Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

2018-01-21 Thread Peter Graf via Ql-Users
Hi Fabrizio,

> I have done a sufficient number of experiment in copying and executing 
> files over the sernet@230400 to say that it is working.

I'm glad it does, although SERNET alone can not prove the SER-USB
adaptor handles 230 kBaud reliably in general. The problems usually pop
up when you have no protocol splitting long transfers it into smaller
chunks.

> I copied also some files over the net, bigger than 1Mb, and then 
> compared byte by byte. I would like to say that @230400 sernet should 
> work:-).

Thank you for testing and reporting.

> The cable I used is coming originally from Laplink package and it is 
> clearly visible that the cable construction quality is excellent, the 
> usb/ser adapter is a Digitus one, the "PC" is a Mac Book pro using Win10 
> with Parallels...and finally QPC.

When I was testing USB-SER adaptors, it was PC to PC. It could be that
not having USB-SER adaptors on _both_ sides improves chances. Also I
seem to remeber that the "good" one I found back then was also Digitus.

By the way, did anyone have success with SERNET on Qemulator?

Peter
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

2018-01-21 Thread pjwitte via Ql-Users

On 21/01/2018 10:26, Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users wrote:

Must be a pretty ancient Mac Book Pro if it still has a serial port. 
Mine is from 2008 and doesnt.
<> the "PC" is a Mac Book pro using Win10 with Parallels...and 
finally QPC. 

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

2018-01-21 Thread Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users

Hi,

I have done a sufficient number of experiment in copying and executing 
files over the sernet@230400 to say that it is working.


I copied also some files over the net, bigger than 1Mb, and then 
compared byte by byte. I would like to say that @230400 sernet should 
work:-).


The cable I used is coming originally from Laplink package and it is 
clearly visible that the cable construction quality is excellent, the 
usb/ser adapter is a Digitus one, the "PC" is a Mac Book pro using Win10 
with Parallels...and finally QPC.


Fabrizio


On 21/01/2018 01:11, Peter Graf via Ql-Users wrote:

My experience is that internal SER cards for PC tend to work reliably at
up to 230 kBaud without handshake, while most USB-SER coverters don't.

Usually you notice it only during long file transfers.

Am 21.01.2018 um 00:11 schrieb Dave Park via Ql-Users:

Once you're up into 230k territory, the quality of the cable starts making
an extraordinary difference, even if there is UART support for that speed.

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Peter Graf via Ql-Users <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:


Hi Fabrizio,


configuring the driver in Win10 there are available different predefined
speeds, including 460800, so I assume it should work at least from PC

side.

I know, but that tells nothing about what the adaptor can physically
hanlde. I have a lot of experience with that, unfortunately. Nine out of
ten adaptors which allow to select such high speeds, can't even handle
230 kBaud PC to PC reliably.

Peter
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

2018-01-20 Thread Peter Graf via Ql-Users
My experience is that internal SER cards for PC tend to work reliably at
up to 230 kBaud without handshake, while most USB-SER coverters don't.

Usually you notice it only during long file transfers.

Am 21.01.2018 um 00:11 schrieb Dave Park via Ql-Users:
> Once you're up into 230k territory, the quality of the cable starts making
> an extraordinary difference, even if there is UART support for that speed.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Peter Graf via Ql-Users <
> ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Fabrizio,
>>
>>> configuring the driver in Win10 there are available different predefined
>>> speeds, including 460800, so I assume it should work at least from PC
>> side.
>>
>> I know, but that tells nothing about what the adaptor can physically
>> hanlde. I have a lot of experience with that, unfortunately. Nine out of
>> ten adaptors which allow to select such high speeds, can't even handle
>> 230 kBaud PC to PC reliably.
>>
>> Peter
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

2018-01-20 Thread Dave Park via Ql-Users
Once you're up into 230k territory, the quality of the cable starts making
an extraordinary difference, even if there is UART support for that speed.

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 3:25 PM, Peter Graf via Ql-Users <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:

> Hi Fabrizio,
>
> > configuring the driver in Win10 there are available different predefined
> > speeds, including 460800, so I assume it should work at least from PC
> side.
>
> I know, but that tells nothing about what the adaptor can physically
> hanlde. I have a lot of experience with that, unfortunately. Nine out of
> ten adaptors which allow to select such high speeds, can't even handle
> 230 kBaud PC to PC reliably.
>
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

2018-01-20 Thread Peter Graf via Ql-Users
Hi Fabrizio,

> configuring the driver in Win10 there are available different predefined 
> speeds, including 460800, so I assume it should work at least from PC side.

I know, but that tells nothing about what the adaptor can physically
hanlde. I have a lot of experience with that, unfortunately. Nine out of
ten adaptors which allow to select such high speeds, can't even handle
230 kBaud PC to PC reliably.

Peter
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

2018-01-20 Thread Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users

Peter,

configuring the driver in Win10 there are available different predefined 
speeds, including 460800, so I assume it should work at least from PC side.


Ciao


On 20/01/2018 18:00, Peter Graf wrote:

Hi Fabrizio,


Now playing with SMSQ/E sources, according Wolfgang suggestion (Thanks)

How do you come to the idea your SER-USB adaptor supports 460 kBaud,
even PC to PC?

The required RS-232 line drivers are very seldom!
Peter




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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

2018-01-20 Thread Dave Park via Ql-Users
I'm just happy that 230k has been shown to be physically possible on the
Q68 hardware. When mine comes, I'll test it with my Q68 wifi/bluetooth
dongle. If it works, I might make that the default configuration. I mean,
it is literally 2x as fast.

My serial wifi dongle and GPIO card (details on the QL Forum) will be
available February 14th and cost £39.

For those who don't follow the QL Forum, I am releasing a significant new
item of hardware every week or two. So far, a buck regulator for £7,
Minerva ROMs on carrier boards for £5, the last of the first batch of
miniplanes (now sold out), a Q68 wifi, bluetooth and GPIO dongle with
encryption engine, which can access secure sites, do DNS resolution, and is
working internet on your Q68, Q40 or Q60. A QL version will be available in
probably 2-3 months once more testing is done (but the 9600baud effective
useful limit makes it a bit unpleasant for anything but moving small
amounts of data).

I have two *HUGE* new items coming up in the next few weeks :D

All items go on sale February 14th, and will only be sold if in stock,
ready to ship. Flat rate shipping from the US is £10, so this lets people
order multiple items for a single shipping cost. All mail send by tracked
express mail.


On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Peter Graf via Ql-Users <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:

> Hi Fabrizio,
>
> > Now playing with SMSQ/E sources, according Wolfgang suggestion
> (Thanks)
>
> How do you come to the idea your SER-USB adaptor supports 460 kBaud,
> even PC to PC?
>
> The required RS-232 line drivers are very seldom!
> Peter
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

2018-01-20 Thread Peter Graf via Ql-Users
Hi Fabrizio,

> Now playing with SMSQ/E sources, according Wolfgang suggestion (Thanks)

How do you come to the idea your SER-USB adaptor supports 460 kBaud,
even PC to PC?

The required RS-232 line drivers are very seldom!
Peter

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

2018-01-20 Thread Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users
So far, I used 230400 in a reliable way (not extensively tested...), i 
did not notice anything wrong, moreover this speed (230400) it is a 
reasonable compromise vs response time expected, 115200 is a bit slow 
for my taste. The setting I used on PC side was 8bit data and no flow 
control. Sernet I use is version 2.25, btw is a newer version somewhere 
available?


Now playing with SMSQ/E sources, according Wolfgang suggestion (Thanks)

Fabrizio


On 20/01/2018 13:04, Derek via Ql-Users wrote:

Hi,
When using Q68 to QPC2 on a PC using Sernet, I have found it is the PC serial 
port that limits the serial port speed to 115200 Baud.
But Q68 to Q68 can achieve higher serial speeds.
Sernet requires RTS/CTS for flow control, which on the Q68 is pulled high and 
not available.
Pity the Sernet source code was not available so a software flow control could 
used like XON/XOFF.
But on saying all that Sernet does work on Q68 to QPC2, QXL. Not tried Atari ST 
QL emulator yet.
RegardsDerek
 Original message From: Peter Graf via Ql-Users 
<ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> Date: 20/01/2018  11:19  (GMT+00:00) To: 
ql-us...@q-v-d.com Cc: Peter Graf <pg...@q40.de> Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud
Hi Fabrizio,


Finally what is the theoretically max ser speed of the Q68 is?

460 kBaud for the hardware itself (UART and RS-232 driver). But for the
overall system, max. 115 kBaud is specified in the Manual. Beyond that
it has not been sufficiently tested.

Please note that many USB-SER converters for PC start getting unreliable
at 230 kBaud already.

Peter
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

2018-01-20 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users

NB : you would also have to add a new prescale value at label prescale
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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

2018-01-20 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users

Hi Fabrizio,

you can find that in smsq_q68_spp_ser_asm.

There , if you want, you can extend the little table at label "bauds" 
beyond 230400. Also change the value of "moveq #8,d3" just above the 
label bd_lp, probably to 9 if you only add one more value.


HTH

Wolfgang.






Hi all,

I have (finally) found some time to check Sernet connection between my 
Q68 and QPC under Win10 (Mac Book using Parallel). To get COM1 I use a 
USB-> RS232 converter


As expected Sernet works perfectly until 230400 Baud (19200*12), to get 
more speed I tried  460800 (19200*24) but I got a "not implemented 
error". All speed more than 230400 get a not implementation error in any 
SMSQ/E system (QPC /Q68/Q60). I think that SMSQmulator don't have SER 
driver.


I had a look at the SMSQE 3.32 sources and there are 2 "baud.asm" in 
smsq/spp and sbext/ext but i cannot find where the speed check is.


Finally what is the theoretically max ser speed of the Q68 is? and where 
the SMSQ/e check this ?


Many thanks to any of the Guru that would like to answer:-):-)

Regards

Fabrizio

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

2018-01-20 Thread pjwitte via Ql-Users

On 20/01/2018 13:04, Derek via Ql-Users wrote:


<> Not tried Atari ST QL emulator yet.
The QVME graphics card used with the ST has a fast serial port. I got 
the best speeds with that. 230k, I believe, between my Mega ST + QVME 
and a PC (in the days when PCs had real serial ports).


Per

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Re: [Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

2018-01-20 Thread Peter Graf via Ql-Users
Hi Fabrizio,

> Finally what is the theoretically max ser speed of the Q68 is?

460 kBaud for the hardware itself (UART and RS-232 driver). But for the
overall system, max. 115 kBaud is specified in the Manual. Beyond that
it has not been sufficiently tested.

Please note that many USB-SER converters for PC start getting unreliable
at 230 kBaud already.

Peter
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[Ql-Users] Q68 Baud

2018-01-20 Thread Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users

Hi all,

I have (finally) found some time to check Sernet connection between my 
Q68 and QPC under Win10 (Mac Book using Parallel). To get COM1 I use a 
USB-> RS232 converter


As expected Sernet works perfectly until 230400 Baud (19200*12), to get 
more speed I tried  460800 (19200*24) but I got a "not implemented 
error". All speed more than 230400 get a not implementation error in any 
SMSQ/E system (QPC /Q68/Q60). I think that SMSQmulator don't have SER 
driver.


I had a look at the SMSQE 3.32 sources and there are 2 "baud.asm" in 
smsq/spp and sbext/ext but i cannot find where the speed check is.


Finally what is the theoretically max ser speed of the Q68 is? and where 
the SMSQ/e check this ?


Many thanks to any of the Guru that would like to answer:-):-)

Regards

Fabrizio

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