Re: [ql-users] Source Code
On 16 May 2002, at 13:28, Richard Zidlicky wrote: can you say me how exactly the license requires the resellers to provide support? In our private discussion you went to great lengths to ensure me how they are required to provide support but I can't find absolutely nothing specific about it in this license. Specifically you have promised me that the resellers will be required to fix bugs and hire people for it if they can't do it themselves. I don't comment private correspondence. Personally I am very disappointed by this license. I know. Lets call things by name. It is not a license but a non-disclosure agreement - why you insist calling it licence is beyound me. You would probably save yourself and others lots of trouble if you would look at some proper commercial NDA. Usually a license would give me some rights, this strange elaborate only gives me the revocable right to read the code. Which you hadn't before. It is also worth noting that the license is subject to change anytime without giving anyone even the slightest guarantees what the next license will look like. As are all licences. This means that anyone who will want to do something with SMSQ will have to seek separate agreements with all other copyright holders, not a pretty situation. The license says the code is copyright TT. This a void claim which only describes the current state. The license is designed to taint SMSQ by 3d party code. There is absolutely no protection against patent traps, the possibility to include code without publicaly available source invites all sorts of copyright trouble and there is also the separate agreements I have mentioned above. The license doesn't say it, but from personal emails with Wolfgang I conclude that there are people who want to write code for SMSQ in exchange for future royalty payments. There is nothing evil about commercial software development but we have a few problems here. There is no choice for the users and other developpers whether they want this 3d party commercial code. Rubbish. You can always refuse to buy an upgrade if you don't want it. A bigger problem here is that some of the developers who want to write SMSQ code for commercial interests also decide about the license, basically this license is their work. For me this is an unfortunate combination, it is a guarantee that SMSQ will never be even close to opensource. Right - so the situation until now was very inconvenient because TT, who wrote SMSQ/E also wrote the licence? Philosophically this is a very interesting concept: People who would like to contribute for free do not even get the right to use their contribution, those who will contribute commercially and seek separate agreements will also receive a share in the decissionmaking of the copyright/licensing as a reward. There is no difference between the free and non free developper - all go throught the registrar and are included in the code, or not, as the case may be. Interestingly, not all legitimate commercial interests are served equally humbly here. When Peter Graf tried to acquire the right to give away (for free) SMSQ-Q40 binaries in exchange for a substantial payment to TT he was turned down (not because he offered too little money btw). This means that Peter has no means to ensure that SMSQ will be available for the Q40/Q60 in the future - and that after having invested horrendeous amounts of money into SMSQ development for functionality that isn't even implemented until today. If, as you state, the case is that Peter paid horrendous amounts of money to get some specific work done, and that work wasn't done, then I'd say he has a good case to get his money back. Sorry to say but this is just racketeering. Are you accusing me of racketeering Peter Graf? If not me, then whom? Given this precedens it also means that other HW developpers would be completely insane to invest money or effort into SMSQ without special agreements that will only make the overall situation worse. Wolfgang you are welcome to give us your *guarantees* that I am wrong. I've already pointed out several times here that my job is to make sure as much as possible that coherent versions exist for all machines. Last not least, there is the purely practical braindamage of the licence. I did quite frequently write drivers for HW which I didn't have installed myself, with SMSQ I would be required to smail the source changes for each development cycle to someone having the hardware - I am not even allowed to S P E L L the changes over phone line!! Not that I would consider touching the code with a 100 ft pole. So this is a moot point. If there is 1 good thing about NDA's than its that a closed circle of developers can work relatively free of any hassle. Wolfgang has managed to combine the worst of all possible licenses here.
Re: [ql-users] Re: positioning windows
Dilwyn Jones makes some magical things to make me read
} I've got no clue of C68 or assembly programming but I know that what
} you describe, is NOT the
} normal case. I have been using EasyPtr (Albin Hessler) for years now
} and every wanted positioning
} works very well, before, after resizing, after a wake etc. May be
} you can have a look at the source
} code of Albin to overcome your problem?!
}
} Not always. It mostly works, but some of my Easyptr programs do appear
} at almost random positions after certain events. I've tried the
} absolute and relative positionings and can't really pin down a firm
} reason. Obviously seems to depend on what you use and how you do it.
Have you check how the position was provided for these events.
If, for instance, the position is part of the parameters of a function,
beware of the declaration and definition style used.
This is more blatant with latest C68, since there is a different handling
of KR functions vs ANSI functions.
It has no effect for int and pointer, but for 'short' and other, there
is a difference in stack usage.
Example: you declare a function like
int foo();
and then used it.
result=foo(first,next);
But the definition of foo is done later or elsewhere and is something like :
int foo(short x, short y)
{
}
Then you are in trouble because the usage of foo will use 8 bytes (2 long word),
whereas the definition will use only 4 consecutive bytes from the stack.
The same kind of trouble can also append if:
- declaration is ANSI, while definition is KR
- no declaration, definition ANSI style.
For illustration, get the PE demo code for C68 (from Thierry site),
and make the various program. Most will works fine, excepted the ones
which plot a point on the application windows.
The cause is just because of the style used (KR) for the callback,
whereas the current C68 PE library is expected ANSI style.
Correction is easy, once you know why it fails!
Re: [ql-users] Minerva manual online?
an UQLX user asked me where he could get Minerva manuals. Any advice? As I have a number of user manuals on my website and with the release of the QL Documentation CD, I have been asking Tony Firshman if it would be possible to put copies of his hardware manuals on the site and CD (he has already allowed SuperHermes Lite manual). He said he would look into it for me, a possible problem was whether or not there were still electronic versions of themanual or just apper copeis which would have to be scanned etc etc. But no development to report yet I am afraid. -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
[ql-users] gold card and qubide
Hello everyone, I have a standard ql with a qubide and a gold card. If i connect the gold card or the qubide separatly they work fine but as soon as i put them together (quibide first and after this the gold card at the left hand slot of my classic ql) the ql doesn't boot up anymore. I already tried the jumpersettings j3+j4+j5 and j3+j4 only but it still doesn't work. I know its possible to let them work together but how? Does anyone have a clue ? or do i have to buy an mplane or something like that ? Henk Verbeek
[ql-users] Tandata Modem Stack
Does anyone have a full (3 part) Tandata modem stack for sale (Q-Mod, Q-Connect and Q-Call)?? I have been contacted by someone looking for one. I am also after a copy of the software supplied with the modem and user manual.. Does anyone have this on microdrive or disk?? Rich Mellor RWAP Software 7 Common Road, Kinsley, Pontefract, West Yorkshire, WF9 5JR TEL: 01977 614299 http://hometown.aol.co.uk/rwapsoftware
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Stack
I have one somewhere. Yours for the cost of postage. (if I can find it!) I have the manual and user software on MDV too. Darren BranaghDirector, Wicklow Web Centre LimitedComputer Training, Web Design, Repairs sales Upgrades.Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]Web: http://www.wwc.ie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 2:15 PM Subject: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Stack Does anyone have a full (3 part) Tandata modem stack for sale (Q-Mod, Q-Connect and Q-Call)?? I have been contacted by someone looking for one.I am also after a copy of the software supplied with the modem and user manual.. Does anyone have this on microdrive or disk??Rich Mellor RWAP Software7 Common Road, Kinsley, Pontefract, West Yorkshire, WF9 5JRTEL: 01977 614299http://hometown.aol.co.uk/rwapsoftware
Re: [ql-users] gold card and qubide
henk verbeek makes some magical things to make me read } Hello everyone, } } I have a standard ql with a qubide and a gold card. If i connect the gold } card or the qubide separatly they work fine but as soon as i put them } together (quibide first and after this the gold card at the left hand slot } of my classic ql) the ql doesn't boot up anymore. } I already tried the jumpersettings j3+j4+j5 and j3+j4 only but it still } doesn't work. I know its possible to let them work together but how? Does } anyone have a clue ? or do i have to buy an mplane or something like that ? } } Henk Verbeek } Check the Qubide manual, it has something to do with the available IO zone/rom location. With a GC, only one is possible.
[ql-users] Fwd: external Microdrives?
Think darren meant this to go to the main list. I feel this would be an excellent idea for the emulator users!! Rich Mellor RWAP Software 7 Common Road, Kinsley, Pontefract, West Yorkshire, WF9 5JR TEL: 01977 614299 http://hometown.aol.co.uk/rwapsoftware ---BeginMessage--- This last email or Rich's just gave me an idea. Is there a market for a microdrive set up that can be accessed via QPC or newer QL setups? Something like the parallel port CD-RW's you see for PC's, but with microdrives instead!! I for one would love to be able to access my microdrives from QPC. Now, all we need is someone to design one and write the drivers..:-)) Is it do-able? A USB powered external Microdrive box.Hmm!!! Darren BranaghDirector, Wicklow Web Centre LimitedComputer Training, Web Design, Repairs sales Upgrades.Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]Web: http://www.wwc.ie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Tandata Modem Stack Oohh yes please - send me the stack, manual and cartridge please. Let me know how much I owe you and I will send a cheque as soon as possible.Do you have a QL you could make a copy of the cartridge on I wonder... not too many people still have original QLs!!Rich Mellor RWAP Software7 Common Road, Kinsley, Pontefract, West Yorkshire, WF9 5JRTEL: 01977 614299http://hometown.aol.co.uk/rwapsoftware ---End Message---
RE: [ql-users] gold card and qubide
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Namens Jerome Grimbert Verzonden: vrijdag 17 mei 2002 16:37 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: [ql-users] gold card and qubide henk verbeek makes some magical things to make me read } Hello everyone, } } I have a standard ql with a qubide and a gold card. If i connect the gold } card or the qubide separatly they work fine but as soon as i put them } together (quibide first and after this the gold card at the left hand slot } of my classic ql) the ql doesn't boot up anymore. } I already tried the jumpersettings j3+j4+j5 and j3+j4 only but it still } doesn't work. I know its possible to let them work together but how? Does } anyone have a clue ? or do i have to buy an mplane or something like that ? } } Henk Verbeek } Check the Qubide manual, it has something to do with the available IO zone/rom location. With a GC, only one is possible. i already tried that setting but with no result.
Re: [ql-users] gold card and qubide
Remove the 68008 it is not needed anymore if you have a Gold or Super Gold Card. That normally cures the problem you are having. Ron - Original Message - From: henk verbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 1:36 PM Subject: [ql-users] gold card and qubide Hello everyone, I have a standard ql with a qubide and a gold card. If i connect the gold card or the qubide separatly they work fine but as soon as i put them together (quibide first and after this the gold card at the left hand slot of my classic ql) the ql doesn't boot up anymore. I already tried the jumpersettings j3+j4+j5 and j3+j4 only but it still doesn't work. I know its possible to let them work together but how? Does anyone have a clue ? or do i have to buy an mplane or something like that ? Henk Verbeek
Re: [ql-users] Tandata Modem Stack
Darren Branagh wrote: I have one somewhere. Yours for the cost of postage. (if I can find it!) I have the manual and user software on MDV too. Does anyone have a full (3 part) Tandata modem stack for sale (Q-Mod, Q-Connect and Q-Call)?? I have been contacted by someone looking for one. Q-Celt has Q-Call. Interesting concept. -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
Re: [ql-users] Minerva manual online?
Hi, I was that UQLX user. I hadseen Dilwyn's collection of on-line mauals and noted that Minerva was not include. It seems a bit sad that now that Minerva 1.89 is available gratis, that users like myself, while vaguely aware of some of the benefits compared with JS/JM ROM versions, we are totally unable to take advantage of them. If you do have a printed maual I could have, please contact me privately. Depending on its format/size, perhaps I could volunteer to scan it in and OCR it? Regards, Jeremy [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Minerva manual online? In a message dated 16/05/02 21:54:37 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi,an UQLX user asked me where he could get Minerva manuals.Any advice?RichardI have a couple of spare manuals here (printed format) - sorry, don't know if there is a version on a website anywhere...Rich Mellor RWAP Software7 Common Road, Kinsley, Pontefract, West Yorkshire, WF9 5JRTEL: 01977 614299http://hometown.aol.co.uk/rwapsoftware
Re: [ql-users] Source Code
Wolfgang, I detect from the tone of your response that you are a bit cheesed off with Richard's comments on the proposed licence. I think that he has some valid points which you don't seem to have understood. Think of it this way: Richard has done a good job with UQLX and has it working on may flavours of Unix, on different platforms and processors. It would benefit the community to SMSQ to have it supported by UQLX, and have Richard's Unixy extensions within it as he has already done for JS and Minerva. However, he does not have continous access to all those platforms, and definitely not all the combinations of interface cards, displays etc they come with. He therefore cannot guarantee support, or to fix problems. He helps where he can, and in the spirit of GNU etc, he makes the information available so that technically advanced users can help themselves. Under the current proposed licence, he cannot operate in this reasonable way. He cannot merely do his best, but he has to give an open-ended commitment to provide support -something that few if any software vendors would do. He isn't even allowed to provide effective support -emailing patches, assistance over the phone of how to hack a config file outlawed by the proposed licence. Furthermore having expended much time and effort -and potentially money if he has to buy hardware, or technical consultancy to enable him to provide the support, you can pull the plug at any time by tearing the licence up. This is not the way to encourage the few souls who are both willing and capable of making SMSQ available and useful to a wider audience to harness their talents to our mutual benefit. I really do urge you to rethink this. Conversely, I would be interested to know how you intend to police the licence; it seems to me to be impossible, so perhaps Richard and others like him need not worry. Jeremy [EMAIL PROTECTED] p.s. Most unix distributions include an emulators package these days. Think how many extra users we might end up with (or ex-users that return) if we could get them to add UQLX +SMSQ etc into that package? Richard, have you tried to interest any of the players in the Linux world in this?
