Re: [ql-users] QL is 21

2005-10-08 Thread John Gilpin


- Original Message - 
From: Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL is 21




Do modern computer users do any programming any more ?

Or is it all web pages, video clips and MP3 downloads ... ?


Given that the computer has pretty much become an appliance (sold along 
side TV, Washers, etc), I'm sure most computer users treat it that way. 
The same way that most of us treat our cars, ie. just a way to get around. 
I'm sure the early horseless carraige hobbyists were not too happy when 
the car gained mass appeal.


Indeed ... the way of the world.


Even my Pee Cee is more reliable than the Washing Machine!! JG

The power computers that we have now we the 'stuff of dreams' when the QL 
was launched.  And they have become just another domestic appliance ... 
:-)


Marvin, the paranoid android said something like ... a brain the size of 
planet and all they ask me to do is to park cars .


I'm sure that those that want to program, do.  And those that don't, 
don't.


Well, at least that is where the QL at 21 is still OK ... it is still fun 
to program, and people even know how.



Well, Some of them do!!  JG


This thread seems to have had more impact on the false programming 
presentation than the QL is 21 Event. I expected the dinner booking form to 
be full by now. Come on chaps


John Gilpin.

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[ql-users] QL is 21

2005-10-07 Thread John Gilpin
Follow the following SuperBASIC programme to the BEST Weekend you've 
experienced in a long time:


10HAVE YOU HEARD??? (OK, so it's rude to shout but I wanted 
EVERYONE to hear me!)


20QL IS 21 and so is QUANTA

25If you've not heard THEN GOTO 10: Else: GOTO 30

30The committee of QUANTA invites YOU ALL to a Workshop and 
Celebratory Dinner to mark this unique occasion.


40The Workshop ill be held at the Ibis Hotel on Winston Churchill 
Avenue, PORTSMOUTH, PO1 2LX on Saturday and Sunday, 
October 29/30th 2005 starting at 10.00 on Saturday. This is your 
opportunity to bring yourself up to date with the QL developments in 
both hardware and software. It is also your opportunity to meet some 
of the people who have made it all happen in the past couple of decades 
and you can even sit down to dinner with them on Saturday evening - at 
the Ibis - when we will be holding our Celebratory Dinner.


50Want to know more?

60Visit one of the web sites: www.quanta.org.uk  and click anywhere 
on the QL is 21 banner

   OR http://members.lycos.co.uk/geoffwicks/qlis21.htm
   OR do a Google Search for QL is 21 and you'll be surprised at 
the number of information sites available to you


70In addition to this, the QUANTA committee members are offering an 
individual information service either by email or by phone so there is no 
reason that anyone should feel left out.


80The Dinner Table is filling up nicely so if you would like to join 
us and our guests, just send an email to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or ring John Gilpin on 0161-865 
2872 and a place will be reserved for you. £10.00 reserves 
your place and the full price £18.00 is payable by 14.00 
on the Saturday at the Ibis.


90This invitation is open to ALL who are interested in the QL - NOT 
just Quanta members


100  HAVE YOU HEARD?

110  If You've Not Heard THEN GOTO 10: ELSE Pick up the phone 
NOW


120  See you ALL in Portsmouth on Saturday/Sunday 29/30th October 
2005


End of Programme listing.

Note to all you experienced SBASIC programmers - please excuse any syntax 
and line indent errors.


Regards to all,

John Gilpin
Quanta Treasurer on behalf of all the QUANTA Committee.


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Re: [ql-users] QL is 21 dinner

2005-09-27 Thread John Gilpin

Hi All,

I am now back from Holiday and more than ready to accept your bookings for 
the Celebratory Dinner at QL is 21. Full details are in the Aug/Sept issue 
of the Quanta Magazine. £10.00 non-returnable deposit will reserve your 
place - balance payable by 2.00pm. 29th October 2005 - at the Workshop


Vegetarian Ducks will be available on request!!

Hope to meet you all there.

John Gilpin.
Quanta Treasurer.


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From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: ql-users [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:06 PM
Subject: [ql-users] QL is 21 dinner


The QL is 21 Celebratory Dinner will be held on Saturday Evening 29th 
October and will be in the form of a three course carvery buffet followed 
by tea or coffee. A vegetarian option will be available. More details are 
in the next Quanta Magazine, which is now at the printers.


The cost of the meal will be £18 and we shall accept bookings up to 2.00 
p.m. on the day. However to guarantee a place at the dinner you are 
advised to pay a £10 deposit to John Gilpin, Treasurer of Quanta. John is 
away on holiday for another week and will not be at Byfleet. However you 
can pay your deposit at the Quanta table.


I hope to update the QL is 21 webpage within a few days,

Best Wishes,

Geoff

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Re: [ql-users] Quanta AGM

2005-09-07 Thread John Gilpin

Tony

The AGM 200g will be held on weekwnd of 8th April. That is the week before 
Easter, the next after that is St George's Day and the next after that is 
the May Bank Holiday so it is really the only one available.


Regards

Sarah
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Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 5:55 PM
Subject: [ql-users] Quanta AGM



Is there a date for the 2006 Quanta AGM?

I can't believe it is not fixed, but the site only shows this year's
AGM!

It really does need to be fixed to stop clashes in shows.  Last year I
was in the USA on the date of the AGM.

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[ql-users] Quanta membership renewal

2005-08-09 Thread John Gilpin
Please excuse my use of this forum for the following message to any quanta 
members who may be monitoring this users list:


With the June/July 2005 issue of Quanta Magazine, those members who normally 
renew in July will have received a Renewal Due letter which requests that 
you complete the attached form and return it to me with your subscription. 
Unfortunately, the printer omitted to enclose the form.

   Please follow whichever step is most convenient to you:

1)Please send me your cheque with your full name and address on the 
back - or write your name and address on the back of the renewal letter and 
forward it with your cheque to me in the usual way. I will make out the 
forms upon receipt of your cheque.


2)If you wish to pay by credit card, post your card details to me and I 
will make a form out on receipt.


3)Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will email you a form to 
use in the usual way.


4)Ring me to discuss what to do, on - 0161 - 865 2872

Please accept my apologies and those of the printer for this error and any 
inconvenience caused.


What we DON'T want you to do is not renew your membership.

Thank you.

John Gilpin.
Quanta Membership Secretary. 


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Re: [ql-users] Looking for QL books

2005-07-20 Thread John Gilpin
I have a copy of each of the books you are looking for, among many others.
Do you want to make me an offer off list + postage and packing?

John Gilpin.


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Subject: [ql-users] Looking for QL books


 Hi,

 I'm looking to buy 2 QL books:

 The Sinclair QDOS Companion by Andrew Pennell, and
 QL Advanced User Guide By Adrian Dickens

 If someone would like to help, please write me a private email.

 Many thanks,
 Peter

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Re: [ql-users] MDVs Versus FLPs

2005-07-16 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] MDVs Versus FLPs


 On  Fri, 15 Jul 2005 at 23:52:48, John Gilpin wrote:
 (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED])

 Here's one for the hardware boffins out there:
 
 Like Geoff W, I am attempting to transfer some programmes and data from
 Microdrives to the hard drive on my PC (running QPC2 V3.3)
 
 Q 1 Am I correct in saying that the most straight forward way of doing
this
 is to first of all make a copy of the Microdrive into Ram1_ using the
 command format Ram1_mdv1_ - see Tony F's recent email (and was there a
 typo in there? QPAC2 'format ram1_md1_'?)
 Is that what I typed!  Of course it was worng.

 Assuming that this is all correct in principle, I need a QL with working
 microdrives and a floppy interface.
 
 I have 3 working black box QLs:
 
 QL1 has the MC68008 chip removed and a Super Gold Card plugged in with a
 twin HD floppy drive as flp1_ and flp2_. The microdrives will not read or
 write on this QL (I'm not saying that they are faulty, just that they
won't
 work with the SGC set-up - see below)
 
 QL2  3 have all the chips in and all the MDVs work ( read write and
format)
 with nothing plugged into the expansion ports. BUT they do not have any
 Floppy facilities, and I have tried both a basic floppy controller
(without
 additional memory on board) and a 768K Trump Card on both machines and on
 QL2, the MDVs continue to work but the Floppies both return a Not Found
 error while on QL3, the floppy drives both work and the MDVs do not.
 
 Q 2 Can anyone suggest a solution to my problems? - I suppose I could
 network two machines using the MDVs on one, the ram on either and the
 floppies on the other.
 
 Q 3. Could this be a power shortage problem when I plug in the expansion
 cards and if so is there a way round it? I have a number of expansion
cards
 of various types from SGC to simple additional memory and Floppy
controllers
 with/without memory.
 
 I have already spent numerous hours tinkering and getting nowhere. Any
 offers please?

 Your QL1 statement is confusing.  You imply the mdvs work without flp,
 but don't say. I'm not saying they are faulty!

Sorry Tony, that is a bit vague. What I am saying is that on QL1 nothing
works with the MC68008 removed unless I add the SGC then, with or without
the floppies plugged into the SGC, the MDVs dont work. Could it be that the
SGC is stopping the MDVs working? Should I remove the SGC and replace the
MC68008 and then try the MDVs again? I could suggest many options but
thought that someone may be able to suggest a solution from previous
experience or more knowledge of the hardware than I have before I give up in
disgust!!

Those who suggested a serial lead link from blackbox to PC direct or to
another blackbox - sounds great but where do I get the info on the link
cable, plugs, pinouts etc and do I need to write some software to control it
all? I once had two QL Aurora/SGC/QuBide rigs connected together via the
network sockets with a twisted pair (that's the cable - not my wife and I
!!) and although it was very slow, the results were positive. Is this the
way to go?

Once again, I plead for help. Now where are my back copies of QLToday? -
thanks for the comments Dilwyn.


 Also describe completely what happens with mdvs on -all- machines.
 ie do they spin at all, and does the spinning sound smooth.
 It is all a bit vague.

On all machines, the MDVs spin, the LEDs glow and with some cartridges they
sound smoother than with other cartridges.(the smoother sounding ones
produce the quickest and most consistent results.) None of the rollers
appear to be higher up the spindle than any others. I have even tried
plugging one or two extra ZX Mdvs into the expansion slot on the RH end of
the QL - under the reset button - and although they seem to respond as MDV3_
and MDV4_ in that the spindles run by the sound of things but like the
original MDVs they dont produce any output in terms of DIR, WSTAT, FORMAT
etc.

 BTW often the roller on mdvs rides up and touches the case top.

 Tony

I have always been very lucky with my QLs - plug in and get immediate
success - so I haven't had the learning curve provided to those who had
constant problems and had to find a way round them. Now I seem to be getting
it all at once.

John Gilpin.


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[ql-users] MDVs Versus FLPs

2005-07-15 Thread John Gilpin
Here's one for the hardware boffins out there:

Like Geoff W, I am attempting to transfer some programmes and data from
Microdrives to the hard drive on my PC (running QPC2 V3.3)

Q 1 Am I correct in saying that the most straight forward way of doing this
is to first of all make a copy of the Microdrive into Ram1_ using the
command format Ram1_mdv1_ - see Tony F's recent email (and was there a
typo in there? QPAC2 'format ram1_md1_'?) Is it necessary to have QPAC2
running in order to use this command? Anyway, having got a good copy of all
the MDV1_ files in ram, one then copies these files to a floppy disc and
then use this disc to copy from flp1_ to winx_ in QPC2?

Assuming that this is all correct in principle, I need a QL with working
microdrives and a floppy interface.

I have 3 working black box QLs:

QL1 has the MC68008 chip removed and a Super Gold Card plugged in with a
twin HD floppy drive as flp1_ and flp2_. The microdrives will not read or
write on this QL (I'm not saying that they are faulty, just that they won't
work with the SGC set-up - see below)

QL2  3 have all the chips in and all the MDVs work ( read write and format)
with nothing plugged into the expansion ports. BUT they do not have any
Floppy facilities, and I have tried both a basic floppy controller (without
additional memory on board) and a 768K Trump Card on both machines and on
QL2, the MDVs continue to work but the Floppies both return a Not Found
error while on QL3, the floppy drives both work and the MDVs do not.

Q 2 Can anyone suggest a solution to my problems? - I suppose I could
network two machines using the MDVs on one, the ram on either and the
floppies on the other.

Q 3. Could this be a power shortage problem when I plug in the expansion
cards and if so is there a way round it? I have a number of expansion cards
of various types from SGC to simple additional memory and Floppy controllers
with/without memory.

I have already spent numerous hours tinkering and getting nowhere. Any
offers please?

Regards,

John Gilpin.


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Re: [ql-users] Size for QXL.win Files

2005-07-14 Thread John Gilpin

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From: ZN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Size for QXL.win Files


 On 08/07/05 at 11:23 P Witte wrote:

  John Gilpin writes:
  4Gb per QXL.win file...

 I only get 2GB with QPC2: FORMAT win8_4000 fails while win8_2000 doesnt.
 Even then the file allocation block is a massive 32k. It seems to me that
 4GB must be the theoretical limit for the current mapping scheme. The
 minimum space taken by a file on disk would then be a whopping 64k
 
 Per

 Per is right, IIRC QLWA may have a 2G limit, even though 4G would be the
 theoretical maximum.
 There are two possible reasons for it:
 1) Maximum number of allocation blocks (think of them as a sort of
 super-sector) is a 16 bit word, unfortunately, some implementations and
 versions took it a s a signed integer instead of unsigned.
 2) Maximum size of one allocation block is a 16 bit word, again some
 implementations and versions used signed arithmetic to point to a byte
 within the block, which reduces it's maximum size to 32k.
 IIRC the first error is the more likely to crop up. When QUBIDE was being
 maintained, these cropped up, but I do not remember the speciffics any
 more.
 4G is a sort of double limit as the system implies that the whole QLWA
 partition can be used up by a single file. Since the file pointer is a 32
 bit unsigned (hopefully!) integer, the maximum size of a file is 4G, and
so
 is the size of the partition (64k blocks each 64k in size = 4G).
 The serious limitiation here is that one file always takes up at least 1
 allocation block (even if the file is empty!) and the less serious one is
 that there can be max 64k files. The first is quite restrictive in QL
terms
 as files are, in general, much shorter than 64k. This produces a lot of
 wasted space.
 If you want to be absolutely sure, 1G QXL.WIN, with 32k allocation block
 size is the way to go, it avoids all the possible pitfalls...

 Nasta

Thanks for the advice, Nasta, and all explained so that I can follow the
reasoning. I will do a bit of experimenting but the comments received as to
what should be theoretically achievable is a great help.

John Gilpin.

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Re: [ql-users] Microdrives

2005-07-11 Thread John Gilpin
Quanta has a number of old microdrives including some sets of 4 from Psion
Suite (Quill, Archive, Easel and Abacus) of various versions. If you could
identify the version of the Silver label Easel (maybe from one of its Silver
label companion programmes) I may be able to supply a replacement. I may
also be able to replace your Black label Quill 2.00 together with half a
dozen or so cartridges for you to pull to bits. Happy tinkering.

Regards,

John Gilpin.
Quanta Treasurer.


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From: Ade Vickers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:46 PM
Subject: [ql-users] Microdrives


 Much to my annoyance, some of my 21 year old microdrives (it's actually
 their 21st birthday this month!) have begun to bite the dust. Or, rather,
 bite the foam: The little foam pad behind the tape is starting to
 disintegrate.

 Does anyone have a stack of dead cartridges (snapped/jammed/crinkled tape,
 just simply won't format, whatever) that they'd like to get shot of, so I
 can spend hour after happy our prising the little copper widget + foam pad
 out to renew my dying cartridges? I can collect from South Essex, or will
 pay postage, or swap interesting stuff (if I have any).

 I'm particularly hoping to resurrect my original black-label Quill 2.00
 cart. Fortunately, the only one I've actually ruined is a silver-label
Easel
 cart, which gummed up proper style when the foam let go (this is how I
 discovered the problem).

 Thanks in advance!
 Ade.

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[ql-users] Size for QXL.win Files

2005-07-07 Thread John Gilpin
Having installed a large Hard Drive on my PeeCee (on which I run QPC2) I
would like to dedicate some storage space for QL files. I understand that
the way to do this is to generate one or more QXL.win type files to act as
Winchester devices. Is there a maximum size for a QXL.win file running on
QPC2 and if so, what is the maximum size allowed?

Regards,

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Re: [ql-users] Size for QXL.win Files

2005-07-07 Thread John Gilpin
Thanks for that, Marcel.

4Gb per QXL.win file is more than enough for me! I just didn't want to set
it all up then find I had overstepped the mark. (I will probably set up
three or four 1Gb files and see how it goes. - my BIG Hard drive is about
80Gb in total ).

Regards,

John Gilpin.


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From: Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Size for QXL.win Files


 John Gilpin wrote:
  Is there a maximum size for a QXL.win file running on QPC2 and if
  so, what is the maximum size allowed?

 Actually, I don't know what the maximum size is. I do know that QPC's
 access routines are currently limited to 4GB per QXL.WIN file,
 however. It would probably be fairly easy to extend this to 2TB, but
 I'm not sure how much space the QLWA format itself can handle anyway.

 Marcel

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Re: [ql-users] Spelin'

2005-06-21 Thread John Gilpin
Yes Dilwyn,

It would be useful to know how to delete words from the Pee Sea Dicshunary
witch ar noo longer reqwired. Let me know of your progress.

John Gilpin
Dicslectic Treshur er! (my Spell Checker has just offered Thrasher)


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From: COLIN PARSONS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spelin'



 - Original Message - 
 From: Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [ql-users] Spelin'


  Colin Parsons wrote:
 I think Geoff might like this.
 
 
  Eye halve a spelling chequer
  It came with my pea sea
  It plainly marques four my revue
  Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.
  Eye strike a quay and type a word
  And weight four it two say
  Weather eye am rong oar rite
  It shows me strait aweigh.
  As soon as a mist ache is maid
  It nose bee four two long
  And eye can put the error rite
  Its rare lea ever rong.
  Eye halve run this poem threw it
  I am shure your pleased two no
  Its letter perfect awl the weigh
  My chequer tolled me sew!
 
  John Taylor
 
 
  I may be being pedantic, but how about the missing apostrophe in
  it's, it's miss-spelt with out it!!
 
  Cheers
 
  Colin
  He he, amazing how wrong something can be, yet still be readable!
 
  In my position of editing QL Today, the commonest errors I find in
  written English is the swapping of its and it's.
 
  It's  is of course the same as it is but everyone thinks it's is
  possessive like any other 's as in Colin's.
 
  Its is the correct possessive. As my English teacher at school kept
  telling me until he gave up, at which point I remembered which was
  which once he'd stopped nagging!
 
  Grrr. Who made the English language so difficult???
 
  -- 
  Dilwyn Jones

 Its letter perfect awl the weigh
 =
 It is letter perfect...

 Therfore:

 it's

 Colin


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Re: [ql-users] Free to a good home

2005-06-07 Thread John Gilpin
Hi Norman,

You are probably aware (or maybe not) that Quanta collects and stores such
unwanted equipment in order to help those in need of spares or upgrades to
their machines. I have (together with Rich Mellor) become the repository for
such equipment and if you would like me to arrange collection from you,
please indicate which area of the country you are in so that I can arrange a
trip.

Other list users please note this message and pass on all your unwanted QL
bits and pieces OR contact me (or Rich Mellor) if you are looking for
something specific - Hardware or Software.

Sorry for advertising on the list. Perhaps you will forgive me this once.

Regards to all,

John Gilpin
Quanta Treasurer and Membership Secretary.


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Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:08 AM
Subject: [ql-users] Free to a good home


 I have (approximately) the following kit for anyone to have for free -
well, if you can collect (or pay postage) that is.

 2 QLs (standard) - they are old (JS) and have the obligitory membrane
problems. Power supplies and cables are available. Not sure about the
network leads though - I can check.

 1 QL with Gold Card fitted. As far as I remember, it is working ok.

 1 pair 3.2 Mb drives plus 10 (I think) blank (never used) 3.2.Mb floppies.

 1 pair 720 Kb drives (Or it could be 1.44 !). (At least, I think I have
these !)

 1 Phillips (?) colour monitor with cable to work off a standard QL. Was
working when I put it in the loft. I think it's a VGA monitor so it might be
of use on a PC (granted, an old one !)

 I think I might have some mdv cartridges as well - I'm not 100% sure.

 I know I have DJToolkit on a ROM but I might also have other stuff on ROM
as well. I used to have Metacomco C, Pascal and the Assembler. As I say,
there's a lot of stuff in boxes

 Hundreds of used and new floppy discs. Mostly an old copy of the Quanta
library before I was 'sacked' (in the nicest possible way) when there was a
massive re-organisation of the library. These will be re-formatted before I
send them out (or throw them out - but I'd rather recycle them as they are
mostly used once.)

 There might be more stuff, but it's in a box and/or in the loft.


 Reasons for 'sale' - I'm moving the office (for my day job) from one large
room to one small room - my wife wants to use the big room as a second
bedroom for some reason - so I need the space. These QLs have not been used
for about 5 years as I have QPC (on a stick) which is just so utterly
brilliant, I never need to fire up the trusty originals. Thanks Marcel.


 It would be best for someone to collect this stuff as geting to a Post
Office is quite difficult these days since most of ours have been shut down
recently :o(


 If anyone wants this stuff and feels 'bad' about getting it for free, make
a donation to a decent charity and clear out your guilty conscience. I
support the RNLI (Lifeboats), RSPCA, Cancer Research, WWF (not the
wrestling, the World Wide Fund for Nature). Alternatively, buy a Big Issue
from someone in the street !


 Cheers,
 Norman.


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Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly

2005-05-19 Thread John Gilpin
Count me in for a couple and I expect that a couple from the Nemqlug
subgroup would also be interested.

Regards,

John Gilpin (individual)


- Original Message - 
From: Darren Branagh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly




 -Original Message-
 From: David Tubbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 19 May 2005 16:01
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly


 At 15:40 19/05/2005 +0100, you wrote:

 We will probably settle on buying the 128Mb sticks - they are now the
 smallest we do, which only a handful of 64Mb ones remaining. I think a
 70-80Mb QXL.WIN file or similar would be enough on these, and this would
 leave ample room for other storage uses for the owner.
 
 To be honest though, the fear I have is how many we'd sell. I would need
to
 commit to buying at least 50, but more likely 100, to get decent pricing
on
 the sticks. Typical price when available shouldn't exceed 15 pounds. Will
 we
 sell that many?

 I was wrong then, I thought you were looking to introduce a new line.

 Well, it's a new idea in QL terms, but USB sticks are about for years.

 As to Sticks, quantity  why ?

 Primarily to make it worthwhile. Example - I spent MONTHS working on the
QL
 DVD documentary project. Steve Reyal practically devoted his life to it in
 the same period. We even bought a Mini DV camera - over 600 pounds at the
 time - with the sole motive being the DVD. Steve (a professional
 broadcasting editor and DVD author) designed slides shows, sampled music,
 wrote scripts, and designed the menus for the whole thing. Even blank DVD
 media was quite expensive at the time. Even doing rostrum camera work of a
 QL turning for the menu sequences. How many did we sell? Errr.. About 6 of
 them. Total financial disaster. So, I'm eager to avoid that again.

 Secondly, if I buy 100, I can get them printed with a logo of our choice,
so
 I could get them with a QUANTA logo on, on maybe Sinclair in the famous
 block font. Makes the thing a touch more personal I think.

 Surely the suite would best be moved as a Zipped collection for anyone to
 unwind into any device they had available, so many have camera mem cards
 already.

 No, this defeats the purpose. I can do this after the event for people who
 want the data, but this idea came about as a way of trying to get at those
 ex QLers who now have PC's on their desks. Most of these will have
forgotten
 what ZIP is (if they ever knew) and would'nt want the hassle of finding
out.
 If the idea is to work, it should be a matter of plugging in the USB
stick,
 and clicking an icon - and a few seconds later you have a useable QL
screen
 in front on you, with maybe a BOOT running displaying a menu of options,
and
 programs to run. Dead simple.

 A separate question is if a memory stick is marketable at that price and
 would it be worthwhile to engage in.

 This is the big question. Of the people on this list for instance, how
many
 would buy one?

 Cheers,

 Darren.


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Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly

2005-05-19 Thread John Gilpin
Is anyone else from QUANTA following this thread? Could we offer to buy a
block of them for our members who are not in receipt of QLToday (where it
will no doubt be advertised) and who are not regular workshop attendees?

Your thoughts gentlemen?

John Gilpin.
Quanta Treasurer


- Original Message - 
From: Bill Cable [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 6:06 PM
Subject: RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly


 On Thu, 19 May 2005, Darren Branagh wrote:

 
  Well, that's a probable 4 - only 96 to go :-))
 

 Hi Darren,

 Although I will buy 2, if you think the 15 pounds (~$30) price is accurate
then
 I will pledge to buy 10 if you needed me to. If you can get several other
 pledges then your risk will be reduced enough so you might give it a try.
It
 will be a lot of work to bundle the software with a good interface but I
bet
 there is enough of a market to consume 100 units over time. There could be
a
 linux version too. Great Christmas presents to those wayward QLers we all
know.
 Of course once a buyer has one he could easily make copies for the price
of the
 stick but a logo on yours would make them special.

 -- Bill
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[ql-users] Archive - ALTER command

2005-05-14 Thread John Gilpin
I seem to remember, a long time ago, using the Archive ALTER command with a
list of field names so that although you have (say) all the fields of a
database visible on the monitor screen, by putting only some of them into
the list, you only ALTER those fields listed, ignoring those which are not
listed.

I now cannot find any reference to the above in any Archive book or manual
and I can't remember the syntax for the list.

Can anyone out there help me please :-) or tell me I'm mistaken in the first
case?:-(

Thanks

John Gilpin.


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Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-24 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: Just about everbody who monitors the user list

About 10 days or so ago, Darren Branagh asked a quite straight forward
question about the possibility of there being a market for a DVD containing
an emulator and heaps of QL Software with a purpose written front end etc.
This idea was extended to 32Mb and 64Mb USB Flash Drives with a similar
package. Since then this topic has become so distorted that it seems to me
now to have been downgraded to a general slanging match over who said what
in emails or what was the purpose of links in workshop flyers etc. After
over 140 emails bearing this subject heading, can we please get back to the
original topic? Carry on with the other one if you must, but is it getting
anywhere? And if so can someone change the subject line so that those of us
who are fed up of this exchange can ignore whatever there is still to come.
I for one am very interested in what Darren was suggesting and would be
willing to place any firm suggestions or business plan before the Quanta
Committee if financial support was needed.

Anyone else want to know what Darren has (had) in mind?

Regards,

John Gilpin.

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Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-15 Thread John Gilpin
Father Info Please Darren

John Gilpin.
Quanta Treasurer.


- Original Message - 
From: Darren Branagh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 5:26 PM
Subject: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.



 I touted this idea before in QUANTA, but got no feedback at all.

 I, in my guise as Q-CELT, produce CD-ROMs for the QL. I was wondering if
 there would be any demand (Hah!) for a DVD version - i.e. All of the
CD-ROMs
 I produce would easily fit on one 4.7GB DVD-R.

 It has got cheaper to buy DVD-R's, so the overall price would be quite
 reasonable (a fraction of what it would cost to buy all the CD's
separately
 - probably about the same as one CD).

 Anyone interested, or would I just be wasting my time?

 Cheers,

 Darren.
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Re: [ql-users] Al Boehm had a stroke

2005-04-05 Thread John Gilpin
This message is intended for Lois Boehm and Bill Cable.

All at Quanta were very disturbed to learn of Al Boehm's stroke and on
behalf of all our members, I would like to send our best wishes for a
complete and speedy recovery. We are all thinking about you during your
illness

Get Well SOON,

Best regards,

John Gilpin.
Quanta Membership Secretary.


- Original Message - 
From: Bill Cable [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 7:14 PM
Subject: [ql-users] Al Boehm had a stroke


 Just wanted everybody to know that Al Boehm had a stroke while he was
visiting
 his daughter in California. I think he had a slight stroke first and then
must
 have had surgery which had complications. I will pass on any more news as
I
 get it.

 -- Bill

  I am Al Boehm's daughter, Lois.  I am responding to my Dad's e-mail's as
he
  unfortunately suffered a major stroke while in surgery this last week.
He
  has had a variety of complications and is still in ICU.  He lost use of
the
  left side of his body but still has his verbal skills and even started
to joke
  with us a bit last night.  He even remebered his e-mail password which
allowed
  me to get into his account.  Please keep him in your prayers.  I will
keep
  you updated on any major changes.
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[ql-users] Fw: What happened to BACC

2005-03-31 Thread John Gilpin
This message forwarded to ql-users - original message bounced because BT
have changed my default email address for a trial broadband service. JG


- Original Message - 
From: John Gilpin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ql-users [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: What happened to BACC


 Following up on the thread about BACC.(British Association of Computer
 Clubs).

 As far as I am aware - and if I am wrong, I'm sure someone will correct
 me. - Quanta's original affiliation to BACC was mainly to be able to
 purchase reasonably priced Public Liability Insurance for Quanta itself
and
 its Sub-groups. Quanta insured itself and nine sub-groups - I don't think
 that it was ever documented which nine - for £2 Million indemnity at about
 £250 (year 2000 figures) { this works out at £25 per sub-group}. When I
took
 over as treasurer, the bill for the first year had risen to £600 and I was
 asked by committee to investigate the insurance market for cheaper
premiums.
 I received various quotations and all of them were considerably higher
than
 what we were paying. Some Insurance companies even refused to quote
stating
 that they no longer offered public liability insurance on its own and
that
 it would have to form part of a complete business insurance package. Other
 companies would only accept proposals from each individual sub-group
direct
 and at one point I was offered a minimum premium for any form of
insurance
 of £1,500 per annum. As I learned from BACC that their insurers were
likely
 to double their premiums for 2003 and that they (BACC) were having similar
 responses to their own insurance investigation, I finally took out a
policy
 with Co-operative Insurance Society (CIS) to cover Quanta for its
sponsored
 events, committee meetings and AGM. Sub-groups were informed that Quanta
was
 no longer able to provide PL cover for the sub-groups who should consider
 the matter individually and make their own arrangements.

 I understand from a recent email from BACC that this is similar to
 difficulties that they are experiencing and that at this moment in time
BACC
 is effectively dormant although there may be a revitalisation route
 following discussions with BCS.

 I am sure that my contact at BACC will keep me informed and, of course, I
 have wished BACC well in their fight to recovery who, like Quanta, are
 suffering from a reduced level of membership.

 I hope that this helps to answer the question.

 John Gilpin.
 Quanta Treasurer.


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[ql-users] Fw: RE:Quanta AGM

2005-03-31 Thread John Gilpin
This message forwarded to ql-users - original message bounced because BT
have changed my default email address for a trial broadband service. JG

- Original Message - 
From: John Gilpin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ql-users [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:37 AM
Subject: RE:Quanta AGM


 Here is my response to queries regarding the Quanta AGM, Proxy votes and
 Special Resolutions etc.

 The Proxy form clearly states that any Quanta member who is unable to
attend
 the AGM is permitted to vote by proxy. By default, these votes will be
given
 to the chairman of the meeting although the member has the option of
 choosing someone else (another member) by deleting the Chairman and
 inserting someone else's full name and address in the space provided. If
 your vote is decided beforehand then you should indicate your choice by
 ticking the relevant boxes OR you can appoint your proxy voter to vote in
 whatever way he/she feels fit at the time. Time is now running very short
 for you to effectively use your vote. I am sure that the Secretary (John
 Southern) will be only too pleased to help you register your vote for the
 AGM.

 Special Resolution Number 1.

 Cutting out the wording regarding how the various paragraphs will be
 renumbered, this resolution boils down to in order to improve the balance
 between continuity and refreshment of the Quanta committee it is suggested
 that no member shall serve on the committee for more than six years
without
 standing down for one year before seeking re-appointment.

 This means that the committee member has the time to reflect on whether
 he/she wishes to continue on the committee and also offers the committee
 position to another member who would like to offer their services.(without
 actively challenging the current committee member for his place on the
 committee.)

 The rest of the resolution covers any situations to avoid all the
committee
 members standing down at the same time and to decide who's turn it is to
 stand down at any given point in time.

 Special resolution Number 2.

 Since Quanta is aware that it is very expensive to run a large committee
 whose members live mainly throughout the UK, it has been noted that the
 current constitution states that a quorum of four persons must be present
at
 any committee meeting. This is getting difficult to arrange - with a
 committee size reduced to six members and this resolution provides for a
 varying quorum. It proposes a minimum of two members or one half of the
 number of committee members (whichever is the greater) and the
constitution
 already states that one of those attending should be an officer (Chairman,
 Secretary or Treasurer).

 Availability of Current copies of the Constitution:

 When the Constitution is changed, it is updated on the Library Guide
 (LibGuide - disk LG01) as a series of Quill document pages and
notification
 of such a change is noted in the next available Quanta Magazine. This
 Library disk - like other disks - is available either from the librarian
in
 the usual way or by purchasing the library CD - available from the
librarian
 or at most Quanta Sponsored Workshops.(Price £10.00 inc Post and Pkg.) The
 library CD is updated every year in time for the AGM.

 If anyone has any further questions regarding the AGM etc. please ask.

 Regards,

 John Gilpin.
 Quanta Treasurer.


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Re: [ql-users] QL on offer

2005-03-07 Thread John Gilpin
Quanta are always on the lookout for such unwanted items so that we can help
users who have come unstuck and also add to the Quanta Accumulated fund - to
benefit all!!

I will contact Alan directly and try to arrange a collection from him.

Thanks Tony, for passing this on

Regards,

John Gilpin.
Quanta Treasurer.


- Original Message - 
From: Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 8:59 PM
Subject: [ql-users] QL on offer


 I received the following from Alan Hodgson

 alan AT outsite DOT freeserve DOT co DOT uk

 Hi there,
 I am in the middle of sorting out my house and have a load of Ql
 stuff that hasn't been used for quite a while.
 There are 2 complete Qls (with manuals) transformers etc. - one of
 which needs a membrane, a monitor, original printer, expanderam, disk
 interface and drive, toolkit plug-in and nearly 40 microdrives - some
 with original software.I don't know if these would be any good to you
 or anyone else, I don't want anything for them, but they would have to
 be collected from my home (South Yorkshire). If they are of use, please
  reply to thisemail address and we can make arrangements.
 Cheers,

 Tony
 -- 
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  tony@surname.co.uk  http://firshman.co.uk
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Re: [ql-users] Calling Darren Branagh

2005-02-08 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:10 PM
Subject: [ql-users] Calling Darren Branagh


 Anyone know where Darren is at the moment - I need some info from him for
 a customer
 
 -- 
 Rich Mellor


JG

The email address I got for him when he moved is as follows:

darrenbranagh AT o2 DOT ie

It's worth a try anyhow.

John Gilpin (individual)


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Re: AW: [ql-users] Visit to Switzerland

2005-02-07 Thread John Gilpin

 That's what I like about the QL scene.

 One person goes to see his grandmother. Suddenly it becomes a QL
 mini-workshop :-)

 Anybody got relatives in North Wales (lonely being one of only 2 known
 QLers in North Wales)?

 -- 
 Dilwyn Jones

JG

Can't have a QLer being lonely, especially one of only two in North Wales.
Sarah  I will be taking a long weekend break at Graig Park Country Club
from Friday 25th Feb to Monday 28th Feb and will probably travel about the
area a bit. Want to meet up for a jar - or a brew somewhere?

Might have enough room in the suitcase for a formatted floppy disc but don't
intend to bring an aurora etc.

Regards,

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Re: [ql-users] Level 2 Drivers

2005-01-30 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Level 2 Drivers


 Dear Mr Services,
 
 Tony
 
  The counter clerk at the bank kept calling me 'Mr. Branch' so I
  asked him if I could have a Branch Manager.
 Did he Twig what you were on about?

JG

Perhaps that was the root of the problem you went to the bank for in the
first case??

John Gilpin.


 Dilwyn Jones



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Re: [ql-users] Jan Jones Book

2005-01-28 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: John Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:57 PM
Subject: [ql-users] Jan Jones Book


 John.

  I am still, however, very intrigued that the QUANTA limited edition
  states
  that there is a Quanta  copyright and not that it was reprinted under
  licence

 If you look in any technical book you will find that the publisher has
 accepted the responsibility for maintaining the copyright.
 This appears to be standard practice and the Quanta publication was no
 exception.

 John Taylor

JG

I would have to bow to someone with far greater knowledge than I have with
regards to copyright and licences. I wasn't even a Quanta member at the
time; however intriguing you find the situation. I have merely quoted from
the copies that I either own or am holding on behalf of Quanta for resale in
an effort to shed some light on the situation.

However, as current demand (nil) is far less than availability - from
various sources -does the question really require further comment?

Now, should this situation reverse itself (demand greater than supply) and
you know of the whereabouts of some past documentation on the topic, we
would all be please to hear about it.

Regards,

John Gilpin. (individual)

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Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II

2005-01-24 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Pointer Environment and TK II


 P Witte wrote:

 
 The current Smsqe version of TK2 is 3.28.
 
 
 
 Is that compatible with Minny/JS or do non-SMSQE users need a different
 version? If so which? and how do I tell which version I have?

 Jeremy

JG

I have found a file called TOOLKIT.zip which I think contains a version of
TK2. This is currently in my QL folder on the PC.

Is anyone interested in me sending them a copy? The file is dated October
2002 but I have no idea which version it is. The zip file contains two
files: Toolkit.Boot and Toolkit.rext and is about 10Kb in size.

Regards,

John Gilpin. (individual)


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Re: [ql-users] Quanta 2005

2005-01-16 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:51 PM
Subject: [ql-users] Quanta 2005


 Just a quick comment - one of the reasons that the Quanta committee seemed
 to want the QL 2005 meeting down south was because they thought that
 Manchester was not capable of holding such a prestigious event.

 Well its now apparently good enough for the Labour Party Conference as
 they are moving there...
 So why not the QL??

 -- 
 Rich Mellor
 RWAP Services
 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ
JG

Everyone seems to think that Manchester is built out of Scout Huts (or
Headquarters as we prefer to call them!)

We are already looking for a more prestigious venue for AGM 2006.

Rest assured, We'll find one!

Regards,

John Gilpin
Nemqlug Sub-Group.

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Re: [ql-users] QLib maintained

2005-01-14 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] QLib maintained


 On  Fri, 14 Jan 2005 at 00:32:27, Malcolm Cadman wrote:
 (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
 
 
 snip
 I have drawn a blank with a similar quest in trying to contact David
 Batty of Sector Software for the Perfection software.
 Sector Software
 Attn: Mr D Batty
 39 Wray Crescent
 Ulnes Walton
 PRESTON
 Lancs
 PR26 8HN

JG

I have LEYLAND
Lancs
PR26 8NH
and
www.sectorsoftware.co.uk
and
a mobile number. Any help to anyone?

John Gilpin.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 01772 454328
 
 Tony
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Re: Re: [ql-users] QLib maintained

2005-01-14 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] QLib maintained
(snip)
 David Batty is contactable though - he is still living at the address in
Ulness Walton in Lancashire (was it 39 Wray Crescent?) that he used in his
QL adverts years ago. He has a website, something like
www.sectorsoftware.co.uk or something like that (not sure if it was one word
or a hyphen or dot or underscore between sector and software). When I met
him at a Quanta AGM in Manchester a year or two ago he gave me a phone
number which I've since lost which even resembled what I could remember of
his phone number from those QL adverts - he used to sell software I'd
written so we used to call each other a lot.

 I remember his excitement when I told him that George Gwilt had made the
source code of Turbo available via John Sadler's website, something David
was VERY interested in. Most people think of David as a trader, but he used
to write software too, Touch Typist for example. He now does various things
for a living, including writing software and installing and updating
software remotely onto office computers.

 Although David is not actively QLing, he said he has been known to dip his
toes in the water every now and then and keeps up to date enough (not sure
how, perhaps via my website) to know when QL shows occur in his area - he
occasionally visits the  Manchester Quanta workshops for example.

 We tried to establish contact with Freddy some time ago, including a
magazine appeal for anyone knowing his whereabouts to contact us.
Unfortunately, we got no replies.

 Dilwyn Jones


JG

I also met David Batty at the Manchester AGM and he gave me one of his
business cards as he showed an interest in our sub-group meetings (but has
never actually attended one). His card has address, phone and mobile
numbers, email and web site addresses. If anyone cares to contact me off
list I will pass this info on. Most of what has been said above is correct.

John Gilpin.

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Re: [ql-users] Hardware

2005-01-12 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:  QL-Users [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 1:40 PM
Subject: [ql-users] Hardware


 My wife has been cleaning up and found a box with a lot of QL stuff. An
original
 QL! A keyboard mat in original package. Some keyboards and electronic
boards.
 The total is not very heavy. I would be willing to pack it all and send it
 to someone or place where it could be of use. Any suggestions?

JG

Ian,

Quanta is always on the lookout for such items which we can resell to A).
raise funds and B). to help some QLer who needs specific items. I am the
collector of such items and my address is inside the front cover of the
Quanta Newsletter. Thanks for the kind thought.

Regards,

John Gilpin.
Quanta Treasurer.



 Ian Pizer, 49 ch. Machery, 1292 Chambesy, Geneva, Switzerland
 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Tel. 41227581410

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Re: [ql-users] good superbasic book?

2005-01-10 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: John Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] good superbasic book?


 Tim

 Why it says Copyright 1989 Quanta I don't know, in fact all the
 reprints were dated 1989 as no one amended it.
 The fact remains, copyright is with Jan Jones.  If Quanta had bought
 the copyright there would have been no need to make repeated payments
 to Jan Jones.
 In any case I feel this argument is pointless as there are second hand
 copies available.  Rich has got three and doubtless there are many more
 that could be made available.
 Quanta has one copy left and, if I remember rightly, has not sold one
 in the last five years.  How many requests have we had?

 John Taylor


JG
A late response due to spending Christmas and New Year abroad.

I am inclined to accept John Taylor's views on Copyright as he was probably
involved with the original agreement with Jan, whereas I have had no need to
check the agreement during the last three years.

The copy that Quanta currently holds is a second-hand copy recently donated
with some other stuff. The one new copy which I inherited was sold soon
after I became Treasurer and since then numerous second hand copies have
been received and sold on either by myself at workshops or by Rich Mellor
(on behalf of Quanta).There is still a market for this book but it looks as
though it can be supplied from donations of no longer required items. Quanta
is always willing to accept such no longer required items for resale to
QLers who need them. Some £1,000 has been credited to Quanta's bank account
from such receipts during the last three years. Rich Mellor is kept updated
of the items that Quanta has for resale so that he can offer such items
along with those that he holds at his own depot.

Regards,

John Gilpin.
Quanta Treasurer.




 On Friday, December 24, 2004, at 05:55 AM, Timothy Swenson wrote:

  On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:46:19 +, John Taylor
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  John
 
  You are wrong.
  Quanta does not own the copyright to the Jan Jones book and never has.
 
  Again, I refer my copy of the Quanta reprint sitting in my hot little
  hands, and it clearly states:
 
  Copyright 1989 Quanta
 
  This is from the Quanta Reprint Limited Edition of July 1989.  If
  Quanta does not own the copyright, then why did Quanta state that it
  does, in the book.
 
  Tim Swenson


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Re: [ql-users] good superbasic book?

2005-01-10 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: john mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ql-users-q-v-d.com@lists.q-v-d.com
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] good superbasic book?



 On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:46:19 + - John Taylor said -
  John
 
  You are wrong.
  Quanta does not own the copyright to the Jan Jones book and never has.
 The agreement was that Quanta had permission to print additional
  copies in return for a royalty based on the number printed and not on
  the number sold.
  Any other form of publication would require a new agreement.   It was
  also stipulated that no correspondence as to the books contents, syntax
  or understanding was to be considered, neither was the whereabouts or
  contact details to be divulged to any person who might want to make use
  of them.
 
  This is the second time in as many weeks that you have guessed
  incorrectly and then stated it as fact.
 
  I do not wish to discourage the committee from doing a further reprint
  but as sales would be limited you ought to show a far better
  understanding of what you are proposing.
 
  If it is of any help, the last reprint Quanta did of the Jan Jones was
  photo copied and ring bound for less than £7.00, with little or no
  profit to Quanta as a later committee reduced the selling price.
 
  A far better approach would be for Quanta to reprint copies of Rich
  Mellors manual which includes far more and is readily available as I
  believe Rich, or the printer, still has the files.
 
  John Taylor

 John
 It is not me who is wrong -

 John Taylor would have been more right if he had taken care to look at the
 Copyright page of his copy of QL SuperBASIC - QUANTA LIMITED EDITION
printed
 in July 1989 before he wrote rather than relied on his memory - but see
 below for yourselves -

 John Mason
 The Copyright Page from QL Superbasic - QUANTA LIMITED EDITION July 1989

 Published by

 QUANTA.  -  The Independent QL User Group

 15 Grosvenor Crescent GRIMSBY South Humberside England



 British Library Cataloguing in Publication Data

 Jones, Jan

 QL SuperBASIC : the definitive handbook.

 1. Sinclair QL (Computer) Programming

 2. SuperBASIC (Computer program language)

 I. Title

 001.64'24   QA76.8.S625

 ISBN 0-07-084784-3

 Library of Congress Cataloging in Publication Data

 Jones, Jan

 QL SuperBASIC.

 Includes index

 1. Sinclair QL (Computer) - Programming.   2. BASIC

 (Computer program language)

 I. Title.   II. Title: QL SuperBASIC.   III. Title: QL SuperBASIC.

 QA76.8.S6216J66   1985   001.64'2   84-26173

 ISBN 0-07-084784-3

 This QUANTA LIMITED EDITION printed in July 1989



 Copyright 1989 QUANTA . All rights reserved. No part of this

 publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or

 transmitted in any form or by any other means, electronic, mechanical,

 photocopying, recording, or otherwise without prior written

 permission of QUANTA, or of the original copyright owner.

JG

In my copy there is a preface to the second edition dated 19th July 1989 and
at the foot of that page there is a Copyright Notice

As of December 1987 all rights in this book reverted to Jan Jones. No
portion of this book may be reproduced without her written permission.

Does this mean that by 'reproducing' these extracts, we are contravening the
copyright?

The interesting thing is that the copy which Quanta has for resale does not
have this page in it but in all other respects the two of them look
identical.

John Gilpin.(Individual)

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Re: [ql-users] good superbasic book ?

2004-12-17 Thread John Gilpin


 On  Thu, 16 Dec 2004 at 22:18:55, Michael Grunditz wrote:
 (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED])

MG
 I am looking for a good superbasicbook, I am a real beginner at this. If
 anyone have some you do not need so mail me.

TF
 It just has to be the Jan Jones book.
 I haven't a spare copy, but I bet someone does.

 Tony

JG (for Quanta)

Quanta has just one copy of  QL SuperBasic - The Definitive Handbook by Jan
Jones - Quanta Limited Edition. Published by QUANTA ISBN: 0 07 084784 3

This is second hand and is available for £2.50 plus PPkg.

Please Email me off list with your delivery address if you want me to supply
it.

John Gilpin.
Quanta Treasurer.

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Re: [ql-users] QaLendar, now in PDF

2004-12-07 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] QaLendar, now in PDF


 Dilwyn Jones writes:
 
  Competition Time: How many copies of this email this time
 
 Nine mails! (but all different this time ;)
 
 Per

JG
Only one this time, thanks.

John Gilpin.


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Re: [ql-users] How many repeats this time?

2004-12-04 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: James Hunkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: QL News List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] How many repeats this time?


 Sounds like someone has a virus going again.  I received several copies
 but not as part of the normal email list.  Either the virus has gotten
 email addresses from the mail list or someone with my email address
 (and others) in their address book has the virus.

 Jim

6 copies for me on two different email addresses but it's a great
QaLalendar. Thanks Dilwyn.

John Gilpin.


 On Dec 4, 2004, at 11:53 AM, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

  All right, who's been sabotaging tesco.net?
 
  Like this email, I sent one copy to ql-users, one copy to Jochen's
  QLNews list.
 
  Every time I've dialled up tonight I've had another copy back. That's
  what I get for threatening to put a picture of all those nice QL
  people in a calendar.
 
  Some of the alcohol must have leaked into the PC...and I've got to get
  up at 0515 tomorrow for work, not a nice thought to go to bed on in a
  moment, 10 copies of every email I send coming back.
 
  Jochen claims I sent 5 copies to QLNews. Rather clever as I only sent
  it once. In turn, his email back to me had 5 copies of the original
  email attached, so that's 10 I've had back in total! I've heard of
  Christmas Spirit but this is ridiculous.
 
  Hope you've all got your QaLendars by now...
 
  --
  Dilwyn Jones

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Re: [ql-users] The hardware conflict...

2004-12-02 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] The hardware conflict...


 On  Wed, 1 Dec 2004 at 21:55:42, John Gilpin wrote:
 (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED])


 JG
 I did a quick survey a few days ago covering the last five months
 contributions to this list and found as follows:
 
 Out of 74 different contributors,
 
 25 (34%) are on the Quanta member's database.
 5   (7%)  are traders (and receive complimentary membership by
advertising)
 6  (8%)  are current or recent past committee members (complimentary
 membership)
 36 (48%) are non-members.
 2   (3%) have email addresses which comes up on my machine as
hieroglyphics
 (and it's *not* Pheobus Dokos.)
 
 So you see, about half and half, members and non-members.
 
 John Gilpin.(individual)
 There are many more readers on the list.

JG
I will gladly do another survey using more than 74 contributors agains the
Quanta Membership database if someone can supply me with the email address
list to start with.

John Gilpin.
Membership Secretary.


 'help' says one can get them all by sending an email to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 with body of message:

 who password

  but it replies with You are not allowed to retrieve the list
 membership
 Hrmm.  It worked last time!

 Bruce - can I have the list please as I want to check my emailshot
 database.

 You can get the password (randomly set I think as I have never set one)
 emailed to you from
 http://lists.q-v-d.com/options.cgi/ql-users-q-v-d.com

 BTW Bruce, the 'help' email is badly laid out.
 There are hard line breaks at a few characters short of the usual 70 or
 so.  It makes it exceedingly difficult to read. I need help reading the
 'help' (8-)#

 This is because each line has a leading 8 hard spaces.
 Maybe you have written out a text file badly, or is it hard coded?

 Tony
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Re: Re: [ql-users] The hardware conflict...

2004-12-01 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] The hardware conflict...


 On 1 Dec 2004 at 14:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 (..),

 although I suppose it might be true that most on this list are probably 
 members.

 Most?

 Probably not (any more).


JG
I did a quick survey a few days ago covering the last five months
contributions to this list and found as follows:

Out of 74 different contributors,

25 (34%) are on the Quanta member's database.
5   (7%)  are traders (and receive complimentary membership by advertising)
6  (8%)  are current or recent past committee members (complimentary
membership)
36 (48%) are non-members.
2   (3%) have email addresses which comes up on my machine as hieroglyphics
(and it's *not* Pheobus Dokos.)

So you see, about half and half, members and non-members.

John Gilpin.(individual)

 Wolfgang
 

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[ql-users] QWord

2004-11-30 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] Byfleet Show


 (Q-Word)
 Is the game itself any good? Or is it just a brilliant showcase of colour
and sound?

 Dilwyn Jones

If the Demo version is anything to go by,(without the high colours and
sound) it's very addictive. Be prepared to spend a few hours.

John Gilpin.



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Re: [ql-users] The hardware conflict...

2004-11-29 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] The hardware conflict...


 On  Mon, 29 Nov 2004 at 10:20:43, John Gilpin wrote:
 (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED])

 
 - Original Message -
 From: Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 11:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [ql-users] The hardware conflict...
 
 printer issue (I think)
 I think this question was discussed at Byfleet and hope that it will be
 added to the questionnaire. Will this be too late for those who have
already
 filled one in?
 
 John Gilpin.(individual)
 What question would you like added?
 Sorry, but I haven't been following this thread, and am too busy today
 to think of finding and reading (8-)#

Something to the effect:If you have been a Quanta member and have resigned,
please indicate why you left

John Gilpin (individual)

 It is probably too late now though.  We have had probably 80 replies,
 and any new questions need emailing to all those who have already
 replied.

 What I will probably do is save up additional questions and then email
 everyone automatically afterwards, asking them to fill in a
 supplementary form.  This info can then be appended to the database.

Good idea - JG

 Thanks are due to John Southern.  All paper forms he receives he is
 entering manually on the on-line form.

John S. seems very excited about the results so far - JG

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[ql-users] October/November Quanta Newsletter

2004-11-29 Thread John Gilpin
I have, recently, had great pleasure in forwarding some emails regarding the
latest issue of Quanta Newsletter to the editor - Roy Brereton. In a reply,
he asks me to thank all those who took the time to acknowledge his efforts.
Your comments are much appreciated. He asked me to tell you all that things
at the moment are pretty hectic in his daytime job and apologises if
communications to and from him are a bit hazy.

Perhaps all the more reason to say Well Done Roy

John Gilpin.

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Re: [ql-users] October / November Quanta Magazine

2004-11-28 Thread John Gilpin
Hi Rich,

We believe it is an error on the diverter from Quanta to John S. Try

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Regards,

John Gilpin.


- Original Message - 
From: Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] October / November Quanta Magazine


 On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:34:41 -, P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 
  Malcolm Cadman writes:
 
  I have just received my copy of the October / November Quanta magazine,
  and it is back to being quite a good read, with a variety of articles.
 
  Well done to Roy Bereton for his editorship.
 
  Agreed, much better. The last one wasnt too bad either. I do miss your
  digest of some of the highlights on this list in the Quanta rag ;)
  Sometimes theres so much going on that not everyone can afford to read
  everything, and often there will be discussion that may interest (and
  entice) those not already connected. I know it must take up a lot of
  time,
  but for me at least it was well worth it ;)
 
  Per
 


 Yes well said Per...

 BTW secretary AT quanta email address is still not working Does anyone
 have John's direct email address for me please...

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Re: [ql-users] The way forward?

2004-11-23 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] The way forward?


 On 22 Nov 2004 at 15:59, Dave P wrote:

  Personally, I think Quanta is irrelevant. (...)
 and , later on:
  For me, the misfortune of Nasta's work is that the resources aren't
there
  to do something TRULY revolutionary. (...)The only organization with the
funds is a
  private organization that is only allowed to benefit its members -
Quanta.

 So Quanta isn't irrelevant?
 Didn't they extend a loan to DD systems to get the Q60 built (further?).
 (...)

Yes they did, and a very straight forward and successful arrangement it was
and fully repaid within 12 months. This is the sort of thing that Quanta
would be willing to consider for other projects but no one has come forward
with a project.
John Gilpin.(Treasurer)

  I don't blame the Quanta committee for not doing anything. (...)
  In my company, the solution for this is to decide on three or four clear
  courses of action. Allocate each member with ten points, and allow them
to
  allocate the points in any proportion to the proposed paths. At the end
of
  this exercise you have a clear understanding of which projects have the
  most and least support.

 Isn't the fact that Quanta isn't doing this exactly what they are blamed
for?

 (...later email...)
  The real problem for Nasta is such a simple one. He has a complete
design
  ready to go - he just needs the time and resources to follow it through.
  Some of us have sourced and are holding components for his projects but
  without a couple of months away from yucky jobs, and the resources to
get
  everything made to a suitable standard, it won't happen.

 I disagree in parts. One of Nasta's problems is that he seems to be a
hardware man
 only (sorry to discuss you as if you weren't there, Nasta). Let me hasten
to add that I
 have met him only once briefly at QL 2004 and found him extremeny likable.

 Nasta gave a very interesting (and witty) talk about two projects, one of
which could
 be seen as being not that far from completion, and he seems to be driving
it forward
 technically very nicely.

 What, IMHO, Nasta doesn't seem to realise is that it is also up to him to
drive the
 project forward financially - no one else is going to do that for him.

 Why doesn't he say (for example here on this list) I need so much money
and if I
 have that, I'll build (whatever - a prototype, a working version ..)
within so many
 months.

 There have alreay been people on this list who have stated that they would
support
 new projects financially...

  For me, the misfortune of Nasta's work is that the resources aren't
there
  to do something TRULY revolutionary. I have these quaint ideas of
miniATX
  motherboards using standard everything and a pair of 68060s - all this
is
  possible if it's funded.

 To what tune?

  Maybe [Quanta] misinterpret the rules and think that benefit means do
  business with - they can do business with any QLer...

 But they do have to make sure that the projects they finance are
financially sound and
 of benefit to many of their members (and NOT the QL community in general.
If we
 want Quanta to be of benefit to the QL community in general, we must all
become
 members). What if many of the Quanta members are still sticking to their
original QLs

Now you're talking guys. How many membership forms do you want? New members
(or old ones returning) are always welcome to Quanta!!

John Gilpin. (Membership Secretary)

 and don't plan to upgrade? Shoudl Quanta really finance something they
don't want?

 This reminds me of a problem we had in QLCF, the (now defunct) french QL
users
 club. We, too, had a bit of money on the side. During an AGM it was
proposed that we
 use some of this money to fund development of SMSQ/E for the QXL. IIRC
this wasn't
 even voted on because the consenus of those who were present was that this
was
 something worthwhile to put our money in.  So a (modest) amount was given
to TT
 towards that development - in return, we were allowed to distribute that
version aongst
 our members - not all of whom (far from it) even had a QXL. Some bought
one
 because of it, though.

 But we already had done something like that earlier - for example, we had
bought a
 licence for QPAC II for all of our mermbers (and I think QD, too). QLCF
was
 responsible for translating  duplicating the manuals etc, copying the
disks and
 distributing them, a work which was undertaken for free by a member.

 At the time, I felt that this was a good way to act for us, because
 1 - Our members got good software
 2 - Traders and authors got money
 3 - Secretly I hoped this would be a beneficial spiral, since some members
would buy
 new hardware to run the new software on, tus financing the QL world even
further.

 The problem is that you can't really do that with hardware, which, for
each item sold
 has a definite cost so that even

Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-23 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter


 OK, I have now had the chance to digest the wealth of emails on this
 subject.

 What we need is a definitive document which will set out the bare bones of
 how this system will work.
 I would be willing to put this together based on the earlier emails - if
 you want to be part of the design process, then let me know and I will
 forward the draft document for comments.

 Once we have agreed on the specification, we then need to look for
 volunteers -

 1) Person to write a new PFF device driver (failry simple)
 2) Person to write the Printer THING
 3) Person(s) to write the filters

 I would also suggest that this is put forward as a project to Quanta and
 we ask them to finance the project - possibly a one off fee for
 development costs (£250 split equally between the developers)??  If need
 be, this could be done as a loan and the end product sold commercially
 akin to the situation with the Qx0 where Quanta get a share of each sale
 to repay the loan (not as if it would ever be repaid, unless we sold the
 program for £50 per copy).

 Any comments on this?? Quanta comments would be also appreciated.


 --
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 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ

 http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/


Even though I am an officer on the Quanta Committee, I too am leaning
towards spending some funds as distinct from lending the money. I see no
purpose in hoarding our member's subscriptions if they can be used to some
purpose to the benefit of those members. It is going to be difficult to
maintain our surplus of income over expenditure as last year as there are
not many expenses left that we can effectively reduce and our income falls
with the steady decline in membership. It could be worth trying something
different to see if we can attract new (or the return of old) members. I
also like the idea of a combined toolkit and software package which would
provide a basic level of support to our members. This could and possibly
should be supported by a series of article on basic stuff, like how does
level two configuration differ from level one and how does a novice identify
between files called congig1, config2 and Menu_config? (This is where I have
to admit my ignorance on some very basic stuff!!) How does one configure
FileInfo2? (is the programme which enables one to double click on a file and
set its basic programme running by virtue of its postscript ( the last bit
of the file name after the underscore.)) I personally would like a series of
articles written for the novice (a blow by blow account) on such things
instead of waiting for the next subgroup meeting and the listening to two or
three others with differing views as to how it ought to be done. Are there
still any novices out there, or am I the only one asking daft questions and
unable to retain the answers long enough to remember them say a year later?

Perhaps if something was explained to me in small doses that I could
understand, I could write from my own experiences an article for the
magazine from a novice's stand point and then a year or so later refer back
to it to refresh my own memory. Caution, am I letting myself in for
something?

Keep the ideas flowing. There WILL be a quanta committee meeting at Byfleet
next Sunday.

John Gilpin.

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Re: [ql-users] Quanta

2004-11-23 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: James Hunkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta


 Sorry John, but my strong belief is that, if friends or associates are
 involved, it is even more important to have a legal agreement when any
 kind of business and/or financial activities are involved.  Otherwise,
 you are risking some very hard feelings if something is not understood
 or goes wrong.  Unfortunately I have my own personal experience with
 this and know others who have also gone through some bad stuff.

 I would hope that any business activity that Quanta undertakes has a
 legal agreement of some type.  Doesn't have to be over bearing or
 bundled with a bunch of lawyers (after all, the idea is that we do
 trust each other I would hope), but it does need to be there.

 This also protects Quanta because, if there are any questions about how
 something is done, there is a solid paper trail that at least shows the
 good intent behind the activities.

 Cheers,
 jim

I coundn't agree with you more Jim. I wasn't in office when the D  D
agreement was formulated, I only had to administer it afterwards. Perhaps
that is why I feel that it was so straightforward. I've bee a personal
friend of my Bank Manager for many years but I have been unable to get him
to give me preferential treatment because of it and I honour his decisions
(and the many pages of legalese that I have had to sign during my business
life)

John Gilpin.

 On Nov 23, 2004, at 10:15 AM, John Taylor wrote:

  Didn't they extend a loan to DD systems to get the Q60 built
  (further?).
  (...)
 
  Yes they did, and a very straight forward and successful arrangement
  it was
  and fully repaid within 12 months. This is the sort of thing that
  Quanta
  would be willing to consider for other projects but no one has come
  forward
  with a project.
  John Gilpin.(Treasurer)
 
  It wasn't quite as simple as that John.
  Dennis and Derek asked me if it were possible to get Quanta to market
  the Q60 so that they could concentrate on the production.
  I agreed to approach the committee on their behalf.
  The Chairman, Robin Barker, called a meeting specifically to discuss
  that and DD were invited to attend.
  Previous to the meeting the proposal had already met with a flat
  refusal from the Chairman.
  He was however willing to discuss financing DD and to that end John
  Mason turned up with a two and a quarter page legal agreement.
  This despite not having put in an appearance at two previous committee
  meetings.
  My first reaction was to get up and walk out.   If DD were to be
  trusted, a simple statement, even a verbal one, would have been
  binding.
  If they weren't to be trusted then we shouldn't have been dealing with
  them.
  Finally it was agreed that DD would submit all invoices to me for
  payment and I would instruct the Quanta Treasurer to make the required
  payments.
  In return, when a sale had been completed they would send the money to
  me and I would place such money in to the Quanta bank account.
  I kept records and would have acted on these in the event of a dispute.
  Trust was not always in evidence I am afraid, especially from Robin
  Barker and John Mason.  The rest of the committee merely acquiesced
  when requested by the Chairman.
  If the financing of projects is to be conducted in this manner, then
  they are dead in the water, for heavens sake, we are dealing with
  people we have known for years.
  Therein lies the problem.  John Mason has never been active among the
  Quanta members or the QL community beyond the traders, the Dorset sub
  group and the committee.
  I have said it before.  Attitudes are too deeply ingrained in the
  current committee, it has become a little closed shop or mutual
  admiration society.
  For a healthy active committee you have got to have conflict.   The
  members must believe in what they are doing even if the others
  disagree.
 
  John Taylor
 
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Re: [ql-users] What Have I missed?

2004-11-22 Thread John Gilpin
I count nearly 250 emails. Do you really want them *all*?

Regards,

John Gilpin.


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From: Rich Mellor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 7:54 PM
Subject: [ql-users] What Have I missed?


 PC has been playing up and I have missed all the emails on the list since
 last Thursday - how can I get a copy of what I missed?

 Rich Mellor

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Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership

2004-11-20 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: SMSQ - Jochen Merz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership


 Tony Firshman wrote:
  On  Fri, 19 Nov 2004 at 20:13:18, gwicks wrote:
  (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Tony Firshman
 Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
 
 

  BTW is it now policy not to send the mag to advertisers?  The last one I
  have is April this year.
 
  Tony

 The last one I received was August/September (7/8).

 Jochen


Then you are up to date Jochen.The next one Oct/Nov is at the printers and
is due to be distributed any day now.

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Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership

2004-11-20 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership



 - Original Message - 
 From: Duncan Neithercut
 Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:36 PM
 Subject: RE: [ql-users] Quanta membership


  Geoff - I thought you are a committee member : customer care would
  suggest that you should offer to get the potential new member
  contacted by the correct Quanta membership secretary tonight : he (the
  membership secretary if this list is an accurate barometer
  must be thirsting for his first new signing anyway)
  :)
 

 A fair rebuke here.

 I assume that John Gilpin is already in contact with people who via this
 list say they have been unable to renew their membership.

 If there is anyone who still has a problem, could they please email me
 privately and I will chase it up. Please include a keyword such as
Quanta
 in the subject line so that I don't accidentally delete your message as
 spam,

 Best wishes,
 Geoff

Geoff is quite correct. I am in contact with Delwin Vriend who has indicated
that he is interested in becoming a Quanta Member and also Mike MacNamara
whose renewal was missed causing his membership to lapse some years ago.

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Re: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005

2004-11-19 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005


 Jim Hunkins wrote:
  Yes, a real web site could do the following:
 
  1) current QL activities, shows, etc.
  2) ongoing discussions with Quanta
  3) mirror this and/or lists
  4) distribution of the library (can be done securely by membership ID,
  etc)
  5) offer programming help files (to encourage more programmers)
  6) perhaps offer programmers help forum (kind of like the list for
  developers used to do)
  7) etc, etc...
 
  I would view this as actually more important than the newsletter
  however, since many members probably still do not have web access, the
  newsletter still holds an important role to play.
 
  jim
 I've been on a members forum for the brand of TV Tuner Card I have in my
PC where members help each other out with problems (got my more than my fair
share of help!) and the company has a 'moderator' (I think that's what he's
called ont he list) who often dives in and answers questions, tells people
'you can't discuss that here' etc himself.

 Might there be a role for a 'Quanta person' on this list to both represent
Quanta's interests on this list, help with discussion and queries pertinent
to Quanta and inject summaries from this list into the newsletter for the
benefit of both the membership who are not on email and also encouraging
those members who have email access but are not on this list to join us?
Would help to provide some copy for the newsletter as well, of course.

 A lot of ideas have sprung up in discussions here recently, not all of
which I agree with, but nonetheless I hope someone (Geoff? John G.?) is
taking note from a Quanta viewpoint.

 Dilwyn Jones

I am monitoring this thread and hope that something will come about at the
next Quanta Committee meeting. Keep the comments coming, the more the
merrier!!

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Re: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005

2004-11-19 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005


  The magazine could also be provided (by email) in say pdf form, again
  saving money.
 
  Tony
 Hmmm, reminds me too much of last night where I was trying to put WinXP
onto my PC after having its new hard disk fitted.

 A couple of error messages came up which left me wondering whether to
laugh or cry. I mention these because they show how lucky we are as QLers in
some ways and how even seemingly simple suggestions like Tony's can drive
fear into my heart.

 Your CD-ROM is not responding to the standard drivers, please insert the
drivers CD to install the manufacturer-supplied drivers. (or message to
that effect).

 (Reminds of me of Keyboard failure, press F1 to continue.)

 Err, OK, no CD drive to install the CD drivers. Fine. Its next suggestion
is get a driver fof the net. Of dear, no internet connections set up yet,
because no modem, which needs drivers...off a CD.

 Newly installed WinXP. The modem needs drivers (this was a modem which
came with the PC from its manufacturer) from a CD but it is not at all clear
how to do this, because the drivers are buried deep in an obscure folder
level. The leaflet says refer to instructions on the CD which turns out to
be a PDF file. Where are the two places I can get a PDF file reader? Off a
CD, or off the net. Uhelp.

 Wouldn't it be great if Roy sold us a Qubide with only instructions which
say you'll need a driver for this, there's probably one out there somewhere
but I'll leave you to sort it out how to get it and everything else, by the
way you need a PDF program to read your next issue of QUanta too.

 In other words, leave PDF out of the QL equation please Tony!

 Dilwyn Jones

Still monitoring. I rather like the ideas which run thus:

1.Develop internet software for all common ql platforms - Black box,
(S)GC, Aurora, Qx0 etc.

2.Encourage Quanta members to use the software 1. above and to access
the user list, Web Site etc. Provide practical help with this for members
who need it - I'm sure I'm not the only one!!!

3.Develop the Web Site so that all Quanta services - Magazine, Software
Library, Help line, Back Issues, Advertisements etc. etc. can be accessed by
all members. - with up to date links to other websites related to QL.

It is the 21st Century. Can we drag ourselves out of the (early) middle
ages?

Now, it seems to me that the first step is to appoint a Web Master - any
offers?

The Quanta committee is down to its minimum number of members. As Geoff has
said on many occasions, we have the ideas but not the manpower to execute
them all. Is ANYBODY offering their help?

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Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter

2004-11-19 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: Joachim Van der Auwera [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I didn't express it very well, but what I was getting at was that there
are so many different possible formats in between software and printer that
somewhere in the middle there has to be a common format, e.g. Postscript, so
that the only job is converting from this common format to the native
printer raster format.
 
  Which leaves us with two choices:
  1. write drivers for every printer on the planet
  2. rely on Ghostscript drivers to do this, meaning we fed Ghostscript,
it does the printer driving.
 
  Much as I hate the idea, option 2 seems to be the only realistic option
for the printer end of things in the future. We can do what we like with QL
software's drivers (i.e. whether the Postscript is produced by epsonps
feeding ghostscript or whatever).
 
  Back to:
  qlsoftware-epson output-epsonps-ghostscript-printer
 
  or some such long winded solution.

 But QL software doesn't write Postscript output now. I am saying to come
 up with something easier as intermediate powerful language, which will
 be easier for QL software to use. This is now difficult, basically
 define an ASCII equivalent for the PROforma commands.

 This will then give a system which to my opinion is more QL minded,
 available to more QL users (I know PROforma requires a lot of memory
 etc, but it is still a lot better than Ghostscript (or at least last
 time I looked).

 PROforma is already in use on some people's system, so minimal extra
 memory would be required. In PROforma you can choose which printers to
 have (in Ghostscript there are compiled in the program - thus making it
 either a limited set (less memory), or the system even bigger (large
 set), or forcing people to recompile themselves (candidates)

 The three layer system discussed between Wolfgang, Rich and Myself seems
 to be a very viable way to handle things. All that is needed now is a
 group of volunteers who can cooperate to make this a reality. Only then
 will we have made progress.

 Joachim

Exactly, Joachim,
Is the QL fraternity having QUANTA problems? That is, plenty of ideas but
not enough willing manpower!!

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Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership

2004-11-19 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership



 - Original Message - 
 From: Tony Firshman
 Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership


  On  Fri, 19 Nov 2004 at 16:59:33, Mike MacNamara wrote:
  (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
 
 Hmm.
 
 Quanta Membership Sec did not respond to my requests to renew, has
lapsed
 for a few years now. Never got any response.
  I hope that whoever on the Quanta committee reads this (John G and Geoff
  for two!) will make sure the membership secretary is getting emails.
 
  I had similar problems.
 
  It seems the re-direction may be dodgy.
 

 This is strange because I did a test on what I thought might be an
obsolete
 email address about a month ago and there were no problems. If there is a
 problem I suggest it is a dodgy rather than a non-existent redirection.

 Can I suggest that if you do report a contact problem, you always mention
 the email address you used. The best one is

 membership @ quanta.org.uk

 Best Wishes,
 Geoff


Apart from the address that Geoff recommends above, I am still receiving on
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  but if you want to be absolutely sure, use
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem is that if emails
go astray, the intended recipient is not aware that they were ever sent in
the first place so doesn't report it. I have had one request for membership
today and already responded with full details. Lapsed membership? Surely we
can put that right.

John Gilpin,
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Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005

2004-11-19 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005



 - Original Message - 
 From: Tony Firshman
 Subject: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005


 The magazine could also be provided (by email) in say pdf form, again
 saving money.

 There was a proposal at the 2003 AGM for the magazine to be distributed by
 email, but it was reported to the 2004 AGM this was not practical because
of
 the large number of members who do not have internet access. I don't know
 how the research was done.

 I think Brian Kemmett makes a good point about not creating a two tier
 membership.

 As you know Tony sends out notices of shows by email. We also send out a
 snailshot to QL-users (ie not necessarily Quanta members) for whom we do
not
 have an email address. There were 73 such people in the Byfleet catchment
 area.

 Best Wishes,
 Geoff

I did an analysis from the membership database mid 2003 only to find that at
least 50% of our members had not given an email address on their latest
renewal form. Those members who pay by Standing Order and therefore do not
fill in an annual renewal form should contact me direct if the want their
email address adding to their membership profile.

John Gilpin.
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Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005

2004-11-19 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: wolfgang mühlegger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005


 gwicks schrieb:
 
  Can I remind everyone again. You don't have to convince John Gilpin and
  myself of the need for changes. You do have to convince 4 committee
  members who do not read this list.

 ok - so how can i reach them?

 wolfgang

Just because some committee members don't respond to each and every email on
this list does not mean that they are unaware of your comments. Just
continue to post your comments HERE, they ARE being monitored by more people
on the committee than you think, and some inter-committee discussion is also
being held. As I said a few days ago, there is much agenda material here for
the next Quanta meeting.

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Re: [ql-users] QL2004

2004-11-16 Thread John Gilpin
Just back from holiday and sorting through a couple of hundred emails.

You can play Hunt the treasurer at Byfleet. I will probably be sat behind
the QUANTA Table (as usual). Please stop and say Hello, rather than just
walking past as most of the attendees usually do!!

Still monitoring,

John Gilpin.
QUANTA Treasurer.


- Original Message - 
From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL2004



 - Original Message - 
 From: P Witte
 Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL2004


  Per wrote:
 
  gwicks writes:
 
   Just a reminder that if you want to meet again at QL2005 then you
have
  to
   lobby Quanta. Only 2 people have done this so far.
 
  That makes three, then.
 
  Three weeks since I wrote these guys. Apart from Geoff's reply on-list,
no
  response at all. I suspect the committe's dead. Perhaps someone should
go
  over and take a look?
 

 Perhaps we could organise a hunt the committee member competition at
 Byfleet!

 Best Wishes,
 Geoff


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Re: [ql-users] QL2004

2004-11-16 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL2004



 - Original Message - 
 From: John Gilpin
 Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL2004


  Just back from holiday and sorting through a couple of hundred emails.
 
  You can play Hunt the treasurer at Byfleet. I will probably be sat
  behind
  the QUANTA Table (as usual). Please stop and say Hello, rather than
just
  walking past as most of the attendees usually do!!
 

 Actually, John, I thought all the committee were going to be at Byfleet. I
 thought we agreed at Hove that we would have a committee meeting there.
 After all there is a lot of business piling up and some things from the
last
 meeting and from our February meeting still have to be resolved,

 Best Wishes,
 Geoff

That may be so, I have asked the question. Even so, I cannot vouch for other
members being visible at Byfleet - Look hard!!

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Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005

2004-11-16 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005


 Dent wrote:
  How about testing if a £10 subscription would bring in new
  members by launching a special offer for new subscribers at £10 ?

 This could lose as many members as it gains.  I suspect a fair
 proportion of the current paying membership members through inertia. A
 pound or so a month is not much to pay for a bit of nostalgia when (and
 if!) the Quanta newsletter arrives, although we are not active users any
 longer. Most don't even bother to lurk here.  A change in the sub would
 only draw attention to the direct debit  I don't think there is a
 crowd out there who refrain from joining for the sake of a penny a day!

 I am happy to continue to contribute a little financially.  I even had a
 flush of  enthusiasm when Jimmy Montesinos updated Qlay, and I wrote an
 piece for Quanta.  Frankly, however, I am not even prepared to pay the
 cost of an emulator to further my interest.  I agree that my investment
 in Quanta over the years should be spent to further the cause, before
 it's too late and the Red Cross get it.

 -- 
 Regards,

 Stephen


Just as a passing thought, does anyone have any idea as to how many of you
guys who contribute to this list are current members of Quanta?

Regards,

John Gilpin.
With my Membership Secretary's hat on.


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Re: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005

2004-11-16 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005



 - Original Message - 
 From: Wolfgang Lenerz
 Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005


  On 16 Nov 2004 at 12:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I think isnurance might be a major reason why(...)
 
  Just a quick question: was QL 2004 insured?
 

 That's a question for Sin_QL_Air. I assume they, or the school, were
 covered.

 The problem with the UK is that there is a growing compensation culture so
 that you have to be doubly certain with insurance.

 The trouble is that you can't trust any damn lawyer! (Quickly dives under
 desk.)

 Best Wishes,
 Geoff

Quanta sponsored Workshops are covered by Public Liability Insurance until
16th April 2005 when the policy is due for renewal. And it is still getting
more expensive every time we renew!!

Regards,

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Re: [ql-users] Skype

2004-10-27 Thread John Gilpin
Pity it don't work on WINDOWS 9x systems - YET!

John Gilpin.


- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Skype







 1) It works
 2) It is peer to peer and requires no central server
 3) Has a testing number
 4) On ADSL it is -easily- full duplex.  On dial up it almost is, with
 some breakup. Single duplex is perfect on dial-up.

 Yep. I agree. I only have dial-up over here, about 42-48K at best. I had a
 lengthy chat with Steve Reyal the other night using it, about a hour or
so,
 and it was perfectly usable. even set up a three way conference call
 between Steve, me and my Brother-in-law Ian (who has fast broadband also -
 lucky enough to live in an area of ireland that can get it!!) While it was
 perfectly clear between Steve and Ian, there was break up and slight
delays
 bewteen me and them on occasion.

 Sure todays computer speeds  if ADSL available one would expect
 efficiency.

 Indeed.

 The facility to call overseas at local (over there) rates was even
offered

 with 28k modems, even a special call to wake computer job.

 Yes, I used to use Paltalk and visitalk on a 28K modem years ago, but it
 was err... crap.

 In practical terms, I suppose one has to liaise with a given party to
make

 sure you are both get set up and set rendezvous times ?

 Yes, steve and I either email or SMS each other when we are about to go
 online.

 What is the phone number ? Email addy or something else ?

 You have a user name. This is added to the contact base of another user
 when you contact them, if they wish it to.

 Is there a phone directory ?

 Yes, and you can search for users - very good it is too.

 DT

 I was wondering about holding a virtual show using skype - a massive
 conference call between several users - don't know how many callers it can
 handle at once Might be worth trying??

 Darren.









 
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Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it

2004-10-12 Thread John Gilpin

  The Membership databases from Quanta have a number of possible contact
  addresses both snail and email BUT would I be contravening the Data
  Protection Act by revealing the same?
 
  John Gilpin,
  Quanta Membership Secretary.


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Does that mean thae we have to contact the person first to find out if he
agrees to us disclosing his email and snail mail addresses? Surely easier to
ask him to contact whoever it is who wants the info in the first place I
would have thought. However I have asked for committee guidance on the
matter.

Regards,

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Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it

2004-10-12 Thread John Gilpin

- Original Message - 
From: Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it


 On  Tue, 12 Oct 2004 at 20:57:47, John Sadler wrote:
 (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: John Gilpin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
 
 
  The Membership databases from Quanta have a number of possible contact
  addresses both snail and email BUT would I be contravening the Data
  Protection Act by revealing the same?
 
 htm
 
 Not if they have given their express permission
 It is all totally academic.  The address and email are what he publishes
 in his advertising!
 
 His address has been public knowledge since the mid 80s.
 His email would have been too if there had been email then (8-)#
 
 Tony


So, if they are so easy to find, what is all this topic about?

It is obvious that Quanta's help is not required (again) :-(

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Re: [ql-users] Beeps in Archive

2004-07-17 Thread John Gilpin
I have done as you suggested with some results:

LPRINTing Chr(0)+Chr(7) from Archive to my Mannesman Tally MT80+ printer
does produce a sound similar to that produced when the printer is out of
paper.

The machine code routine from Tony also produces a note from the 'Speaker'
but the duration is short and it is hard to hear as the speaker is mounted
inside a Pandora case. Also, when I tried to put the routine call into a
loop to get it to send a number of beeps of differing pitches(a tune?), the
QL locks up after about three loops! Is there some incompatibility between
it and SMSQ? I am using Archive from Xchange version 3.90L as obtained from
the Quanta Library. The installation of the code does work if added to the
starting TSL code in archive.

Any more bright suggestions from anyone or do I kick it into touch (oops off
topic! ) and revert to Dilwyn's printer beep?

Regards,

John Gilpin.



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Re: [ql-users] East Anglia QL Workshop

2004-06-23 Thread John Gilpin
Tarquin wrote:

(SNIP)

   More details and up to the minute information can be read on the show
 website at http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/orsam/
 (not as wrongly printed in Jun/Jul issue of Quanta magazine).

(SNIP)

My file copy of the Quanta Advert on page 7 of Jun/Jul 2004 issue is correct
Why was it changed? (Roy B)

John Gilpin.

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