Re: [Ql-Users] QLis30 programme
On 30/10/2013 17:01, Geoff Wicks wrote: I shall be just as happy with no feedback at all. No feedback is also feedback! There have been three items of feedback - all meaty and helpful - but three is not enough. I am, however, quite happy with the outcome as it gives clarity to the situation. This makes life easier for three people: 1: Quanta Reprehensible though Quanta's behaviour has been, they can now state with certainty that there is no evidence of widespread interest in QLis30. 2: Rich Any doubts about whether or not the event he wants would be a QLis30 event have been removed. He can now claim that the financial and manpower demands he is asking of Quanta are at the lowest level. 3: Me I have now been able to take a final decision on something I have been seriously considering for the last 18 months. I shall not be renewing my Quanta subscription in January, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QLis30 programme
On Wed, October 30, 2013 5:01 pm, Geoff Wicks wrote: > So far discussion of a possible QLis30 event has been on whether or not > such an event should be held at all; whether it should be a two day or > one day event; and whether anyone will bother to attend. > > The most important thing - the content of the event - has scarcely been > mentioned. In fact I believe that Dilwyn and I are the only people to > have made suggestions. If we can't do better than that we should forget > the whole business. > > If we are expecting Quanta to finance an event then they have a right to > expect a detailed business plan rather than just a vague idea. There is > no point in having an event that will be nothing more than a Manchester > show at another location. > > To concentrate our minds on the content of the event, I have devised > this little exercise. The scenario is deliberately very restrictive to > avoid unnecessary side issues. In practice I would expect the actual > event to be more flexible. > > The QLis30 event will be a single day held in the function room of a > hotel between 10.00 and 16:00. There will be only the one room available > the size of which will be determined by the program of the day. Only > three tables will be permitted. One for Quanta, one for Dilwyn and one > for Rich. Any other person wanting a table would have to apply with a > good motivation. > > The first thing we have to decide is the target group of the event. This > may seem a strange concept, especially to UK QL-ers who only know one > type of show - a large hall with lots of tables and possibly > presentations. However if you look at shows worldwide there have been a > wide variety of styles. > > For example QL2004 was a day for the developers more than for the punters. > > Recent continental shows have had a small, but enthusiastic, attendance > and have had an above average technical content. > > The former North American shows also had a small, but enthusiastic, > attendance and always included lively social events outside the formal > sessions. > > A few years ago there was a successful event in Italy attended, if I > remember correctly, by about 12 people. Several were no longer QL-ers > and the event was a form of reunion. It included a video presentation by > Daniele Terdina from America. > > A small number of people attending is not necessarily a negative thing. > It depends on who the people are and whether they can produce something > out of the event that can benefit the QL community at large. > > I have used a hotel function room because of access to catering. Do we, > for example, include catering as part of the day's events? A communal > buffet lunch or even a sit down lunch? A structured relaxation session > in the bar? (The bar at QLis21 was well patronised after the show dinner > with some Quanta members becoming Brahms! It buggered up the programme > for the following day.) > > The content is open ended, but has to be entirely on the theme Qlis30 - > that is looking at the past or looking to the future. Thus a > presentation on the QLSD would be on topic but one on assembler off > topic (sorry George!). I for one would like to see some brainstorming > over the future especially in a non QL Today world and I suspect, > shortly, a non Quanta world. We would have about 6 hours to fill. You > can do a lot in six hours. > > I hope we can have a lively discussion on this list from which we can > build up the structure of a possible event to put to Quanta. (Or decide > to do privately? I would not rule that out.) I prefer an open > discussion, but I will understand if anyone would prefer to contact me > privately. > > I shall be just as happy with no feedback at all. No feedback is also > feedback! > I think I have also aired my views on this. I doubt a QL only event would attract enough people and certainly would not tempt anyone who does not own a QL. I would love someone to be there, such as Rick Dickinson (who has already offered) - to talk through how the QL case was designed - we have all seen the drawings on his website and concepts - but it would be interesting to hear his take on this. The problem with just one room is that if you do have speakers, it can cause problems, as you get people in the room who may not be interested in the speaker, or maybe kids, who want to try out a game, and others who may be buying something... (I can dream, can't I) Rich www.rwapsoftware.co.uk www.sellmyretro.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] QLis30 programme
So far discussion of a possible QLis30 event has been on whether or not such an event should be held at all; whether it should be a two day or one day event; and whether anyone will bother to attend. The most important thing - the content of the event - has scarcely been mentioned. In fact I believe that Dilwyn and I are the only people to have made suggestions. If we can't do better than that we should forget the whole business. If we are expecting Quanta to finance an event then they have a right to expect a detailed business plan rather than just a vague idea. There is no point in having an event that will be nothing more than a Manchester show at another location. To concentrate our minds on the content of the event, I have devised this little exercise. The scenario is deliberately very restrictive to avoid unnecessary side issues. In practice I would expect the actual event to be more flexible. The QLis30 event will be a single day held in the function room of a hotel between 10.00 and 16:00. There will be only the one room available the size of which will be determined by the program of the day. Only three tables will be permitted. One for Quanta, one for Dilwyn and one for Rich. Any other person wanting a table would have to apply with a good motivation. The first thing we have to decide is the target group of the event. This may seem a strange concept, especially to UK QL-ers who only know one type of show - a large hall with lots of tables and possibly presentations. However if you look at shows worldwide there have been a wide variety of styles. For example QL2004 was a day for the developers more than for the punters. Recent continental shows have had a small, but enthusiastic, attendance and have had an above average technical content. The former North American shows also had a small, but enthusiastic, attendance and always included lively social events outside the formal sessions. A few years ago there was a successful event in Italy attended, if I remember correctly, by about 12 people. Several were no longer QL-ers and the event was a form of reunion. It included a video presentation by Daniele Terdina from America. A small number of people attending is not necessarily a negative thing. It depends on who the people are and whether they can produce something out of the event that can benefit the QL community at large. I have used a hotel function room because of access to catering. Do we, for example, include catering as part of the day's events? A communal buffet lunch or even a sit down lunch? A structured relaxation session in the bar? (The bar at QLis21 was well patronised after the show dinner with some Quanta members becoming Brahms! It buggered up the programme for the following day.) The content is open ended, but has to be entirely on the theme Qlis30 - that is looking at the past or looking to the future. Thus a presentation on the QLSD would be on topic but one on assembler off topic (sorry George!). I for one would like to see some brainstorming over the future especially in a non QL Today world and I suspect, shortly, a non Quanta world. We would have about 6 hours to fill. You can do a lot in six hours. I hope we can have a lively discussion on this list from which we can build up the structure of a possible event to put to Quanta. (Or decide to do privately? I would not rule that out.) I prefer an open discussion, but I will understand if anyone would prefer to contact me privately. I shall be just as happy with no feedback at all. No feedback is also feedback! Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
