Re: [ql-users] Internet on the QL
You need to run the boot file that Phoebus supplied on page 26 of QL Today - Vol 9 Issue 6 March/April 2005. The environment variables are set up in the boot file to get around that, and lynx is launched from the boot file itself. Depending what you system is like either run the boot independently or incorporate it in to you own boot file. I have saved it as 'boot_lx', so I run it from there. If you wish I can email you my 'boot_lx' ? -- Malcolm Cadman ___ Hi, Thanks for the offer I would like you to do that. Arnold - How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Internet on the QL
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], =?windows-1253?B?UGhvZWJ1cyBSLiBEb2tvcyAo1u/f4u/yINEuIM30/Orv8ik=?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Someone asking me to tamper with Unixy or Windows-style software? I can just see Roy Wood gritting his teeth in fear now ;-) Tsk tsk... I am sure Roy won't mind ;-) I have only sympathy for the software itself if it has to stand being handled by Dilwyn. Hey maybe we should start a new O/S 'Dilwyndows' I will throw this open to suggestions as to features. Lets see how creative you can be. Dilwyndows = LaunchPad (+ Woomera) surely. -- Tarquin Mills (Chairman) ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Spectrum/ (We want a Spectrum +4) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.18 - Release Date: 19/04/2005 Look at the nasty virus youve got on your computer. Probably trying to shame you into forking out more dosh. What lowlife! Time to get something better, dont you think? Per What, AVG is a nasty virus? Didn't know it appended THAT signature! At least you can tell what came from home and what from work. It's geared up for people with always-on connections. Dial up users have to force it to update unless they happen to be online when AVG7 reckons it's time to update. It normally tries to update every 2 days and normally has downloads of anything from 150K to 2MB of updates every time. Our Symantec one here at work has the habit of popping up to do updates just when it's busiest, just like Windows updates. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's geared up for people with always-on connections. Dial up users have to force it to update unless they happen to be online when AVG7 reckons it's time to update. It normally tries to update every 2 days and normally has downloads of anything from 150K to 2MB of updates every time. Well I use it at home and I'm on a broadband connection (now) which is fine. I did use it before when I was on a dial-up link and as you note, it tends to produce large downloads. My version simply tells me that it is out of date and waits for me to click on the 'update' button to do the actual updating - so I can fit it in to suit me. My laptop has Symantec and it is configured to check at connect time for any required updates. As I'm usually using my laptop on customer sites, I need to be fully up to date with a 'recognised' AV system (plus firewall). I can configue this to run on demand, but I prefer to leave it on. The reason for all these big downloads is quite simple. Windows is a pile of non-secure poo and there are literally hundreds of new virusses, variants on old ones etc appearing almost every day. I've had Symantec downloads of as little as 50Kb and as large at 4 Mb at times. There has never been a day when I didn't have to download something. If MS actually wrote a decent set of programs, and the OS itself, we might not be in this situation. Linux is far far more secure and being open source, fixes get produced pretty damned quickly. There was a recent article in New Scientist entitles 'Not so clever now eh' (or similar) whereby it was announced that Linux had had 24 alerts notified but Windows only had 6. The missing information was that the Linux ones were all already fixed, while Windows still hasn't fixed their 6 - who's clever now then ? Still, and in an attempt to at least mention our esteemed platform of choice, at least we don't have to worry about virusses on the QL do we ? Apart from the one I wrote many years ago :o) Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Internet on the QL
Someone asking me to tamper with Unixy or Windows-style software? I can just see Roy Wood gritting his teeth in fear now ;-) Tsk tsk... I am sure Roy won't mind ;-) I have only sympathy for the software itself if it has to stand being handled by Dilwyn. Hey maybe we should start a new O/S 'Dilwyndows' I will throw this open to suggestions as to features. Lets see how creative you can be. Well 1. Only runs in MODE 4 colours - Green and red mainly, as per welsh flag. 2. Plays whats new pussycat? by Tom Jones while loading. 3. Has a choice of sheep or leeks as a wallpaper theme. 4. Has an LWPM (large Welshman protection mode) in which the keyboard and mouse don't work (only way to prevent Dil doing any damage) 5. Has dual processor/motherboard functionality - one intel/AMD and one 68xxx, so if Dil buggers up the Intel part, he can switch to 68xxx mode. 6. Has Welsh language Icons and help files (by default) 7. Has in-built, anti-virus protection called know-leeks 1.0 8. Supports a new graphic file format, similar to GIF and TIFF, called CarDIFF. 9. The error sound is a sheep going baa How that for starters? Darren. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Darren Branagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I have only sympathy for the software itself if it has to stand being handled by Dilwyn. Hey maybe we should start a new O/S 'Dilwyndows' I will throw this open to suggestions as to features. Lets see how creative you can be. Well 1. Only runs in MODE 4 colours - Green and red mainly, as per welsh flag. 2. Plays whats new pussycat? by Tom Jones while loading. 3. Has a choice of sheep or leeks as a wallpaper theme. 4. Has an LWPM (large Welshman protection mode) in which the keyboard and mouse don't work (only way to prevent Dil doing any damage) 5. Has dual processor/motherboard functionality - one intel/AMD and one 68xxx, so if Dil buggers up the Intel part, he can switch to 68xxx mode. 6. Has Welsh language Icons and help files (by default) 7. Has in-built, anti-virus protection called know-leeks 1.0 8. Supports a new graphic file format, similar to GIF and TIFF, called CarDIFF. 9. The error sound is a sheep going baa How that for starters? Hilarious, Darren, you obviously know your Dilwyn ... :-) -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Using text editors and changing lines beginning with a # sign, is not everyone's taste I am sure. Yes, but you only have to do it once :-) But that's also a challenge for good guys like Dilwyn to sink his teeth in :-) I am sure he can write a configuration program for that sort of stuff (Yeah, sure throw the ball to poor Dilwyn's court. -Ed.) Ffibys Someone asking me to tamper with Unixy or Windows-style software? I can just see Roy Wood gritting his teeth in fear now ;-) (Too busy anyway) Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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. writes: BTW: Due to the birth of my son I realise that I haven't uploaded the Congratulations!! appropriate files (as promised in the article) to my webserver. These will be put there later tonight for everyone to download. If you download these qxl.win files you can ensure that the programs therein are fully tested and guaranteed to work with all three emulators: QPC II v.3.30 and later, QemuLator v.2.3.2 and greater (Expanded registration ONLY) and uQLx (*NIX and Mac editions but NOT Windows). They also have a good set of gnu tools and other unix ported commands as well as a fully set up Shell so you can unixify your QDOS experience (I refer you to Tim Swenson's article on a previous QLT... check Dilwyn's site for the exact volume/issue) That would be nice, yes. Would you also be able to put up a non-RARified version of win32uQLx? Afterall, zip is the current standard archiving method on win32.. Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Internet on the QL
On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 05:27:14 -0400, P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . writes: BTW: Due to the birth of my son I realise that I haven't uploaded the Congratulations!! Thanks :-) snip That would be nice, yes. Would you also be able to put up a non-RARified version of win32uQLx? Afterall, zip is the current standard archiving method on win32.. The reasons why I switched to RAR are that: 1. I have purchased it ;-) 2. For some reasons the zip archives were broken 3. It compresses 20-30% better that specific archive and it's even better in not-too-full qxl.win files but if that is the consensus, then I will replace all archives :-) Ffibys ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Arnold Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I may have not given the right info. When I type in ex win1_lx_lynxenter I get the window displayed and in the window is a message saying Your Terminal Type is Unknown ... Enter a Terminal Type I enter VT-52 or VT100 but it just drops out You need to run the boot file that Phoebus supplied on page 26 of QL Today - Vol 9 Issue 6 March/April 2005. The environment variables are set up in the boot file to get around that, and lynx is launched from the boot file itself. Depending what you system is like either run the boot independently or incorporate it in to you own boot file. I have saved it as 'boot_lx', so I run it from there. If you wish I can email you my 'boot_lx' ? -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Internet on the QL
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Öïßâïò Ñ. Íôüêïò writes: BTW: Due to the birth of my son I realise that I haven't uploaded the Congratulations!! appropriate files (as promised in the article) to my webserver. These will be put there later tonight for everyone to download. If you download these qxl.win files you can ensure that the programs therein are fully tested and guaranteed to work with all three emulators: QPC II v.3.30 and later, QemuLator v.2.3.2 and greater (Expanded registration ONLY) and uQLx (*NIX and Mac editions but NOT Windows). They also have a good set of gnu tools and other unix ported commands as well as a fully set up Shell so you can unixify your QDOS experience (I refer you to Tim Swenson's article on a previous QLT... check Dilwyn's site for the exact volume/issue) That would be nice, yes. Would you also be able to put up a non-RARified version of win32uQLx? Afterall, zip is the current standard archiving method on win32.. Although, when you have downloaded the free RAR software, it does have a very nice and easy to use interface ... :-) -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], =?windows-1253?B?UGhvZWJ1cyBSLiBEb2tvcyAo1u/f4u/yINEuIM30/Orv8ik=?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:59:39 -0400, Arnold Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Phoebus, Just a thanks to you for your excellent first article on internet access for the QL in QL Today magazine - Volume 9, Issue 6, March/April 2005. Thank you :-) I am glad that it is of some use to users :-) Actually the second part... native hardware etc. is even more exciting. I am actually running Arachne and nettamer on my Q40 under PC Conqueror SE and it is pretty amazing... (Put PCs to work for QLs is ALWAYS fun wouldn't you agree?) No problem ... we all need stimulating articles to read and act upon. Looking forward to then next part ... it does sound amazing ... :-) You tempted me in to doing the downloads of the software ported from UNIX by Jonathan Hudson : QL-Lynx, QL-FTP, QPOP3 and QDOS Emailer. All available at : http://www.daria.co.uk With your instructions, lynx worked first time ! ... and nice to see it making use of the full screen with SMSQ/E and QPC. I thought it was fun too... Plus it gave me an excuse for a plug to Tony's website which I find always very elegant in its simplicity... not to mention that it looks great in QL colours and fonts ;-) (Tony you can send me that cheque in the usual address) He ... he ... obviously I tried my own web site first ... :-) I had previously had it working in an earlier version in a QDOS window of 512x256. The good thing and a testament to Jonathan's port's quality is that it works virtually everywhere :-) Yes, I never doubt anything from Jonathan. I remember having a good chat with him at QL2000, and whilst discussing everything, he never stopped programming and compiling on his portable ... :-) I hope to find time to explore the FTP and email instructions more fully later in the week. Looking forward to the continuation in the next issue too. I note that lynx was written for UNIX by Seung-Hong Oh, in 1996, whom I can assume was a student at the time. That would be fetchpop actually... I am currently working on a different mail client that is not as restricted as fetchpop (Mind you fetchpop is the exact same software -with minor alterations- that is used with soQL). Unfortunately fetchpop has severe limitations... plus it is a real pain in the rear to use, however for the time being is one of two choices ;-) Ah glad to hear of an improvement already. As for lynx, there are newer versions but I haven't had time to explore newest compilations. I know that one or two people have ported more recent versions of lynx to the ql but I am not even sure these support the https: protocol either. I will have to look into it. OK. Just that we may as well be as up to date as possible. He mentions as upgraded version being available in one of the texts, which presumably did get completed, as this is nearly ten years ago. I haven't seen one. I've been working on a completely different one that will be compatible with all major QL internet solutions including qlwIP. Unfortunately work on freeQDOS has a greater priority. As release milestone 1 approaches (freeQDOS can now boot but not do much else on a Q40 and Q60) I will be able to spend more time on that. Umm ... very interesting. One of the things the QL port would benefit from is a nice 'front end' to integrate this as a suite of applications. Also a menu driven way of providing the details of the users system and preferences. Exactly. I believe you will feel more at home therefore with QPOP3 which is graphical. With minor alterations, it can also get the system palette etc. to look up to date compared with modern PE software... Yes exactly ... it is just the convenience of a graphical GUI. Using text editors and changing lines beginning with a # sign, is not everyone's taste I am sure. Yes, but you only have to do it once :-) But that's also a challenge for good guys like Dilwyn to sink his teeth in :-) I am sure he can write a configuration program for that sort of stuff (Yeah, sure throw the ball to poor Dilwyn's court. -Ed.) I know, no particular problem for myself with # sign coding lines. I had lots of experience of with early RISCOS internet software, before that became graphically integrated. Yet we as QL users need user friendliness now. I am really looking forward to QDT exploiting all of this potential. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Using text editors and changing lines beginning with a # sign, is not everyone's taste I am sure. Yes, but you only have to do it once :-) But that's also a challenge for good guys like Dilwyn to sink his teeth in :-) I am sure he can write a configuration program for that sort of stuff (Yeah, sure throw the ball to poor Dilwyn's court. -Ed.) Someone asking me to tamper with Unixy or Windows-style software? I can just see Roy Wood gritting his teeth in fear now ;-) (Too busy anyway) Er ... umm ... :-) ... just be content with coding a graphical front end for the lynx suite, using the new EasyPtr of course ... :-) -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Someone asking me to tamper with Unixy or Windows-style software? I can just see Roy Wood gritting his teeth in fear now ;-) Tsk tsk... I am sure Roy won't mind ;-) I feel a Byte of Wood coming on ;-) (Too busy anyway) Pfft! With enough provocation you can do anything ;-) Yeah, sulk and disappear for 3 months :-) Anyone want to be editor of a QL magazine for a while for me to catch up on other things ? 9 years (well, 9 whole volumes) has been a long time - is it a record for a QL magazine? -- Dilwyn Jones -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.18 - Release Date: 19/04/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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1. I have purchased it ;-) 2. For some reasons the zip archives were broken 3. It compresses 20-30% better that specific archive and it's even better in not-too-full qxl.win files but if that is the consensus, then I will replace all archives :-) Ffibys RAR is great, but QLers are too used to ZIP. Even though someone (might have been Derek Stewart possibly?) did port a Unrar program to QDOS. -- Dilwyn Jones -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.18 - Release Date: 19/04/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], =?windows-1253?B?UGhvZWJ1cyBSLiBEb2tvcyAo1u/f4u/yINEuIM30/Orv8ik=?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Someone asking me to tamper with Unixy or Windows-style software? I can just see Roy Wood gritting his teeth in fear now ;-) Tsk tsk... I am sure Roy won't mind ;-) I have only sympathy for the software itself if it has to stand being handled by Dilwyn. Hey maybe we should start a new O/S 'Dilwyndows' I will throw this open to suggestions as to features. Lets see how creative you can be. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 skype : royqbranch web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Dilwyn Jones writes: -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.18 - Release Date: 19/04/2005 Look at the nasty virus youve got on your computer. Probably trying to shame you into forking out more dosh. What lowlife! Time to get something better, dont you think? Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Malcolm, I may have not given the right info. When I type in ex win1_lx_lynxenter I get the window displayed and in the window is a message saying Your Terminal Type is Unknown ... Enter a Terminal Type I enter VT-52 or VT100 but it just drops out . Arnold Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Arnold Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Hi Arnold, Have you copied the 'qdos' file in to the directory 'win1_lx_terminfo_' ? The boot file by Phoebus expects to find it there, that's all, for the terminal emulation. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
