Re: [ql-users] Trump Cards and FORMAT or other OS's
ÎÎÎ Sun, 12 Dec 2004 04:09:08 -,Î(Î) Mike MacNamara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: mmm... I have done this since the first time XP said it needed to contact MS, and the ' MS person' said I could only use 3 or 4 installatins I had 6 PCs networked here at the time. Not an option. Its works on all XP versions, although we also use the corporate version, it is useful when upgrading others PCs, new CPU, Cards, etc. If you think it is not legal, I won't divulge the reputable industry communication it comes from. M I have specific instructions from the resident M$ Officer at our Uni (yes see in what deadly embrace Universities here are with Microsoft that we have a Microsoft Liaison Officer... paid by the University!) that situations like that although possible are strictly illegal. Microsoft has created deployment tools for that reason only, else everyone would be doing it (out in the open that is)... Of course the whole idea of a restoring certain information files across installations being illegal; especially when the software is legally bought wouldn't really hold much water in court but nonetheless it is there in the (very fine) print... It is primarily for illegal users but it's broad enough that covers everybody (trust me Microsoft only leave loopholes in its code, not its legal documents ;-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Trump Cards and FORMAT or other OS's
mmm... I have done this since the first time XP said it needed to contact MS, and the ' MS person' said I could only use 3 or 4 installatins I had 6 PCs networked here at the time. Not an option. Its works on all XP versions, although we also use the corporate version, it is useful when upgrading others PCs, new CPU, Cards, etc. If you think it is not legal, I won't divulge the reputable industry communication it comes from. M - Original Message - From: "Phoebus Dokos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Trump Cards and FORMAT or other OS's ÎÎÎ Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:09:17 -,Î(Î) Mike MacNamara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Not quite. for ALL versions. Quote To perform the backup, follow these steps: "Peform Backup" is the magic word... backup means the same version... quite different from new installations. Modifying new installations is illegal... Restoring the same installation... legal :-) I maybe of course taking this out of context... regardless, for a Beta version that may be possible but not for other versions Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Trump Cards and FORMAT or other OS's
ÎÎÎ Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:09:17 -,Î(Î) Mike MacNamara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Not quite. for ALL versions. Quote To perform the backup, follow these steps: "Peform Backup" is the magic word... backup means the same version... quite different from new installations. Modifying new installations is illegal... Restoring the same installation... legal :-) I maybe of course taking this out of context... regardless, for a Beta version that may be possible but not for other versions Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Trump Cards and FORMAT or other OS's
Not quite. for ALL versions. Quote To perform the backup, follow these steps: 1.. Use Windows Explorer to open the C:\Windows\System32 folder. 2.. Copy the Wpa.dbl and Wpa.bak files to a floppy disk or CD. To perform the restore, follow these steps: 1.. Decline the activation request at the end of the installation procedure, and restart Windows XP. 2.. During bootup, press [F8] to access the Windows Advanced Options menu. 3.. Choose the Safe Mode (SAFEBOOT_OPTION=Minimal) option. 4.. Use Windows Explorer to open the C:\Windows\System32 folder. 5.. If they exist, rename the new Wpa.dbl and Wpa.bak files to Wpadbl.new and Wpabak.new. 6.. Copy the original Wpa.dbl and Wpa.bak files from the floppy disk or CD to the C:\Windows\System32 folder. 7.. Restart the system. end quote M - Original Message - From: "Mike MacNamara" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mike MacNamara" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 2:04 AM Subject: Fw: [ql-users] Trump Cards and FORMAT or other OS's - Original Message - From: "Phoebus Dokos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Trump Cards and FORMAT or other OS's ÎÎÎ Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:13:04 -,Î(Î) Mike MacNamara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Register, Whats that, quicker to copy 1 small file from previous version, stopping need for re registering when changing machines. Perfectly legal. It is NOT legal actually... read the fine print... regardless you are probably speaking of only Win 64bit... I am talking about every single M$ program that I have... That includes Office 2003 Developer Edition (Including Visio Pro 2003 and Project Pro 2003), VS.NET 2003, Win.NET Server 2003, WinXP Pro, MS SQL Server Dev.Ed and WebServer Edition (Both 2002 interim), WSRM, and Virtual PC 2003 :-) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
Wolfgang Lenerz writes:
> > Why? As every Englishman knows, the advantage of English over other
> > languages is that it occurs completely naturaly in the brain.
> >
> "naturaly"
>
The spelling is acquired unnaturally. Take Gholti, pronounced {fish} (gh as
in laugh; o as in women; l is, of course, mute; and ti as in negotiate) and
you have English spelling in a nutshell. Im sure some wise Irish monks
sometime in the ninth century decided to spell Gholti as plain fish and save
the English from their worst excesses. They probably had an almighty row
with the traditionalists who then split off and founded a new community - in
France. Similar tendencies can be seen even today, in small communities,
where traditionalists and modernisers slog it out - only to vanish,
virtually without a trace.
Per
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Re: [ql-users] Trump Cards and FORMAT or other OS's
Register, Whats that, quicker to copy 1 small file from previous version, stopping need for re registering when changing machines. Perfectly legal. M - Original Message - From: "Phoebus Dokos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Trump Cards and FORMAT or other OS's ÎÎÎ Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:27:19 -,Î(Î) Mike MacNamara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: - Original Message - From: "Phoebus Dokos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Trump Cards and FORMAT or other OS's ÎÎÎ Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:51:35 -,Î(Î) jms1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: That is not true... I have Windows XP-64bit here courtesy of the Uni... Windows XP64bit Edition is freely available from MS, with a years free license, either download from MS site, or they send a CD free of charge. It is still in final Beta stage, but another big step forward. Download site http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/evaluation/upgrade.mspx cheers mike Absolutely is however you have to register :-) I didn't :-) All my M$ programs are "Corporate" editions (ie never have to be activated - Including Windows XP) and require no registration! And yet they are completely legal (I have the MSDN agreement to prove it too :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Trump Cards and FORMAT or other OS's
ÎÎÎ Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:13:04 -,Î(Î) Mike MacNamara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Register, Whats that, quicker to copy 1 small file from previous version, stopping need for re registering when changing machines. Perfectly legal. It is NOT legal actually... read the fine print... regardless you are probably speaking of only Win 64bit... I am talking about every single M$ program that I have... That includes Office 2003 Developer Edition (Including Visio Pro 2003 and Project Pro 2003), VS.NET 2003, Win.NET Server 2003, WinXP Pro, MS SQL Server Dev.Ed and WebServer Edition (Both 2002 interim), WSRM, and Virtual PC 2003 :-) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
Re: "Existential-grade" questions however are rarely on topic and since they are "extra-ordinary" these could be ermm... explained a bit (of course that would make them lose their point) but ermmm you know! (I forgot what point I was trying to make here! :-D ) Phoebus = OK.. it was me guv'nor, I should have said - "Philosophical theory emphasising the existence of the individual person as a free and responsible agent determining his or her own development." [Oxford Concise 1995] when I actually said "existentialism". ;-) So here's another quote, with which I should like to be associated - "I am always impressed by the quality of the contributions in English from people for whom it is not their native language." M. Cadman 2005 John in Wales (Duffer at foriegn languages: never knows whither he is right) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
On 11 Dec 2004 at 20:31, P Witte wrote: > > Why? As every Englishman knows, the advantage of English over other > languages is that it occurs completely naturaly in the brain. > "naturaly" Wolfganf www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
ÎÎÎ Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:47:45 +0100,Î(Î) Wolfgang Lenerz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote:
On 11 Dec 2004 at 20:31, P Witte wrote:
Why? As every Englishman knows, the advantage of English over other
languages is that it occurs completely naturaly in the brain.
"naturaly"
Of course... at the lower brain where all the animal instincts are ;-)
heee-heee
{jpebis
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Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
ÎÎÎ Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:24:21 +,Î(Î) David Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: At 19:41 11/12/2004 +, you wrote: >> >>There is no requirement to certify for "Brussels". Self-certification >>is fine, for CE specifically. >Was the rumour around at the time, emissions compliance. Sorry - do not understand the question. What rumours? Self-certification for CE is build into the rules. Nothing says that you have to pay for expensive lab work. Okay, okay, so it was a rumour, I suggested it in question form. The overall intention was to promote a focused search for a way forward - massively unsuccessful ! For now or regarding the intention of the QXL? Cause for now the discussion is ongoing... Just take a look at the archives of ql-users... Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
ÎÎÎ Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:24:21 +,Î(Î) David Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: At 19:41 11/12/2004 +, you wrote: >> >>There is no requirement to certify for "Brussels". Self-certification >>is fine, for CE specifically. >Was the rumour around at the time, emissions compliance. Sorry - do not understand the question. What rumours? Self-certification for CE is build into the rules. Nothing says that you have to pay for expensive lab work. Okay, okay, so it was a rumour, I suggested it in question form. The overall intention was to promote a focused search for a way forward - massively unsuccessful ! For now or regarding the intention of the QXL? Cause for now the discussion is ongoing... Just take a look at the archives of ql-users... Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
At 19:41 11/12/2004 +, you wrote: >> >>There is no requirement to certify for "Brussels". Self-certification >>is fine, for CE specifically. >Was the rumour around at the time, emissions compliance. Sorry - do not understand the question. What rumours? Self-certification for CE is build into the rules. Nothing says that you have to pay for expensive lab work. Okay, okay, so it was a rumour, I suggested it in question form. The overall intention was to promote a focused search for a way forward - massively unsuccessful ! ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 at 14:50:12, Phoebus Dokos wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >> What rumours? >> Self-certification for CE is build into the rules. >> >Well, I remember reading in IQLR that this was the reason for the >discontinuation of the (very popular to the US users) QXL card... I >don't know who started it but I remember seeing an advertisment for >the the PC card that was supposed to use the SuperGold Card and it >said something to that effect... >Maybe it was S.H's way to reduce residual effects from people learning >about the financial situation created by QXL's design and launch.. Exactly. > >> Nothing says that you have to pay for expensive lab work. >> >> BTW Sturat put a QL outfit in a PC case I set up through the emissions >> test when he worked for a testing company. >> It passed emissions. >> He did not try the lightning strike test! >> >> A standard QL, even the US one, does not stand a chance. >> >> I wish we had the US version. US version of the CE I meant (as you rightly assumed). >> You simply have to stick a label on to >> say it might cause interference. > >It's a little more complicated than that nowadays... actually it is >more strict than the CE mark and in any case IIRC in Europe >interference compliance doesn't involve individual parts just a >complete appliance... Indeed. Has the FC 'Might cause interference" declaration gone then? Pity. It was very realistic - users could decide for themselves. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
Wolfgang Uhlig writes: > > That's not too much to ask from native speakers is it? > It is!! > It's like asking a university professor to hold a lecture in words that > children will understand. > > I've got a better proposal, how about writing to the list weekly > alternating in German, French, Dutch, Greek (outch!) etc. ;)) Why? As every Englishman knows, the advantage of English over other languages is that it occurs completely naturaly in the brain. Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
ÎÎÎ Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:41:31 +,Î(Î) Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 at 17:36:17, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) There is no requirement to certify for "Brussels". Self-certification is fine, for CE specifically. Was the rumour around at the time, emissions compliance. Sorry - do not understand the question. What rumours? Self-certification for CE is build into the rules. Well, I remember reading in IQLR that this was the reason for the discontinuation of the (very popular to the US users) QXL card... I don't know who started it but I remember seeing an advertisment for the the PC card that was supposed to use the SuperGold Card and it said something to that effect... Maybe it was S.H's way to reduce residual effects from people learning about the financial situation created by QXL's design and launch.. Nothing says that you have to pay for expensive lab work. BTW Sturat put a QL outfit in a PC case I set up through the emissions test when he worked for a testing company. It passed emissions. He did not try the lightning strike test! A standard QL, even the US one, does not stand a chance. I wish we had the US version. You simply have to stick a label on to say it might cause interference. It's a little more complicated than that nowadays... actually it is more strict than the CE mark and in any case IIRC in Europe interference compliance doesn't involve individual parts just a complete appliance... Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Installation routine
ÎÎÎ Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:38:37 +0100,Î(Î) Marcel Kilgus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Rich Mellor wrote: Why not just put the installation script and a link to Innosetup on a website somewhere so anyone else that wants to do something similar with QPC demo will not have to reinvent the wheel and will at least have something to base their script on Just to be clear here, although the demo is freely available from my web site this does not mean that you can do everything you want with it. I do however TOLERATE this as long as everything involved is non-commercial. Absolutely and its gross neglect on my part that I never mentioned that in the first place... After we had created the demo it dawned on us that we really had no right to do so :-) Marcel was very kind to let us use it, however it IS not for use of distribution of working software and his permission applies to only this and nothing else... If someone wants to use it at home for his own purpose I guess there's nothing anyone can do about it but distribution is definitely upon condition (So if anyone has any bright ideas like ours ;-) contact Marcel first to be on the safe side... it's the legal thing to do and also the RIGHT thing to do) On the other hand I do intend to create a runtime version for commercial purposes. And hopefully I manage to do this soon. *please* :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 at 17:36:17, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >> >>There is no requirement to certify for "Brussels". Self-certification >>is fine, for CE specifically. >Was the rumour around at the time, emissions compliance. Sorry - do not understand the question. What rumours? Self-certification for CE is build into the rules. Nothing says that you have to pay for expensive lab work. BTW Sturat put a QL outfit in a PC case I set up through the emissions test when he worked for a testing company. It passed emissions. He did not try the lightning strike test! A standard QL, even the US one, does not stand a chance. I wish we had the US version. You simply have to stick a label on to say it might cause interference. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
ÎÎÎ Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:19:27 +,Î(Î) Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 at 10:37:30, Phoebus Dokos wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:22:16 +,() Jeremy Taffel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /wrote: Whither is a slightly archaeic word meaning "where to?" wither - to shrivel up, atrophy, and eventually die. The words I can understand, but the context and real meaning of this wordplay (?) eluded me actually :-) He is saying the QL has to move into the present (and future!) or die. Whither - - where is it going? Wither - shrivel up and die. I did figure it out eventually... but he was talking about PCs and a SuperQXL... I just didn't see how it all fit with the future of QL As I said I am not extremely bright and the jump to that mindset was a little bit confusing... :-) Plus IMHO (as I was mentioning at another email) the way to the future definitely doesn't go through a QXL :-) A Windows version of superBasic though is an interesting idea :-) Maybe we should get some pointers from the creator of BBC Basic :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Installation routine
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 at 10:55:01, Phoebus Dokos wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:46:54 +0100,() Wolfgang Uhlig ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /wrote: > >> Hi all, especially Phoebus, >> >> this morning I installed QWORD and indeed everything went just fine. >>Well done! >> Is it possible to make this routine available to everyone in order to >>put his >> own program into it together with QPC? > > >It's only Innosetup actually :-) > >http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php> > >You just need to make the script all inclusive that's all:-) > >Download it and if you need any assistance I'd be glad to help >(although I don't think you will need any :-) It makes a refreshing change from Installshield. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 at 10:39:04, Phoebus Dokos wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >You already speak Greek you know (although in a form of linguistic >"loans") and you just do not realise it :-) Oh I do. I use the _alphabet_, QL _Abacus_. I sing _music_ with _orchestras_. On Sunday, I sing _anthems_, _hymns_ and _psalms_ with an _organ_ in _baritone_ in _harmony_ using my _larynx_ and sing the _melody_ _lyrically_, and I hope with _rhythm_ Must go - the _aroma_ of dinner calls. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
ÎÎÎ Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:08:36 -0500,Î(Î) Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: And I am adding more commas etc here to make that damn thing more readable too :-) I suspect you are referring to the British Empire...; words it did import, but not from Greece... It was the "original" empire (the Roman that is) that did most of the importing... words that were imported at that time, have been incorporated and twisted almost beyond recognition. The words that were imported during the Enlightment period on the other hand, are still quite recognisable apart from some changes to bring them to par with what the Erasmian school, thought was the correct pronounciation at ancient times Besides this, English is not a difficult language to learn at all... It is extremely simple actually, and compared to German or Dutch it can be learned quite succesfully and quite fast. I learned English all by myself :-) (blame it on Black Dog by Led Zeppelin which impressed me so as a kid that I made it a point to learn English so I would understand what the song was about :-) I took issue however, with expressions used, that out of lack of contextual understanding, make no sense :-) The words you may know, but the context is what is foreign. I recently had a conversation with a fellow QLer (not a Brit) that expressed the same idea: that expressions in English sometimes make no sense to other people... he used an example: xx years old... What does that mean? If you're 2 years, then you are old as well? Most languages that I know, do not put the "old" at the end... The reasoning is that if you are an old person you either say "I am old" or "I am old, 70 years today..." or something to that effect... but attaching the "old" to everything, especially an expression that has no comparative effect (ie you're not comparing at the time with an accepted norm of being old or young), makes absolutely no sense logically :-) -At least to me :-) - But many expressions like these, foreigners come to understand... it's expressions that are rarely used, that we don't understand -especially if they're used in a context that makes no sense to them at first- it's a cultural thing I guess :-) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
ÎÎÎ Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:15:29 +,Î(Î) David Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Ah, reached the subject atlast. Are you saying Nirvana is reached already - I thought there were development discussions going on here. Of course not... but hardware development is not a subject that should be revolving around PCs... to pursue a new Super QXL would be as colossal a mistake as the one Miracle made. On the other hand new stand-alone QL O/S compatible hardware is IMHO very desirable and indeed makes a good investment. Longuistics, Sure some Greek, largely purloined by academicians but the Empire imported more than raw materials, words too from all around the world. I suspect you are referring to the British Empire... words it did import but not from Greece.. It was the "original" empire (the Roman that is) that did most of the importing... words that were imported at that time have been incorporated and twisted almost beyond recognition. The words that were imported during the Enlightment period are still quite recognisable apart from some changes to bring them to par with what the Erasmian school thought was the correct pronounciation at ancient times Besides this, English is not a difficult language to learn at all... It is extremely simple actually and compared to German or Dutch it can be learned quite succesfully and quite fast. I learned English all by myself (blame it on Black Dog by Led Zeppelin which impressed me so as a kid that I made it a point to learn English so I would understand what the song was about :-) I took issue however with expression used that out of lack of contextual understanding make no sense :-) The words you may know but the context is what is foreign. I recently had a conversation with a fellow QLer (not a Brit) that expressed the same idea: that expressions in English sometimes make no sense to other people... he used an example: xx years old... What does that mean? If you're 2 years then you are old as well? Most languages that I know do not put the "old" at the end... The reasoning is that if you are an old person you either say "I am old" or "I am old, 70 years today..." or something to that effect... but attaching the "old" to everything especially an expression that has no comparative effect (ie you're not comparing at the time with an accepted norm of being old or young) makes absolutely no sense logically :-) -At least to me :-) - But many expressions like these foreigners come to understand... it's expressions that are rarely used that we don't understand especially if they're used in a context that makes no sense at first... it's a cultural thing I guess :-) Phoebus -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
At 09:36 11/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: "Whither or Wither ?" (referring to the subject of this message) for example makes NO sense whatsoever to me to begin with.. A good point, it is actually an encapsulation of "where to or shrivel ?" Yourself and those you mention express yourselves so well that one tends to assume full comprehension, I have specifically marvelled at Wolfgang L and Marcel. I have smatterings of Euro languages (not Greek) to appreciate how difficult English must be. Ot does offer utter clarity and total obfuscation. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
At 11:47 11/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: I do think that market is pretty well satisfied by QPC. Marcel Well he would say that, wouldn't he. And why not ? It is a brilliant piece of work. and come so far since I last looked at it To this effect Marcel is absolutely right... and if one wants 100% compatibility with old QL software there's always uQLx, Q-emuLator and Qlay Hardware based solutions hosted on a PC only make sense if that is a strictly development platform for a stand-alone device later Plus what's the point? QPC would be about 1000 times cheaper :-) (Plus it supports everything a Super QXL would support.. (and then some) The *only* potential other use for such a card would be a PC free of the emulation overhead, however this would be so specialised that it isn't even worth mentioning IMHO Ah, reached the subject atlast. Are you saying Nirvana is reached already - I thought there were development discussions going on here. Longuistics, Sure some Greek, largely purloined by academicians but the Empire imported more than raw materials, words too from all around the world. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
At 07:29 11/12/2004 +, you wrote: Are you surprised? If you ask a vague question then you must expect to get irrelevant advice (8-)# > The question was narrow, how to do the equivalent of SBYTES, the why and the where not important. I am only guessing, but I suspect there is no such thing as a fixed memory location for general data, as on a QL. Agreed as far as SYSVARS are concerned, but as a matter of FACT there are fixed locations in the CMOS for many parameters. O have no later edition of "repair & upgrade PC" that 12th edition, before temperature and voltages were stored. >Did not Miracle founder to a large extent on account of the costs of >Brussel's approval ? No. The QXL failed. He overestimated the demand. There is no requirement to certify for "Brussels". Self-certification is fine, for CE specifically. Was the rumour around at the time, emissions compliance. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Installation routine
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:38:37 +0100, Marcel Kilgus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rich Mellor wrote: Why not just put the installation script and a link to Innosetup on a website somewhere so anyone else that wants to do something similar with QPC demo will not have to reinvent the wheel and will at least have something to base their script on Just to be clear here, although the demo is freely available from my web site this does not mean that you can do everything you want with it. I do however TOLERATE this as long as everything involved is non-commercial. OK noted thanks Marcel - we wouldn't want to issue it as a commercial program with the demo anyway... It is just useful to be able to release a demonstration version of a QL program so that it can be downloaded and played via the internet in one easy step. Hence, why the installation script is also a useful thing to have Pheobus. We will of course need to include on the page where the link to the installation script appears - what do you want it to say Marcel: "Please note that this script is intended for use with the demonstration version of QPC2 written by [link]Marcel Kilgus[/link]. The full version of QPC2 can be purchased from [link]Jochen Merz software[/link]. The use of the demonstration version of QPC2 is strictly limited to freely distributable software and cannot be used for commercial programs. If you want to distribute a copy of QPC2 with a commercial program, then you can obtain a runtime version of QPC2 from [link]Marcel Kilgus[/link]." On the other hand I do intend to create a runtime version for commercial purposes. And hopefully I manage to do this soon. Yes yes please. Chomping at the bit... -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Installation routine
ÎÎÎ Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:08:35 -,Î(Î) Rich Mellor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:55:01 -0500, Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ÎÎÎ Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:46:54 +0100,Î(Î) Wolfgang Uhlig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Hi all, especially Phoebus, this morning I installed QWORD and indeed everything went just fine. Well done! Is it possible to make this routine available to everyone in order to put his own program into it together with QPC? It's only Innosetup actually :-) http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php> You just need to make the script all inclusive that's all:-) Download it and if you need any assistance I'd be glad to help (although I don't think you will need any :-) Why not just put the installation script and a link to Innosetup on a website somewhere so anyone else that wants to do something similar with QPC demo will not have to reinvent the wheel and will at least have something to base their script on I can put the innosetup link in the Q-Word page I am making now and the script but the latter is really a no-brainer.IIRC in case you want to install say Q-emuLator, you can easily modify the Registry and put the appropriate values that Q-emuLator uses there :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
ÎÎÎ Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:39:15 +0100,Î(Î) Marcel Kilgus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: David Tubbs wrote: Above was stated what I needed to achieve. The answer to the question, as generic as you posted it, is so complex that I didn't even try to explain it. Besides the fact that it's off topic. [SuperQXL] If the latter were the option then it should have the facility to use any PC peripheral through the existing Windows drivers and use the same filing system as the host, yes a big break and no old software would carry over (Tho' I do remember a SOS Xchange). There is probably some bright spark out there that could create a buffer through which any prior SW's IO calls could be translated. Being like QXL it would run a 68x chip for all those programmers familiarity. And Superbasic for the lesser folk like self. I do think that market is pretty well satisfied by QPC. Marcel To this effect Marcel is absolutely right... and if one wants 100% compatibility with old QL software there's always uQLx, Q-emuLator and Qlay Hardware based solutions hosted on a PC only make sense if that is a strictly development platform for a stand-alone device later Plus what's the point? QPC would be about 1000 times cheaper :-) (Plus it supports everything a Super QXL would support.. (and then some) The *only* potential other use for such a card would be a PC free of the emulation overhead, however this would be so specialised that it isn't even worth mentioning IMHO Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
Phoebus Dokos wrote: > As for my English they are 100 times worse than Nasta's Marcel's > Wolfgang's and (don't forget Jochen's). Nah, but even if that was true, your "American" is certainly much better than mine ;-) Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
David Tubbs wrote: > Above was stated what I needed to achieve. The answer to the question, as generic as you posted it, is so complex that I didn't even try to explain it. Besides the fact that it's off topic. [SuperQXL] > If the latter were the option then it should have the facility to > use any PC peripheral through the existing Windows drivers and use > the same filing system as the host, yes a big break and no old > software would carry over (Tho' I do remember a SOS Xchange). There > is probably some bright spark out there that could create a buffer > through which any prior SW's IO calls could be translated. Being > like QXL it would run a 68x chip for all those programmers > familiarity. And Superbasic for the lesser folk like self. I do think that market is pretty well satisfied by QPC. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Installation routine
Rich Mellor wrote: > Why not just put the installation script and a link to Innosetup on a > website somewhere so anyone else that wants to do something similar with > QPC demo will not have to reinvent the wheel and will at least have > something to base their script on Just to be clear here, although the demo is freely available from my web site this does not mean that you can do everything you want with it. I do however TOLERATE this as long as everything involved is non-commercial. On the other hand I do intend to create a runtime version for commercial purposes. And hopefully I manage to do this soon. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeremy Taffel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes .. "Whither or Wither ?" (referring to the subject of this message) for example makes NO sense whatsoever to me. Whereas, for a native English speaker, this is a clear, and succint, while being a clever play on words. Whither is a slightly archaeic word meaning "where to?" wither - to shrivel up, atrophy, and eventually die. So, Where are we going to on the development front, or shall we do nothing and just die through natuaral wastage? Whither, or Wither is a much neater way of saying the same thing. I wish I'd thought of it! The problem is, Phoebus, is that, you, Marcel, Nasta, Wolfgang, not to mention Per, Thierry, and others write so well in English,that it's difficult to appreciate that English is not your first (or even second - in some cases) language. Just take it as a compliment that it doesn't occur to us that we should modify our language use for this list. (And if ANYONE doesn't understand something, whether its technical, or linguistic, I'm sure that no-one will hold it against them if they use the list to ask for an explanation). Native English speakers are also just a bit more lazy when expressing themselves ... I am always impressed by the quality of the contributions in English from people for whom it is not their native language. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Installation routine
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:55:01 -0500, Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ÎÎÎ Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:46:54 +0100,Î(Î) Wolfgang Uhlig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Hi all, especially Phoebus, this morning I installed QWORD and indeed everything went just fine. Well done! Is it possible to make this routine available to everyone in order to put his own program into it together with QPC? It's only Innosetup actually :-) http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php> You just need to make the script all inclusive that's all:-) Download it and if you need any assistance I'd be glad to help (although I don't think you will need any :-) Why not just put the installation script and a link to Innosetup on a website somewhere so anyone else that wants to do something similar with QPC demo will not have to reinvent the wheel and will at least have something to base their script on -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Installation routine
You just need to make the script all inclusive that's all:-) Download it and if you need any assistance I'd be glad to help (although I don't think you will need any :-) Thanks, Phoebus :) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Installation routine
ÎÎÎ Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:46:54 +0100,Î(Î) Wolfgang Uhlig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Hi all, especially Phoebus, this morning I installed QWORD and indeed everything went just fine. Well done! Is it possible to make this routine available to everyone in order to put his own program into it together with QPC? It's only Innosetup actually :-) http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php> You just need to make the script all inclusive that's all:-) Download it and if you need any assistance I'd be glad to help (although I don't think you will need any :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
.. "Whither or Wither ?" (referring to the subject of this message) for example makes NO sense whatsoever to me. Whereas, for a native English speaker, this is a clear, and succint, while being a clever play on words. Whither is a slightly archaeic word meaning "where to?" wither - to shrivel up, atrophy, and eventually die. So, Where are we going to on the development front, or shall we do nothing and just die through natuaral wastage? Whither, or Wither is a much neater way of saying the same thing. I wish I'd thought of it! The problem is, Phoebus, is that, you, Marcel, Nasta, Wolfgang, not to mention Per, Thierry, and others write so well in English,that it's difficult to appreciate that English is not your first (or even second - in some cases) language. Just take it as a compliment that it doesn't occur to us that we should modify our language use for this list. (And if ANYONE doesn't understand something, whether its technical, or linguistic, I'm sure that no-one will hold it against them if they use the list to ask for an explanation). Jeremy ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Installation routine
Hi all, especially Phoebus, this morning I installed QWORD and indeed everything went just fine. Well done! Is it possible to make this routine available to everyone in order to put his own program into it together with QPC? Or can you describe how to do it? I'd really like to know how this works. Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
ÎÎÎ Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:31:12 +0100,Î(Î) Wolfgang Uhlig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: That's not too much to ask from native speakers is it? It is!! It's like asking a university professor to hold a lecture in words that children will understand. The difference is that on topic the discussions use *run-of-the-mill* English anyway... "Existential-grade" questions however are rarely on topic and since they are "extra-ordinary" these could be ermm... explained a bit (of course that would make them lose their point) but ermmm you know! (I forgot what point I was trying to make here! :-D ) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
ÎÎÎ Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:31:12 +0100,Î(Î) Wolfgang Uhlig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: That's not too much to ask from native speakers is it? It is!! It's like asking a university professor to hold a lecture in words that children will understand. I've got a better proposal, how about writing to the list weekly alternating in German, French, Dutch, Greek (outch!) etc. ;)) Dutch (my turn for ouch!) You already speak Greek you know (although in a form of linguistic "loans") and you just do not realise it :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
ÎÎÎ Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:22:16 +,Î(Î) Jeremy Taffel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Whither is a slightly archaeic word meaning "where to?" wither - to shrivel up, atrophy, and eventually die. The words I can understand, but the context and real meaning of this wordplay (?) eluded me actually :-) Regardless you are right, however I have found that once in a while bringing up this subject reminds that fact to people... :-) As for my English they are 100 times worse than Nasta's Marcel's Wolfgang's and (don't forget Jochen's). As for asking for assistance in understanding that's sometimes a weird process people have to go through to do... assistance request means to first realise one's inadequacies :-) And for some people that's hard to do so they could potentially dismiss involvement completely... Mind you that's not to say that any of the people in this list have this issue (although I am sure that on an occasion or two I found it hard to accept that I couldn't understand *personally* and had trouble conveying that) but I am making a gross generalisation here :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
That's not too much to ask from native speakers is it? It is!! It's like asking a university professor to hold a lecture in words that children will understand. I've got a better proposal, how about writing to the list weekly alternating in German, French, Dutch, Greek (outch!) etc. ;)) Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] SMSQ-E and PE
In a message dated 11/12/04 09:50:44 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Even more important, you don't have to use the PE if you want to program in > GD2 colours, although you do have to use SMSQ-E. We should be trying to get > the message over that anyone who has written a SuperBasic program can also > program in the new colours. OK there may be problems if you want to run your > > program on all platforms, but too often we make the GD2 colours appear more > complicated than they need to be. > Quite so. Before the new version of PE, allowing GD2 colours in a window defintion, you had to use COLOUR_PAL and so on to make INK, PAPER etc use the GD2 colours (in S*BASIC). This was a bit tedious. It is now far easier to use the new colours. All you need to do is remember to put WM_ in front of INK etc. In fact when I start up a QL I like to have a daughter basic available in case of accidents to the main basic. I also like to steer clear of its bright white and red screens, so I set it up with some choice GD2 colours of a more staid variety. If this were not dead easy I wouldn't be wasting time doing it! George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Trump Cards and FORMAT
In a message dated 10/12/04 12:25:14 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > As far as I can see, path 3 is probably your course - go for something > radically new and different and leave legacy and compatibility issues behind > because those that want their computer to run a 1984 program will run it on a > QL > and reasonable efforts will be made to get it to work on a Q60 or an > emulator. > That way, as long as the relevant information is available, software writers > will most likely follow you. The most important things to pursue most likely > will be to try to make sure that the major development tools work or are > updated for the new hardware - I'm referring to C68, Turbo, Easyptr, > QLiberator, > QPTR, Gwass and the like. I'm pretty sure you'll find that guys like me who > like to get their hands on the latest stuff all the time will feel the urge > to write for great new hardware if we can. > In this event I would certainly alter GWASS (yet again!) to run under the new system (which seems to have some exciting new instructions even though others are missing). Altering Turbo requires altering Parser_task (S*BASIC + Turbo itself) ans Codegen_task (just assembler). I would expect to carry out these alterations. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Trump Cards and FORMAT or other OS's
ÎÎÎ Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:27:19 -,Î(Î) Mike MacNamara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: - Original Message - From: "Phoebus Dokos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Trump Cards and FORMAT or other OS's ÎÎÎ Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:51:35 -,Î(Î) jms1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: That is not true... I have Windows XP-64bit here courtesy of the Uni... Windows XP64bit Edition is freely available from MS, with a years free license, either download from MS site, or they send a CD free of charge. It is still in final Beta stage, but another big step forward. Download site http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/evaluation/upgrade.mspx cheers mike Absolutely is however you have to register :-) I didn't :-) All my M$ programs are "Corporate" editions (ie never have to be activated - Including Windows XP) and require no registration! And yet they are completely legal (I have the MSDN agreement to prove it too :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Whither or Wither ?
ÎÎÎ Sat, 11 Dec 2004 07:29:45 +,Î(Î) Tony Firshman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote:
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 at 04:11:37, David Tubbs wrote:
(ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
At 16:19 10/12/2004 -0500, you wrote:
Yes very, all I want to be able to do in an XP PC environment is
"sbytes address, length, file"
I cant find any facility in DOS or Windows, no QBASIC
If you are only trying to see parameters stored upon the booting of
your
PC
Thanks for the answer to a request not made.
Above was stated what I needed to achieve.
I did not wish to burden mailboxes with the full background.
Are you surprised? If you ask a vague question then you must expect to
get irrelevant advice (8-)#
But it does highlight a fundamental issue in the current discussions on
"whither".
There are a number of things so simple to perform on SuperBasic, I
have felt the loss of QL facilities for years since having to migrate
to the PC.
I am only guessing, but I suspect there is no such thing as a fixed
memory location for general data, as on a QL.
We know that the M'Soft environment is hampered to a great extent by
retaining backward compatibility, there seems to be heavy pressure to
handicap QLetc developments similarly. You really have to let the
QLuddites go.
Did not Miracle founder to a large extent on account of the costs of
Brussel's approval ?
No. The QXL failed. He overestimated the demand.
There is no requirement to certify for "Brussels". Self-certification
is fine, for CE specifically.
Tony
I do have a little comment to make here... Tony did get what David was
saying but I did not...
Many British QLers subscribed on this list forget that extremely vague
messages may actually make sense to native English speakers but rarely
make sense to many people that aren't native speakers (like me for
example)... "Whither or Wither ?" (referring to the subject of this
message) for example makes NO sense whatsoever to me to begin with... That
of course is not the only message that is vague or tries to say something
some people may not get... there are even vaguer messages out there... In
contrast (and regardless of subject) you will see more messages "to the
point" and completely understandable by people that English is not their
first (And sometimes not even their second) language. Three examples:
Marcel Kilgus, Wolfgang Lenerz and Zeljko Nastasic :-) (Not in that order
necessarily and not only them of course...) Their messages ALWAYS make
absolute sense even when they use abstract ideas because they cater for
everybody ("Anglo"speakers and non-"Anglo" speakers) :-) That's not too
much to ask from native speakers is it? Please cater for us too (we are
here and probably at a greater ratio as well)
Cheers,
Phoebus
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Re: [ql-users] Soundfile
Hi all, there is a new version of my soundfile extensions on my "website". Thanks to Rich Mellor, this should be Turbo compatible now. Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Detecting GD2
Thanks for the download, Tony :) BTW - QWord does cater for German in the release version - thanks to Geoff Wicks :-) Sounds great :) Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] SMSQ-E and PE
- Original Message - From: "ZN" To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Trump Cards and FORMAT PS - in a recent mail someone said that most users that do not want to upgrade to SMSQ/E don't want it because theyt would have to use the PE. To my knowledge SMSQ/E does not come with a built in bomb that explodes if one does not use thge PE part of SMSQ/E, I just don't see what part of it would MAKE them use it? Oh, and I have no doubt that quite a lot of the same lot use Windows on a daily basis am I the only one who sees this as ironic? Even more important, you don't have to use the PE if you want to program in GD2 colours, although you do have to use SMSQ-E. We should be trying to get the message over that anyone who has written a SuperBasic program can also program in the new colours. OK there may be problems if you want to run your program on all platforms, but too often we make the GD2 colours appear more complicated than they need to be. Best wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
