" Once again, I won't and nobody expects you to do so. But if somebody wants
to host abandonware, more power to them in my eyes."
Ehm...I think that this will discourage all kind of publishing in the
future...as our Italian preservation program want act legally.
That anonymous request was real and was sent to 2 guys that in the past got
problems of rights with RICH and republish pratically all on his sites with
other grafic/format ;)
So this is a reiterate way to don't respect the work of others ^_^
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Da: Ql-Users [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] Per conto di Marcel
Kilgus
Inviato: mercoledì 6 luglio 2016 14:50
A: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Oggetto: Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software
PreservationProject
Rich Mellor wrote:
> Hosting old software is more problematic than parking on a double
> yellow line (sorry not sure what the equivalent is in Germany).
Tell that to e.g. http://www.homeoftheunderdogs.net/ They've been in the
business of hosting abandonware for 18 years and running.
> As I have said in posts elsewhere, if someone wants to take the risk
> and set up a repository, that is fine, but I will not be a part of
> illegal file sharing (which is what it amounts to) and cannot take the
> risk of losing my websites and being prosecuted for breach of
> international copyright.
I can totally understand that and nobody says you must do so. But if anybody
does do so, like the Spanish site, then this is fine with me.
> More the issue is the reaction of people when a copyright contacts
> them to have software withdrawn - to date, I have been attacked
> because it must be my fault for asking for the software to be taken down.
I would never attack you, but I can understand that people are not happy
about it. And if this was software you had written to begin with I would be
totally on your side. But it's only software other people have written a
long time ago and I have already explained what I think about this, so I
won't write it again.
> Could I ask what your approach would be if you found (before QPC2 was
> made freeware), sites who just offer free downloads of QPC2, QPCPrint
> etc? Would you have been happy and let them do it whilst you were
> continuing to sell the programs yourself?
Don't muddle the issue. We're strictly talking about software here that was
written a long time ago and which the original authors have long lost
interest in. I still support QPC2 EVEN though I made it free.
> Unfortunately yes - as has been shown by someone reporting illegal
> file sharing to the hosting company of one of the sites concerned
Yes, someone. I really wonder who that was...
>> The thing hit the fan when somebody send take-down notices to a site
>> that has actually put copies for everybody to use on the internet. So
>> we're left with less copies than there were before.
> But the software was mainly software which could readily still be
> purchased online from myself and Jochen.
For example? I only see 3 QL software products left on Jochen's page to
purchase, which is QMENU, Lonely Joker and QD (last updated 13 years ago!
With my help even). And yes, I think at least QD and QMENU should now be
free, too.
> Rather than concentrating on trying to increase the range of free QL
> software available, it tends to be the same 10 titles or so which were
> published by a similar site in 2014 (and subsequently removed at the
> request of the copyright holders).
Who are those mysterious copyright holders? The last request at the Spanish
site was apparently anonymous. How can an anonymous person claim copyright
to anything? I can't imagine Jochen sending out any take down orders either.
> Unfortunately, in the 9 years since I decided off my own back to set
> up the QL Wiki and start preserving what QL software I could, the
> number of people who have shown willing to help take the project any
> further forward can be counted on one hand.
Once again, I appreciate any work you have done. I also have contributed to
the Wiki a bit, but I was far too young back then so I don't really know
most of the titles listed. And will probably never know them because they
have either been taken down or are just available "commercially".
But ok, I will try to exert what little influence I have left to get a few
more titles released.
> If you want to go some other way and do file sharing of copyright
> material, then unfortunately, I will not be part of this.
Once again, I won't and nobody expects you to do so. But if somebody wants
to host abandonware, more power to them in my eyes.
Marcel
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