Re: [Ql-Users] Fwd: [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and running content

[Dilwyn Jones]

Lee Privett wrote:


Well I hope so, even if you're not a QUANTA member but still a QL
enthusiast, I believe that every additional hint/quote/comment or thought
dropped on to the Raspberry  Pi website forum or directly in an email to 
one
of the people there adds the chance to get others on board in supporting 
the

QL and SuperBASIC being a noted part of this hardware, stimulating young
people all over the world in to the joys of QL programming. Incidentally I
have recently got a copy (finally) of Jan Jones' definitive guide (QUANTA
version) and found it takes a total of just over fours to read cover to
cover (2 hours on the plane going, 2 hours on the plane back) and found a
good quote I really liked, "SuperBASIC is a language designed by 
programmers

for programmers"

Well said, Lee.

I can't remember where I read it, but there's a fascinating story somewhere 
about Jan Jones and the history of SuperBASIC. It might have been either in 
Tony Tebby's articles in QL Today, or possibly in the Sinclair history 
articles on Chris Owen's Wordl of Spectrum Spectrum and QL site, where the 
implication was that had Jan Jones not been willing to write SuperBASIC 
largely in her own time (there's faith for you), it might never have seen 
the light of day in a QL from Sinclair, or at least not in its eventual 
released form. SuperBASIC in its day (and still is to a great extent) a 
wonderful BASIC interpreter for home computers and of course since then 
SBASIC has built on this to become a "Super-Duper BASIC" if you like.


Dilwyn Jones 




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Re: [Ql-Users] Fwd: [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and running content

[Lee Privett]

Well I hope so, even if you're not a QUANTA member but still a QL
enthusiast, I believe that every additional hint/quote/comment or thought
dropped on to the Raspberry  Pi website forum or directly in an email to one
of the people there adds the chance to get others on board in supporting the
QL and SuperBASIC being a noted part of this hardware, stimulating young
people all over the world in to the joys of QL programming. Incidentally I
have recently got a copy (finally) of Jan Jones' definitive guide (QUANTA
version) and found it takes a total of just over fours to read cover to
cover (2 hours on the plane going, 2 hours on the plane back) and found a
good quote I really liked, "SuperBASIC is a language designed by programmers
for programmers"



On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Bryan Horstmann  wrote:

> I've also been in contact with them about SBASIC and the QL on it, and
> probably many more have too.
>
> Bryan H
>
>
> On 30/08/2011 05:33, Norman Dunbar wrote:
>
>> Hey Lee,
>>
>> On 30/08/11 16:50, Lee Privett wrote:
>>
>>> Just picked this up as I have been rather busy,
>>>
>> Me too.
>>
>>  Italy has lovely icecream
>>>
>> Oh indeed it does. And the food as well, yum!
>>
>>  and lastly I confess :)
>>>
>> Good man, well done. The Ql is famous (famouser (sorry Tony!)) now.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Norm.
>>
>>
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Re: [Ql-Users] Fwd: [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and running content

[Bryan Horstmann]

I've also been in contact with them about SBASIC and the QL on it, and 
probably many more have too.


Bryan H

On 30/08/2011 05:33, Norman Dunbar wrote:

Hey Lee,

On 30/08/11 16:50, Lee Privett wrote:

Just picked this up as I have been rather busy,

Me too.


Italy has lovely icecream

Oh indeed it does. And the food as well, yum!


and lastly I confess :)

Good man, well done. The Ql is famous (famouser (sorry Tony!)) now.

Cheers,
Norm.



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Re: [Ql-Users] Fwd: [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and running content

[Norman Dunbar]

Hey Lee,

On 30/08/11 16:50, Lee Privett wrote:

Just picked this up as I have been rather busy,

Me too.


Italy has lovely icecream

Oh indeed it does. And the food as well, yum!


and lastly I confess :)

Good man, well done. The Ql is famous (famouser (sorry Tony!)) now.

Cheers,
Norm.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Fwd: [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and running content

[Dilwyn Jones]

I take it this means Lee asked awkward questions, and then fled the country 
for a while, just in case :-)


Actually, well done Lee for taking the QL message straight to the heart of 
Raspberry Pi. The more they are aware of us, the more likely I guess they 
will be to co-operate to help us make a QL of it.


Dilwyn Jones

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From: Lee Privett

Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:50 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Fwd: [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and 
running content



Just picked this up as I have been rather busy, Italy has lovely icecream
and lastly I confess :)

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Norman Dunbar 
wrote:



Sunday, 29th August.

Just watched a video of Eben doing a presentation. At around 11:45 he
mentions the "best email he has had" in which someone asked if they could
have a Rasberry Pi with a QL emulator so that it could fit inside the old 
QL

Case to make it look as if they were still running their old QLs.

Ok, confess, who was it? ;-)


Cheers,
Norm.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Fwd: [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and running content

[Lee Privett]

Just picked this up as I have been rather busy, Italy has lovely icecream
and lastly I confess :)

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Norman Dunbar wrote:

> Sunday, 29th August.
>
> Just watched a video of Eben doing a presentation. At around 11:45 he
> mentions the "best email he has had" in which someone asked if they could
> have a Rasberry Pi with a QL emulator so that it could fit inside the old QL
> Case to make it look as if they were still running their old QLs.
>
> Ok, confess, who was it? ;-)
>
>
> Cheers,
> Norm.
>
> --
> Norman Dunbar
> Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd
>
> Registered address:
> Thorpe House
> 61 Richardshaw Lane
> Pudsey
> West Yorkshire
> United Kingdom
> LS28 7EL
>
> Company Number: 05132767
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Re: [Ql-Users] Fwd: [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and running content

[Dilwyn Jones]

Norman Dunbar wrote:

Just watched a video of Eben doing a presentation. At around 11:45 he 
mentions the "best email he has had" in which someone asked if they could 
have a Rasberry Pi with a QL emulator so that it could fit inside the old 
QL Case to make it look as if they were still running their old QLs.


Ok, confess, who was it? ;-)

Whoever it was, it can only be a good thing.

Actually, you could probably squeeze the RaspberryPi inside the QL somewhere 
(e.g. remove the MDVs) and have a dual standard QL - an original motherboard 
plus a RaspberryPi running Linux/uQLx in the same box...


Possibilities!

Now I wonder if I should dig out the old £3 Tesco black keyboard and and see 
if a RaspberryPi would fit inside it somewhere (or perhaps behind or under 
it)


No end of possibilities!

Dilwyn Jones 




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Re: [Ql-Users] Fwd: [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and running content

[Norman Dunbar]

Sunday, 29th August.

Just watched a video of Eben doing a presentation. At around 11:45 he 
mentions the "best email he has had" in which someone asked if they 
could have a Rasberry Pi with a QL emulator so that it could fit inside 
the old QL Case to make it look as if they were still running their old 
QLs.


Ok, confess, who was it? ;-)


Cheers,
Norm.

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Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd

Registered address:
Thorpe House
61 Richardshaw Lane
Pudsey
West Yorkshire
United Kingdom
LS28 7EL

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Re: [Ql-Users] Fwd: [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and running content

[John Alexander]

I'm all for the S/W emulation of the QL (good luck to those working on the 
rehash BTW!)
but shouldn't we be helping to promote it as a RaspberryPI and what it means in 
terms of educating newcomers. I'm sure many of us cut our teeth on various 
Sinclair kit it would be nice to get newcomers to learn with equipment and 
ideas that are current. To that aim I've already put together 70 ish projects 
that could be done with the 'PI (or anything similar actually ;) !!).  I'd 
appreciate more ideas, all ideas opinions welcome.


John A

--- On Sun, 28/8/11, BryanHorstmann  wrote:

From: BryanHorstmann 
Subject: [Ql-Users] Fwd: [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and running 
content
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Sunday, 28 August, 2011, 8:28



---
Subject:     [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and running content

    
From:     Raspberry Pi 

    

We've had a busy month! We received our alpha boards two weeks ago, and already 
have a desktop environment and hardware-accelerated 3d and video up and 
running. Work on the final board design is proceeding well. For more details, 
check out our website at: http://www.raspberrypi.org
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Re: [Ql-Users] Fwd: [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and running content

[John Alexander]

Looks like code mod time fortunately it's only in a couple of places despite 
the number of repeats:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3148244/static-declaration-follows-non-static-declaration

Essentially the older GCC compilers were more "forgiving" and now it isn't !!! 
;)
The new task master is punitive of our sloppiness.

Best of luck with the mod.



--- On Sun, 28/8/11, Jiri Dolezal  wrote:

From: Jiri Dolezal 
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Fwd: [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and 
running content
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Sunday, 28 August, 2011, 9:01

> We've had a busy month! We received our alpha boards two weeks ago, and 
> already have a desktop environment and hardware-accelerated 3d and video up 
> and running. Work on the final board design is proceeding well. For more 
> details, check out our website at: http://www.raspberrypi.org

Yes, for a QL emulator...
I already have Genesi Efika Smartbook MX (ARM notebook) with Ubuntu 10.10.
I tried to compile two Linux emulators.
Without succes. Maybe someone more experienced in Linux and C will know, what 
to do.

Qlay just reports "Nothing to be done for ./makegile.cyg".

More interesting is, what uQLx reports:

:~/download/uqlx-17.02.02-21.28$ ls
bench1          insnx.c.old        QL_driver.c    README       x.c
bench2          insnx.h            QL_files.c     romdir       xcodes.c
boot.h          insnx2.c           QLfiles.h      rompatch.c   xcodes.h
BOOT.test       instructions_ao.c  QL.h           script.c     xc68.c
browse_manual   instructions_pz.c  QL_hardware.c  script.h     xc68.h
cond.h          iptraps.h          QLip.c         trace.c      Xgui.c
config          Makefile           QLip.h         trace.h      xipc.c
COPYRIGHT       memaccess.h        QL_poll.c      unix.h       xipc.h
docs            misdefs.h          QL_screen.c    unixstuff.c  xlmain.c
do_install      MK.all             QL_screen.h    uqlx_cfg.c   Xql
driver.h        pty.c              QL_serial.c    uqlx_cfg.h   Xqlaw
dummies.c       QDisk.c            QLserio.c      util.c       xql.c
emudisk.h       QDisk.h            QLtraps.c      util.h       xqlkey.c
general.c       QDOS.h             QLtypes.h      utils        xqlmouse.c
guesscpu_linux  QFilesPriv.h       QL68000.h      uxfile.c     Xscreen.c
iexl_general.c  QInstAddr.h        qmtrap.c       version.c    xtmain.c
iexl_general.h  QL_basext.c        QSerial.h      vm.c         xx.c
iexl.h          QL_boot.c          QSound.h       vm.h         zmtest.c
iexl_ug.h       QL_cconv.c         QVFS.c         vm_linux.c
Init.c          QL_config.c        QVFS.h         vm_linux.h
insnx.c         QL_config.h        qx_proto.h     vmtest.c

~/download/uqlx-17.02.02-21.28$ cat README
** UQLX *


The real documentation  containing installation hints is now in
the 'docs' subdirectory. Yow will need gnu make, X and gcc to build
anything, make==gnu-make is assumed here.
Type
    'make docs'

to build the documentation in dvi,info and html format - depending
on whatever formatting software is installed locally.
Texi2html is highly recommended for the online docs, you may get it
from
http://www.mathematik.uni-kl.de/~obachman/Texi2html/

View the documentation either by
    'xdvi docs/uqlx'
or in (X)Emacs
    c-u c-h i  docs/uqlx.info
or the html docs
    $BROWSER docs/uqlx_toc.html'

If you do not have the necessary software to build the documentation files
or downloaded the package without documentation, the HTML version of the main
documentation can be found in the WWW at :
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bay/2602/uqlx_main.html

The file docs/ql.html contains a list of QL related internet starting points
plus some of my internet know-how.

Short instructions for building it:
on Linux:
    ./MK.all
    make install
else
    make config
    make
    make install

Get Jonathan Hudson's GUI from http://www.bigfoot.com/~jrhudson
if you like GUI's


COPYRIGHT
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DISCLAIMER
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- see file COPYRIGHT. If you didn't receive it, email either of

rdzid...@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
rdzid...@geocities.com
r...@linux-m68k.org

Don't use without reading and understandig it.

~/download/uqlx-17.02.02-21.28$ ./MK.all
-e
...there were some problems:

Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Ubuntu/Linaro 
4.4.4-14ubuntu5' --with-bugurl=file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.4/README.Bugs 
--enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,objc,obj-c++ --prefix=/usr 
--program-suffix=-4.4 --enable-shared --enable-multiarch 
--enable-linker-build-id --with-system-zlib --libexecdir=/usr/lib 
--without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix 
--with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.4 --libdir=/usr/lib --enable-nls 
--with-sysroot=/ --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-libstdcxx-debug --enable-objc-gc 
--disable-sjlj-exceptions --with-arch=armv7-a --with-fl

Re: [Ql-Users] Fwd: [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and running content

[Jiri Dolezal]

We've had a busy month! We received our alpha boards two weeks ago,  
and already have a desktop environment and hardware-accelerated 3d  
and video up and running. Work on the final board design is  
proceeding well. For more details, check out our website at: http:// 
www.raspberrypi.org


Yes, for a QL emulator...
I already have Genesi Efika Smartbook MX (ARM notebook) with Ubuntu  
10.10.

I tried to compile two Linux emulators.
Without succes. Maybe someone more experienced in Linux and C will  
know, what to do.


Qlay just reports "Nothing to be done for ./makegile.cyg".

More interesting is, what uQLx reports:

:~/download/uqlx-17.02.02-21.28$ ls
bench1  insnx.c.oldQL_driver.cREADME   x.c
bench2  insnx.hQL_files.c romdir   xcodes.c
boot.h  insnx2.c   QLfiles.h  rompatch.c   xcodes.h
BOOT.test   instructions_ao.c  QL.h   script.c xc68.c
browse_manual   instructions_pz.c  QL_hardware.c  script.h xc68.h
cond.h  iptraps.h  QLip.c trace.c  Xgui.c
config  Makefile   QLip.h trace.h  xipc.c
COPYRIGHT   memaccess.hQL_poll.c  unix.h   xipc.h
docsmisdefs.h  QL_screen.cunixstuff.c  xlmain.c
do_install  MK.all QL_screen.huqlx_cfg.c   Xql
driver.hpty.c  QL_serial.cuqlx_cfg.h   Xqlaw
dummies.c   QDisk.cQLserio.c  util.c   xql.c
emudisk.h   QDisk.hQLtraps.c  util.h   xqlkey.c
general.c   QDOS.h QLtypes.h  utils 
xqlmouse.c

guesscpu_linux  QFilesPriv.h   QL68000.h  uxfile.c Xscreen.c
iexl_general.c  QInstAddr.hqmtrap.c   version.cxtmain.c
iexl_general.h  QL_basext.cQSerial.h  vm.c xx.c
iexl.h  QL_boot.c  QSound.h   vm.h zmtest.c
iexl_ug.h   QL_cconv.c QVFS.c vm_linux.c
Init.c  QL_config.cQVFS.h vm_linux.h
insnx.c QL_config.hqx_proto.h vmtest.c

~/download/uqlx-17.02.02-21.28$ cat README
** UQLX *


The real documentation  containing installation hints is now in
the 'docs' subdirectory. Yow will need gnu make, X and gcc to build
anything, make==gnu-make is assumed here.
Type
'make docs'

to build the documentation in dvi,info and html format - depending
on whatever formatting software is installed locally.
Texi2html is highly recommended for the online docs, you may get it
from
http://www.mathematik.uni-kl.de/~obachman/Texi2html/

View the documentation either by
'xdvi docs/uqlx'
or in (X)Emacs
c-u c-h i  docs/uqlx.info
or the html docs
$BROWSER docs/uqlx_toc.html'

If you do not have the necessary software to build the documentation  
files
or downloaded the package without documentation, the HTML version of  
the main

documentation can be found in the WWW at :
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bay/2602/uqlx_main.html

The file docs/ql.html contains a list of QL related internet starting  
points

plus some of my internet know-how.

Short instructions for building it:
on Linux:
./MK.all
make install
else
make config
make
make install

Get Jonathan Hudson's GUI from http://www.bigfoot.com/~jrhudson
if you like GUI's


COPYRIGHT
=
DISCLAIMER
==

- see file COPYRIGHT. If you didn't receive it, email either of

rdzid...@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
rdzid...@geocities.com
r...@linux-m68k.org

Don't use without reading and understandig it.

~/download/uqlx-17.02.02-21.28$ ./MK.all
-e
...there were some problems:

Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Ubuntu/Linaro  
4.4.4-14ubuntu5' --with-bugurl=file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.4/ 
README.Bugs --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,objc,obj-c++ --prefix=/ 
usr --program-suffix=-4.4 --enable-shared --enable-multiarch --enable- 
linker-build-id --with-system-zlib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --without- 
included-gettext --enable-threads=posix --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/ 
include/c++/4.4 --libdir=/usr/lib --enable-nls --with-sysroot=/ -- 
enable-clocale=gnu --enable-libstdcxx-debug --enable-objc-gc -- 
disable-sjlj-exceptions --with-arch=armv7-a --with-float=softfp -- 
with-fpu=vfpv3-d16 --with-mode=thumb --disable-werror --enable- 
checking=release --build=arm-linux-gnueabi --host=arm-linux-gnueabi -- 
target=arm-linux-gnueabi
QL68000.h:694: error: static declaration of ‘big_endian’ follows non- 
static declaration

make: *** [Init.o] Error 1
QL68000.h:694: error: static declaration of ‘big_endian’ follows non- 
static declaration

make: *** [general.o] Error 1
QL68000.h:694: error: static declaration of ‘big_endian’ follows non- 
static declaration

make: *** [instructions_ao.o] Error 1
QL68000.h:694: error: static declaration of ‘big_endian’ follows non- 
static declarati

[Ql-Users] Fwd: [Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and running content

[BryanHorstmann]

---
Subject:[Raspberry Pi] August update - boards back and running content


From:   Raspberry Pi 



We've had a busy month! We received our alpha boards two weeks ago, and 
already have a desktop environment and hardware-accelerated 3d and video 
up and running. Work on the final board design is proceeding well. For 
more details, check out our website at: http://www.raspberrypi.org

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