be done in 
 co-operation with The National Museum of Computing 
 http://www.tnmoc.org, perhaps at their place in Bletchley Park? One 
 advantage is that there would be plenty of other computing history, 
 aside from the QL, to attract visitors.

 I've been meaning to make another visit to Bletchley Park for ages, so 
 a one-day QL event there would certainly coax me out of my armchair.

 Ian.

I hope I have not caused confusion. If there is an event it would be a UK
event.

My personal opinion is that there is no point in having a traditonal Quanta
show. They are burnt out and are of no interest to the members. 
Last year's show at Manchester was the worst I have ever attended. Two days
with just two presentations both on the Sunday. Scarcely any mixing and
badly attended presentations. I had the impression that some people were
only there because they felt they had to be and just stayed at their tables
doing their own thing.

At the end of the show the committee had a tut tut session and asked how we
could approve attendance. They came up with a brilliant solution for this
year - a carbon copy of last year! And then Sarah grumbles why attendance
was bad and screams APATHY in the Quanta Magazine. 
(Although she did spare us the capital letters this year.)

We have to break with this pattern. That's why I referred to shows abroad as
possible models. Let's stop having the obsession with numbers and instead
look at the quality of the event.

I don't know whether Bletchley Park would be financially feasible, but I
like the idea of combining some form of social activity with the business.
It would also get us back nearer to the South of England.  No problem with
day travel for the commitee - Bletchley is on the West Coast Line which also
serves the small village of Manchester. The venue is 300 metres from the
station,

Best Wishes,



Geoff

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