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Wow, I took that site down about 10 years ago... I didn't remember there was so much on it. It makes interesting reading after all this time. Tks, Daniel On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 11:54 PM, Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users < ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: > Daniel Baum via Ql-Users wrote: > >> I remember your name and that you reviewed QPC2 back then, actually I > >> think I still link to an archived version of it ;) Anyway, welcome > >> back. > > Did I? > > Unless there's another Daniel Baum, you probably did ;) > > http://web.archive.org/web/20010423061524/http:// > qldesign.com/html/qpc2.html > > > I hope I liked it... > > Your critic of the documentation was fair enough... > > >> That does sound like an interesting research field. But isn't the > >> whole field moving towards the "deep learning" school of thought? > > Yes. One thing I recently learned to do is create a convolution network > > using Tensorflow. > > Sometimes I wish I could play with such things. But the problems at my > job are too normal for that kind of stuff ;) > > Cheers, Marcel > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Daniel Baum via Ql-Users wrote: >> I remember your name and that you reviewed QPC2 back then, actually I >> think I still link to an archived version of it ;) Anyway, welcome >> back. > Did I? Unless there's another Daniel Baum, you probably did ;) http://web.archive.org/web/20010423061524/http://qldesign.com/html/qpc2.html > I hope I liked it... Your critic of the documentation was fair enough... >> That does sound like an interesting research field. But isn't the >> whole field moving towards the "deep learning" school of thought? > Yes. One thing I recently learned to do is create a convolution network > using Tensorflow. Sometimes I wish I could play with such things. But the problems at my job are too normal for that kind of stuff ;) Cheers, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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> Hi Marcel, > > > I remember your name and that you reviewed QPC2 back then, actually I > think I still link to an archived version of it ;) Anyway, welcome > back. > Did I? I hope I liked it... > > > Outside the QL World I am actually a professional programmer and also a > > linguist and researcher into automatic language analysis and speech > > analytics. > > That does sound like an interesting research field. But isn't the > whole field moving towards the "deep learning" school of thought? > Yes. One thing I recently learned to do is create a convolution network using Tensorflow. > > Cheers, Marcel > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Daniel Baum via Ql-Users wrote: > I originally bought a Sinclair QL some time in the mid 1980s. It was my > main computer for a while, but I eventually replaced it with an Atari ST > and it went into the attic. > > A few years later I got back into the QL. I used QPC1 and then QPC2 on > whatever PC I had at the time. I remember your name and that you reviewed QPC2 back then, actually I think I still link to an archived version of it ;) Anyway, welcome back. > Outside the QL World I am actually a professional programmer and also a > linguist and researcher into automatic language analysis and speech > analytics. That does sound like an interesting research field. But isn't the whole field moving towards the "deep learning" school of thought? Cheers, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Hi all, I solved the problem with the EasyPtr window. It turned out to be my own misunderstanding of the need for an OUTLN. It now works fine when compiled in Q-Liberator with -WINDS turned off. I can also run it from Superbasic, after messing with windows sizes. Perhaps I can run it from an SBASIC job and so keep the system console with conveniently sized windows. D. On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users < ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: > Evening Daniel, > > Welcome back to the QL. > > I replied to Dilwyn earlier on this. I realise my mistake, as usual, only > when my post went public. Sigh! No worries! > > > Cheers, > Norm. > > On 28 August 2017 09:32:38 BST, Daniel Baum via Ql-Users < > ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: > >Hi Norman, > > > >I (apparently) wrote this about 20 years ago. This has reminded me that > >the > >idea was to write some kind of debugger for superbasic, but I really > >don't > >remember how it worked. > > > >You're right of course about local variables. Perhaps my experience > >with > >programming since I wrote this will enable me to overcome the problems > >that > >I was obviously having then. > > > >Rgds, > > > >Daniel > > > > > >On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users < > >ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: > > > >> Dilwyn asked: "...has huge problems with local variables, which seem > >> to lose their names when out of scope. If anyone knows how to > >reconnect > >> local variables to their names when they are out of scope, please let > >me > >> know. " > >> > >> > >> Could you explain, for the old and infirm (me), how you mean "goes > >out of > >> scope", please? > >> > >> I'm obviously not understanding what you wrote because a variable > >that > >> goes out of scope, in any language, will become undefined, or > >completely > >> missing, surely? Do any value it had, will be 'lost'. > >> > >> Sorry if I'm being particularly thick this morning! > >> > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Norm. > >> -- > >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > >> ___ > >> QL-Users Mailing List > >> > >___ > >QL-Users Mailing List > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Evening Daniel, Welcome back to the QL. I replied to Dilwyn earlier on this. I realise my mistake, as usual, only when my post went public. Sigh! No worries! Cheers, Norm. On 28 August 2017 09:32:38 BST, Daniel Baum via Ql-Userswrote: >Hi Norman, > >I (apparently) wrote this about 20 years ago. This has reminded me that >the >idea was to write some kind of debugger for superbasic, but I really >don't >remember how it worked. > >You're right of course about local variables. Perhaps my experience >with >programming since I wrote this will enable me to overcome the problems >that >I was obviously having then. > >Rgds, > >Daniel > > >On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users < >ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: > >> Dilwyn asked: "...has huge problems with local variables, which seem >> to lose their names when out of scope. If anyone knows how to >reconnect >> local variables to their names when they are out of scope, please let >me >> know. " >> >> >> Could you explain, for the old and infirm (me), how you mean "goes >out of >> scope", please? >> >> I'm obviously not understanding what you wrote because a variable >that >> goes out of scope, in any language, will become undefined, or >completely >> missing, surely? Do any value it had, will be 'lost'. >> >> Sorry if I'm being particularly thick this morning! >> >> >> Cheers, >> Norm. >> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> ___ >> QL-Users Mailing List >> >___ >QL-Users Mailing List -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Indeed Dilwyn, apologies, I was wondering about you having said it! However, the problem is simply my own apparent inability to read properly! Cheers, Norm. On 28 August 2017 09:40:20 BST, Dilwyn Jones via Ql-Userswrote: >Err, except it wasn't me wot wrote that, Norman!!! > >Dilwyn > > >Dilwyn asked: "...has huge problems with local variables, which seem >to lose their names when out of scope. If anyone knows how to reconnect >local variables to their names when they are out of scope, please let >me >know. " > > >Could you explain, for the old and infirm (me), how you mean "goes out >of >scope", please? > >I'm obviously not understanding what you wrote because a variable that >goes >out of scope, in any language, will become undefined, or completely >missing, >surely? Do any value it had, will be 'lost'. > >Sorry if I'm being particularly thick this morning! > > >Cheers, >Norm. >-- >Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >___ >QL-Users Mailing List > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >http://www.avg.com > >___ >QL-Users Mailing List -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Err, except it wasn't me wot wrote that, Norman!!! Dilwyn Dilwyn asked: "...has huge problems with local variables, which seem to lose their names when out of scope. If anyone knows how to reconnect local variables to their names when they are out of scope, please let me know. " Could you explain, for the old and infirm (me), how you mean "goes out of scope", please? I'm obviously not understanding what you wrote because a variable that goes out of scope, in any language, will become undefined, or completely missing, surely? Do any value it had, will be 'lost'. Sorry if I'm being particularly thick this morning! Cheers, Norm. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ QL-Users Mailing List --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Hi Norman, I (apparently) wrote this about 20 years ago. This has reminded me that the idea was to write some kind of debugger for superbasic, but I really don't remember how it worked. You're right of course about local variables. Perhaps my experience with programming since I wrote this will enable me to overcome the problems that I was obviously having then. Rgds, Daniel On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users < ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: > Dilwyn asked: "...has huge problems with local variables, which seem > to lose their names when out of scope. If anyone knows how to reconnect > local variables to their names when they are out of scope, please let me > know. " > > > Could you explain, for the old and infirm (me), how you mean "goes out of > scope", please? > > I'm obviously not understanding what you wrote because a variable that > goes out of scope, in any language, will become undefined, or completely > missing, surely? Do any value it had, will be 'lost'. > > Sorry if I'm being particularly thick this morning! > > > Cheers, > Norm. > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Dilwyn asked: "...has huge problems with local variables, which seem to lose their names when out of scope. If anyone knows how to reconnect local variables to their names when they are out of scope, please let me know. " Could you explain, for the old and infirm (me), how you mean "goes out of scope", please? I'm obviously not understanding what you wrote because a variable that goes out of scope, in any language, will become undefined, or completely missing, surely? Do any value it had, will be 'lost'. Sorry if I'm being particularly thick this morning! Cheers, Norm. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Thanks, D. On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:46 AM, Dilwyn Jones via Ql-Users < ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: > OK, I've emailed copies of snooper and clock to you, here's a brief > description of Snooper, from your website originally: > > Snooper Basic > > This version is Basic source code because I can't get it to work once > compiled. It needs to be renumbered and merged with your Basic code. It may > be activated with the BREAKPOINT keyword. For some reason it won't run when > Turbo Toolkit is loaded. Has huge problems with local variables, which seem > to lose their names when out of scope. If anyone knows how to reconnect > local variables to their names when they are out of scope, please let me > know. Also only runs on SMSQ/E. > > Dilwyn > > -Original Message- From: Daniel Baum via Ql-Users > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 9:38 PM > To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com > Cc: Daniel Baum > Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Returning to the QL > > > Hi DIlwyn, > > To be honest, I do not remember writing either of those, and I have no idea > what they do (although "clock" sounds pretty obvious...). > > In principle, I have no objection to anything I wrote being made available, > however I would like to have a look at them first to do a bit of QA before > unleashing them on the public. > > > Thanks, > > Daniel > > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 11:52 PM, Dilwyn Jones via Ql-Users < > ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: > > Welcome back Daniel! Glad to see you found your software on my site. >> >> At one stage, I had a lot of your programs but lost them in a hard disk >> crash some years ago. I still have two zip files called 'snooper' and >> 'clock' - would it be OK to make them available on my site now I have >> found >> them again? >> >> If I find any more of your QL software I'll ask about those too. >> >> Dilwyn >> >> -Original Message- From: Daniel Baum via Ql-Users >> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 5:51 PM >> To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com >> Cc: Daniel Baum >> Subject: [Ql-Users] Returning to the QL >> >> >> Hello, >> >> I originally bought a Sinclair QL some time in the mid 1980s. It was my >> main computer for a while, but I eventually replaced it with an Atari ST >> and it went into the attic. >> >> A few years later I got back into the QL. I used QPC1 and then QPC2 on >> whatever PC I had at the time. I gradually got interested in other things, >> and then I seem to remember getting my first PC that had no diskette drive >> and so I couldn't run QPC anymore. >> >> During this period (1998 apparently) I wrote a program called Qbase that I >> am astonished to find is available from Dilwyn's site and is part of the >> Black Phoenix distribution. >> >> So, a while ago I thought I'd see what was happening in the QL world (or >> rather, if there still was one) and I found that it still existed and so >> here I am, configuring my boot file and trying to get my head around >> EasyPtr, again... >> >> Outside the QL World I am actually a professional programmer and also a >> linguist and researcher into automatic language analysis and speech >> analytics. >> >> It's nice to be reunited with the QL, and also to find so many familiar >> names still involved with it. >> >> I do already have a couple of questions, but I think they might be better >> in a separate thread. >> >> Regards to all, >> >> Daniel Baum >> ___ >> QL-Users Mailing List >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >> ___ >> QL-Users Mailing List >> >> ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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OK, I've emailed copies of snooper and clock to you, here's a brief description of Snooper, from your website originally: Snooper Basic This version is Basic source code because I can't get it to work once compiled. It needs to be renumbered and merged with your Basic code. It may be activated with the BREAKPOINT keyword. For some reason it won't run when Turbo Toolkit is loaded. Has huge problems with local variables, which seem to lose their names when out of scope. If anyone knows how to reconnect local variables to their names when they are out of scope, please let me know. Also only runs on SMSQ/E. Dilwyn -Original Message- From: Daniel Baum via Ql-Users Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 9:38 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Cc: Daniel Baum Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Returning to the QL Hi DIlwyn, To be honest, I do not remember writing either of those, and I have no idea what they do (although "clock" sounds pretty obvious...). In principle, I have no objection to anything I wrote being made available, however I would like to have a look at them first to do a bit of QA before unleashing them on the public. Thanks, Daniel On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 11:52 PM, Dilwyn Jones via Ql-Users < ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: Welcome back Daniel! Glad to see you found your software on my site. At one stage, I had a lot of your programs but lost them in a hard disk crash some years ago. I still have two zip files called 'snooper' and 'clock' - would it be OK to make them available on my site now I have found them again? If I find any more of your QL software I'll ask about those too. Dilwyn -Original Message- From: Daniel Baum via Ql-Users Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 5:51 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Cc: Daniel Baum Subject: [Ql-Users] Returning to the QL Hello, I originally bought a Sinclair QL some time in the mid 1980s. It was my main computer for a while, but I eventually replaced it with an Atari ST and it went into the attic. A few years later I got back into the QL. I used QPC1 and then QPC2 on whatever PC I had at the time. I gradually got interested in other things, and then I seem to remember getting my first PC that had no diskette drive and so I couldn't run QPC anymore. During this period (1998 apparently) I wrote a program called Qbase that I am astonished to find is available from Dilwyn's site and is part of the Black Phoenix distribution. So, a while ago I thought I'd see what was happening in the QL world (or rather, if there still was one) and I found that it still existed and so here I am, configuring my boot file and trying to get my head around EasyPtr, again... Outside the QL World I am actually a professional programmer and also a linguist and researcher into automatic language analysis and speech analytics. It's nice to be reunited with the QL, and also to find so many familiar names still involved with it. I do already have a couple of questions, but I think they might be better in a separate thread. Regards to all, Daniel Baum ___ QL-Users Mailing List --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Hi DIlwyn, To be honest, I do not remember writing either of those, and I have no idea what they do (although "clock" sounds pretty obvious...). In principle, I have no objection to anything I wrote being made available, however I would like to have a look at them first to do a bit of QA before unleashing them on the public. Thanks, Daniel On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 11:52 PM, Dilwyn Jones via Ql-Users < ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: > Welcome back Daniel! Glad to see you found your software on my site. > > At one stage, I had a lot of your programs but lost them in a hard disk > crash some years ago. I still have two zip files called 'snooper' and > 'clock' - would it be OK to make them available on my site now I have found > them again? > > If I find any more of your QL software I'll ask about those too. > > Dilwyn > > -Original Message- From: Daniel Baum via Ql-Users > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 5:51 PM > To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com > Cc: Daniel Baum > Subject: [Ql-Users] Returning to the QL > > > Hello, > > I originally bought a Sinclair QL some time in the mid 1980s. It was my > main computer for a while, but I eventually replaced it with an Atari ST > and it went into the attic. > > A few years later I got back into the QL. I used QPC1 and then QPC2 on > whatever PC I had at the time. I gradually got interested in other things, > and then I seem to remember getting my first PC that had no diskette drive > and so I couldn't run QPC anymore. > > During this period (1998 apparently) I wrote a program called Qbase that I > am astonished to find is available from Dilwyn's site and is part of the > Black Phoenix distribution. > > So, a while ago I thought I'd see what was happening in the QL world (or > rather, if there still was one) and I found that it still existed and so > here I am, configuring my boot file and trying to get my head around > EasyPtr, again... > > Outside the QL World I am actually a professional programmer and also a > linguist and researcher into automatic language analysis and speech > analytics. > > It's nice to be reunited with the QL, and also to find so many familiar > names still involved with it. > > I do already have a couple of questions, but I think they might be better > in a separate thread. > > Regards to all, > > Daniel Baum > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Welcome back Daniel! Glad to see you found your software on my site. At one stage, I had a lot of your programs but lost them in a hard disk crash some years ago. I still have two zip files called 'snooper' and 'clock' - would it be OK to make them available on my site now I have found them again? If I find any more of your QL software I'll ask about those too. Dilwyn -Original Message- From: Daniel Baum via Ql-Users Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 5:51 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Cc: Daniel Baum Subject: [Ql-Users] Returning to the QL Hello, I originally bought a Sinclair QL some time in the mid 1980s. It was my main computer for a while, but I eventually replaced it with an Atari ST and it went into the attic. A few years later I got back into the QL. I used QPC1 and then QPC2 on whatever PC I had at the time. I gradually got interested in other things, and then I seem to remember getting my first PC that had no diskette drive and so I couldn't run QPC anymore. During this period (1998 apparently) I wrote a program called Qbase that I am astonished to find is available from Dilwyn's site and is part of the Black Phoenix distribution. So, a while ago I thought I'd see what was happening in the QL world (or rather, if there still was one) and I found that it still existed and so here I am, configuring my boot file and trying to get my head around EasyPtr, again... Outside the QL World I am actually a professional programmer and also a linguist and researcher into automatic language analysis and speech analytics. It's nice to be reunited with the QL, and also to find so many familiar names still involved with it. I do already have a couple of questions, but I think they might be better in a separate thread. Regards to all, Daniel Baum ___ QL-Users Mailing List --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Welcome back, Daniel. :) On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Giorgio Garabello via Ql-Users < ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: > Hi Daniel, welcome, you're back home :-D > I still use your program very often. > The community is small but very active, especially in the last two years > there is a new enthusiasm in the air, or at least that seems to me. > > Giorgio Garabello > > 2017-08-26 18:51 GMT+02:00 Daniel Baum via Ql-Users < > ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com>: > > > Hello, > > > > I originally bought a Sinclair QL some time in the mid 1980s. It was my > > main computer for a while, but I eventually replaced it with an Atari ST > > and it went into the attic. > > > > A few years later I got back into the QL. I used QPC1 and then QPC2 on > > whatever PC I had at the time. I gradually got interested in other > things, > > and then I seem to remember getting my first PC that had no diskette > drive > > and so I couldn't run QPC anymore. > > > > During this period (1998 apparently) I wrote a program called Qbase that > I > > am astonished to find is available from Dilwyn's site and is part of the > > Black Phoenix distribution. > > > > So, a while ago I thought I'd see what was happening in the QL world (or > > rather, if there still was one) and I found that it still existed and so > > here I am, configuring my boot file and trying to get my head around > > EasyPtr, again... > > > > Outside the QL World I am actually a professional programmer and also a > > linguist and researcher into automatic language analysis and speech > > analytics. > > > > It's nice to be reunited with the QL, and also to find so many familiar > > names still involved with it. > > > > I do already have a couple of questions, but I think they might be better > > in a separate thread. > > > > Regards to all, > > > > Daniel Baum > > ___ > > QL-Users Mailing List > > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > -- Dave Park d...@sinclairql.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List
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Hello, I originally bought a Sinclair QL some time in the mid 1980s. It was my main computer for a while, but I eventually replaced it with an Atari ST and it went into the attic. A few years later I got back into the QL. I used QPC1 and then QPC2 on whatever PC I had at the time. I gradually got interested in other things, and then I seem to remember getting my first PC that had no diskette drive and so I couldn't run QPC anymore. During this period (1998 apparently) I wrote a program called Qbase that I am astonished to find is available from Dilwyn's site and is part of the Black Phoenix distribution. So, a while ago I thought I'd see what was happening in the QL world (or rather, if there still was one) and I found that it still existed and so here I am, configuring my boot file and trying to get my head around EasyPtr, again... Outside the QL World I am actually a professional programmer and also a linguist and researcher into automatic language analysis and speech analytics. It's nice to be reunited with the QL, and also to find so many familiar names still involved with it. I do already have a couple of questions, but I think they might be better in a separate thread. Regards to all, Daniel Baum ___ QL-Users Mailing List