[ql-users] Jan Jones Book
John. I am still, however, very intrigued that the QUANTA limited edition states that there is a Quanta copyright and not that it was reprinted under licence If you look in any technical book you will find that the publisher has accepted the responsibility for maintaining the copyright. This appears to be standard practice and the Quanta publication was no exception. John Taylor ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Jan Jones Book
- Original Message - From: John Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:57 PM Subject: [ql-users] Jan Jones Book John. I am still, however, very intrigued that the QUANTA limited edition states that there is a Quanta copyright and not that it was reprinted under licence If you look in any technical book you will find that the publisher has accepted the responsibility for maintaining the copyright. This appears to be standard practice and the Quanta publication was no exception. John Taylor JG I would have to bow to someone with far greater knowledge than I have with regards to copyright and licences. I wasn't even a Quanta member at the time; however intriguing you find the situation. I have merely quoted from the copies that I either own or am holding on behalf of Quanta for resale in an effort to shed some light on the situation. However, as current demand (nil) is far less than availability - from various sources -does the question really require further comment? Now, should this situation reverse itself (demand greater than supply) and you know of the whereabouts of some past documentation on the topic, we would all be please to hear about it. Regards, John Gilpin. (individual) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Jan Jones Book
John Gilpin Don't get excited John. John Mason wrote to me and because he put QLUser in the subject line it was re-routed into my QLUser folder. I then replied to QLUser. Sorry. I have sent a copy to John Mason, but I agree with you, the project is a NoNo. John Taylor. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 at 22:56:12, jms1 wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Jan Jones Book On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 at 23:46:11, jms1 wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) From: Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip robots ignoring meta Somewwhere I read that these programs check to see whether the web page contains the meta tags and if not ignores them. I could be years out of date That sentence sounds worng. If they ignore the meta, then why bother to check at all? Thanks Tony it was very badly worded. What I meant to say is that crawler checks to see if the contents of the meta tags are in the body of the text. If it is not it ignores that meta tag and does not add it to the list. Not as I understand it, and -certainly- not what Google do (see my example in previous email). Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 at 23:46:11, jms1 wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) From: Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip robots ignoring meta Somewwhere I read that these programs check to see whether the web page contains the meta tags and if not ignores them. I could be years out of date That sentence sounds worng. If they ignore the meta, then why bother to check at all? I understand that the major robots simply ignore -any- text that is not shown in the main display area to the user. ie ignores meta and even title. This is -exactly- what google do. I can see the advantage. Designers can do ridiculous things with hidden data (and they -do-) but have to be circumspect with visible text. When trawling for news articles for worldnews, I very very rarely can use the meta tags as the data there is usually useless. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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http://www.sincuser.f9.co.uk/048/qlink.htm Membership is by subscription to the magazine I do think I remember that very phrase from the dim and distant past. Would this have been the short lived SUB Ah - I have now read that quote in context - it was used by IQLUG. This page was written in Sinclair User in March 1986! Dilwyn, you were right. IQLUG turned into Quanta when Leon Heller and Brian Pain were ousted at an AGM. I think the phrase carried on in Quanta ads for a few years. Tony And for anyone not knowing what IQLUG stands for it is the Independent QL Users Group, the original name for Quanta inits very early days. I'll have to have a look (to satisfy my own curiosity) to see if I can find the original constitution to see exactly where my long forgotten snippet of memory came from (yes, it's bugging me!). There's a shop in Bangor called Quantum Leap Tattooing (how do you spell that last word???). Wonder if I asked them to tattoo a QL on me if they'd know what I meant??? Reminds me of the advert seen in a tattoo shop in Oldham: Tattoos while you wait You wait while your tattoo-having friend goes under the knife, err, needle :-) There's a village near Oswestry called Quinta (not sure of the spelling, I remember it's one letter different to Quanta) Not quite - it is a Christian centre near Oswestry: http://www.touchshrewsbury.com/comdir/cditem.cfm/2658 It's signposted from the A5 to M54 route I take to most Quanta workshops, hence why I remember it... Quanta web page header Yes, the meta tags are important in getting search engines to spot you. Mentioning your subjects in the page. Links to and from. Numbers of requests for your subjects coupled with how often you update the page etc are all important. Search engines are pretty simple minded in some ways, pretty horrible to figure out in some ways too. -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 26/12/2004 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Most important is the bare text after body That is what gets picked up in -all- my web site mentions, not the META tags (even 'description' seems ignored). I gather robots mainly ignore those now, as people were putting really stupid ones with a vast number of words. It is vital to look at the body text from the start and make sure say the first 25 words make sense. For instance Google has: TF Services. Sinclair QL support. Tony Firshman's Home Page. December 5, 2004. This page holds details of/links to current TF Services ... Just as long as Google doesn't start saying Hello there, there is Tony Firshman and welcome to my website where you'll mainly find QL products... ;-)) I often have a music CD running while I'm browsing and every now and again I forget about the WAV file on your website and you end up doing a voice over and my wife and step daughter wonder who the hell's entered the house without them noticing ;-) -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 26/12/2004 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Dilwyn made the point that Quanta membership was based on a subscription to the magazine. Nothing could be further from the truth. The subscription is for membership to Quanta, period. Hmm, I must be mixing this up with another organisation. The sentence membership is by subscription to the newsletter is quite stuck in my mind. John is right, there is no mention of this in the constitution. Unless it was back in the eearly days, or one of the other groups (BBC micro, Oric etc) I was a member of back in the 1980s. I had a quick look at adverts of Quanta c. 1988 and no mention there either. WWonder where I got that from then? -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 26/12/2004 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Jan Jones Book
Dilwyn Jones wrote: Dilwyn made the point that Quanta membership was based on a subscription to the magazine. Nothing could be further from the truth. The subscription is for membership to Quanta, period. Hmm, I must be mixing this up with another organisation. The sentence membership is by subscription to the newsletter is quite stuck in my mind. John is right, there is no mention of this in the constitution. Unless it was back in the eearly days, or one of the other groups (BBC micro, Oric etc) I was a member of back in the 1980s. I had a quick look at adverts of Quanta c. 1988 and no mention there either. WWonder where I got that from then? When I joined Quanta years ago it was to receive magazine. When the magazine degenerated I no longer renewed! Being a hemisphere away Quanta was never more than a magazine to me. I have probably got more from this list than I ever got from Quanta. Lafe McCorkle ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Tony Firshman wrote: snip http://www.sincuser.f9.co.uk/048/qlink.htm Membership is by subscription to the magazine I do think I remember that very phrase from the dim and distant past. Would this have been the short lived SUB All the best - Bill ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Dilwyn made the point that Quanta membership was based on a subscription to the magazine. Nothing could be further from the truth. The subscription is for membership to Quanta, period. Hmm, I must be mixing this up with another organisation. The sentence membership is by subscription to the newsletter is quite stuck in my mind. John is right, there is no mention of this in the constitution. Unless it was back in the eearly days, or one of the other groups (BBC micro, Oric etc) I was a member of back in the 1980s. I had a quick look at adverts of Quanta c. 1988 and no mention there either. WWonder where I got that from then? When I joined Quanta years ago it was to receive magazine. When the magazine degenerated I no longer renewed! Being a hemisphere away Quanta was never more than a magazine to me. I have probably got more from this list than I ever got from Quanta. Lafe McCorkle Maybe it was like that some time ago and I'm thinking of a quote rather than advert or past constitution entry. Either way, I didn't mean to start Quanta-bashing again! -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 26/12/2004 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Tony Firshman wrote: snip http://www.sincuser.f9.co.uk/048/qlink.htm Membership is by subscription to the magazine I do think I remember that very phrase from the dim and distant past. Would this have been the short lived SUB All the best - Bill Ah yes, the Super User Bureau. Newsletter produced with a mixture of DP's DTP and my Page Designer 2 programs IIRC. Run by Richard something...anyone remember his full name? -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 26/12/2004 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Jan Jones Book
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 at 18:36:52, Dilwyn Jones wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) There's a shop in Bangor called Quantum Leap Tattooing (how do you spell that last word???). Wonder if I asked them to tattoo a QL on me if they'd know what I meant??? Reminds me of the advert seen in a tattoo shop in Oldham: Tattoos while you wait There's a village near Oswestry called Quinta (not sure of the spelling, I remember it's one letter different to Quanta) Not quite - it is a Christian centre near Oswestry: http://www.touchshrewsbury.com/comdir/cditem.cfm/2658 There are endless quanta sites, with our Quanta nowhere to be seen: Aurora Quanta (photos) Amazingly nothing to do with the QL! http://www.auroraquanta.com/ Web development tool: http://quanta.sourceforge.net/ Science fiction mag: http://www.etext.org/Zines/Quanta/ Video capture cards: http://www.quantacorp.com/ Share dealing: http://www.quantaservices.com/ Computer manufacturer: http://www.quantatw.com/ 3D modelling: http://www.accelrys.com/quanta/ networking toolkit: http://www.evl.uic.edu/cavern/quanta/ Job seeking: http://us.quanta.com/quanta/0102.asp IT training: http://www.quanta.co.uk/ ahha on the third page, -the- questionnaire: Quanta 2004 Membership Questionnaire (online form). Quanta 2004 Membership Questionnaire (txt). Quanta 2004 Membership Questionnaire (pdf). We now have about 90 replies. It looks like the Quanta site needs to do more work on getting a better text area at the top of the site. It is vital that search engines pick up text that summarises the site in as few words as possible. This search engine snippet is totally useless - it doesn't even mention Sinclair or QL. Mine comes up much more relevantly: TF Services. Sinclair QL support. Tony Firshman's Home Page. December 5, 2004. This page holds details of/links to current TF Services ... http://www.quanta.co.uk/ -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:47:14 +,() Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: I wonder what game you have got planned next ... ? Hmmm... I dunno... maybe a port of Doom? ;-) (With sufficient speed now on the new version of QPC (3.30 - another plug ;-) ) that will be possible in most colour enabled platforms (QXL excluded... Q40/60 were already capable) Phoebus -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Phoebus Dokos schrieb: Hmmm... I dunno... maybe a port of Doom? ;-) (With sufficient speed now on the new version of QPC (3.30 - another plug ;-) ) that will be possible in most colour enabled platforms (QXL excluded... Q40/60 were already capable) ... and with a multiplayer over lan option :-) wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:46:32 +0100,() wolfgang mhlegger [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: Phoebus Dokos schrieb: Hmmm... I dunno... maybe a port of Doom? ;-) (With sufficient speed now on the new version of QPC (3.30 - another plug ;-) ) that will be possible in most colour enabled platforms (QXL excluded... Q40/60 were already capable) ... and with a multiplayer over lan option :-) Let's not push it... although with the current QPC that *would* be an option and not that difficult to implement :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Jan Jones Book
Quanta is regarded by the taxman as a self trading company, that is to say it trades solely for the benefit of its members, and thus it is not liable for tax on its earnings from sales to them. Are Quanta actually allowed to sell to non-members in that case? Assuming sales to non-members are allowed, tax would presumably have to be paid. And you'd have to keep records. It wouldn't matter. A solution such as the one I propose would have someone else making the actual sale :-) snip Quanta is registered as a 'Friendly Society' and as such is exempt from VAT and Corporation Tax provided all trade is internal. Should Quanta be found to be trading with the general public then corporation tax becomes due on ALL profit. That is why no charges are made for entry to workshops. Keeping tax records is already done and an Inland Revenue return is made every year. If the Jan Jones book were sold through a third party, then the third party would have to hold the agreement, not Quanta. The current agreement is with Quanta for books printed and sold by Quanta. You could say, that the agreement was made with Quanta on the understanding that Quanta sold to it's members, avoiding that, whichever way you choose, would in my understanding be inadmissible. I am sorry if I am a wet blanket but I have felt for a long time that there is a serious lack in the perception of what Quanta is and what Quanta is not. Dilwyn made the point that Quanta membership was based on a subscription to the magazine. Nothing could be further from the truth. The subscription is for membership to Quanta, period. Having paid, YOU are Quanta. This does confer certain rights, such as a magazine and attendance at AGM's It also involves accepting some responsibilities, and this is where the members tend to be lacking. If members fail to support Quanta it starts to fall, then it is blamed, but who should you blame? Quanta is YOU. It is not just a committee. If you feel the committee is at fault, then that too is your fault, it is your committee. This may sound unpalatable, but it needed saying. The secretary has asked for nominations for the three officers and up to six other committee members. Is anybody doing anything? John Taylor ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:58:59 +,() John Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: Quanta is regarded by the taxman as a self trading company, that is to say it trades solely for the benefit of its members, and thus it is not liable for tax on its earnings from sales to them. Are Quanta actually allowed to sell to non-members in that case? Assuming sales to non-members are allowed, tax would presumably have to be paid. And you'd have to keep records. It wouldn't matter. A solution such as the one I propose would have someone else making the actual sale :-) snip Quanta is registered as a 'Friendly Society' and as such is exempt from VAT and Corporation Tax provided all trade is internal. Should Quanta be found to be trading with the general public then corporation tax becomes due on ALL profit. That is why no charges are made for entry to workshops. Keeping tax records is already done and an Inland Revenue return is made every year. All this is understood and has been exhausted as a subject. I agree the British Revenue code is foreign to me but how different can that be from not-for-profits everywhere (or societies or clubs or whatever they may be) If the Jan Jones book were sold through a third party, then the third party would have to hold the agreement, not Quanta. The current agreement is with Quanta for books printed and sold by Quanta. You could say, that the agreement was made with Quanta on the understanding that Quanta sold to it's members, avoiding that, whichever way you choose, would in my understanding be inadmissible. That I understand, but given that Quanta has the only means of communication with Mrs. Jones, it would be Quanta's job to pose the question... as we mere mortals cannot. There's no agreement per se with entities such as Cafepress, other than they provide the service and get a cut of the profits. Ie if Quanta would convince Mrs. Jones to agree to such an arrangement, Mrs. Jones would get all the profits, not Quanta. I understand that Quanta has survived following the rules to a T (not my cup of tea but nonetheless respectable) and potential complications out of a direct involvement of Quanta in such a setup would be problematic, however SURELY Quanta could accomodate the users by intermediating between some entity (or at least convincing Mrs Jones to go at it alone.. which as I said is not such big a hassle -ie the procedure is pretty straightforward-). Now of course QUANTA can chose not to do any of the above (which I suspect will be the end result anyway) but I don't see any gain in that for the QL community (Quanta members and not) at large by such inaction. If it were up to me, I would bend the rules a bit (as noone would be actually breaking a law there's no harm in that! - but that's just my opinion -) I am sorry if I am a wet blanket but I have felt for a long time that there is a serious lack in the perception of what Quanta is and what Quanta is not. Dilwyn made the point that Quanta membership was based on a subscription to the magazine. Nothing could be further from the truth. The subscription is for membership to Quanta, period. Having paid, YOU are Quanta. This does confer certain rights, such as a magazine and attendance at AGM's It also involves accepting some responsibilities, and this is where the members tend to be lacking. If members fail to support Quanta it starts to fall, then it is blamed, but who should you blame? Quanta is YOU. It is not just a committee. If you feel the committee is at fault, then that too is your fault, it is your committee. I am very sorry for all of that but Quanta itself is not without fault. A little while ago I mentioned in this list that I repeatedly contacted Quanta when I re-attached my self to the QL community back in 1997 to become a member, but nobody bothered to answer my letters (which I know where received because I tracked them through the Greek Post Office -as I was in Greece at the time-). In any case, if you don't want a new member ONCE, I'd rather not be your member 1000 times! It's simple as that. I am sure I am not the only case and definitely not the last. But I will NEVER apply for membership again with Quanta even if QUANTA pays me... not after that treatement regardless of reason. Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Jan Jones Book
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:58:59 +, John Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quanta is regarded by the taxman as a self trading company, that is to say it trades solely for the benefit of its members, and thus it is not liable for tax on its earnings from sales to them. Are Quanta actually allowed to sell to non-members in that case? Assuming sales to non-members are allowed, tax would presumably have to be paid. And you'd have to keep records. It wouldn't matter. A solution such as the one I propose would have someone else making the actual sale :-) snip Quanta is registered as a 'Friendly Society' and as such is exempt from VAT and Corporation Tax provided all trade is internal. Should Quanta be found to be trading with the general public then corporation tax becomes due on ALL profit. That is why no charges are made for entry to workshops. Keeping tax records is already done and an Inland Revenue return is made every year. In that case, it is a good job that I remain a Quanta member whilst I continue to purchase second hand items from Quanta for sale to both members and non members alike :-) If the Jan Jones book were sold through a third party, then the third party would have to hold the agreement, not Quanta. The current agreement is with Quanta for books printed and sold by Quanta. You could say, that the agreement was made with Quanta on the understanding that Quanta sold to it's members, avoiding that, whichever way you choose, would in my understanding be inadmissible. I do not understand this argument - in principle, using an online publisher to print copies on demand, would only be the same as Quanta using a publisher to produce say 100 copies of the book. If Quanta had to limit sales to members only, then so be it (presumably as a member, I could purchase copies for resale, as I do with the second hand items). Otherwise, if Quanta are not willing to do this themselves, then perhaps they would write to Jan Jones and explain the situation and ask her to contact myself directly, in which case I would offer the book for sale and have it printed on an on demand basis. The other option would be for the book to be distributed by Quanta as a PDF file only - this would incur no printing costs whatsoever (other than the cost and time of providing a link to a downloadable version to buyers). cut This may sound unpalatable, but it needed saying. The secretary has asked for nominations for the three officers and up to six other committee members. Is anybody doing anything? No idea - If health permitted, I would join the committee, but then 90% of all committee meetings and workshops are now held south of London which is too far for me to travel at the moment. Seems as though I will miss the 21st anniversary meeting as well for the same reason... -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:07:31 +,() Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: snip Yet being a member of Quanta isn't that bad :-) ... a small subscription a year helps to oils the wheels a bit. Oh I understand, but the problem is that all I can see is a bit of... ermmm... kind of e... squabbling :-) I always suspicious of someone who says ... never ... :-) I am a man of conviction what can I say :-P (Now of course I am not going to mention what kind of conviction it is... suspended, on parole etc ;-) hehehe I hope that you will never refuse to buy me a beer if we ever meet up in person ... :-) ! I would NEVER refuse a beer to anyone ;-) (okay maybe Dubya ;-) We need to just lighten up a bit and all enjoy what we do have. Yes, absolutely... that's why I am going to play a nice game of QWord :-P (PLLGG) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
