Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Tubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes At 13:53 22/05/2005 +0100, you wrote: Now for suggestions of software behaving badly ... that is valued / well used software in need of enhancement or remedial work for now and the future. My idea was with a view to a table of what WORKs where, particularly all those version numbers, and if extra memory is required, or some underlying toolkit. Yes, that would be there as well. Which would identify any software that users had a particular interest in, and which may then lead to enhancement or remedial work. Parked somewhere on the web it could save any number of lengthy, and repeated responses Easy enough ... when the hard work of the list is done. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Tubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Malcolm Cadman, A suggestion save below as a csv Software,Ver nnn,HARDWARE - OS,, ,,QL128,Cumana,CST,Medic,GoldCard,SupGoldCd,Qubide,Q40,Q60 ,Qlay,Qlay2k,QPC,QPC2,Qlem,uQLx Utilities TK2_ext PtrGen WMAN RAMPRT XTRAS etc Progs Quill Abacus Editor etc Good suggestion. Now for suggestions of software behaving badly ... that is valued / well used software in need of enhancement or remedial work for now and the future. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
At 13:53 22/05/2005 +0100, you wrote: Now for suggestions of software behaving badly ... that is valued / well used software in need of enhancement or remedial work for now and the future. My idea was with a view to a table of what WORKs where, particularly all those version numbers, and if extra memory is required, or some underlying toolkit. Parked somewhere on the web it could save any number of lengthy, and repeated responses -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 22/05/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Darren Branagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Thanks Bill. It seems there is interest in this project. I'm stunned :-)) I really want to go with the logo idea, which means 100. Years from now, when the QL is probably no more, it will be a nice thing to have. Umm ... novelty ...souvenir, and now a future antique collectors item ... it just can't fail ... :-) Looking forward to it. However, just to discuss the logo image a little further. Obviously as Sinclair no longer has an interest in the QL, wouldn't it be better to do a new 2005 edition ? Reflecting more of the present and the future. That is make use of one of the new logos designed for the modern QL scene, some of which published in QL Today, and I believe are on a web site somewhere. Also if Quanta sponsor it then a 'Quanta Edition 2005' could also be included. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
Malcolm Cadman, A suggestion save below as a csv Software,Ver nnn,HARDWARE - OS,, ,,QL128,Cumana,CST,Medic,GoldCard,SupGoldCd,Qubide,Q40,Q60 ,Qlay,Qlay2k,QPC,QPC2,Qlem,uQLx Utilities TK2_ext PtrGen WMAN RAMPRT XTRAS etc Progs Quill Abacus Editor etc -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 20/05/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
On Thu, 19 May 2005 at 16:34:10, Darren Branagh wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Secondly, if I buy 100, I can get them printed with a logo of our choice, so I could get them with a QUANTA logo on, on maybe Sinclair in the famous block font. Makes the thing a touch more personal I think. How about an image of a QL? It is roughly the right shape with the cover. This is the big question. Of the people on this list for instance, how many would buy one? Me Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
` John, I've been in contact with John Mason already. Suject to a suitable business plan, and committee approval, I think QUANTA will probably contribute to the idea. John Mason seemed in favour of the idea. Darren. -Original Message- From: John Gilpin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 May 2005 19:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly Is anyone else from QUANTA following this thread? Could we offer to buy a block of them for our members who are not in receipt of QLToday (where it will no doubt be advertised) and who are not regular workshop attendees? Your thoughts gentlemen? John Gilpin. Quanta Treasurer - Original Message - From: Bill Cable [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 6:06 PM Subject: RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly On Thu, 19 May 2005, Darren Branagh wrote: Well, that's a probable 4 - only 96 to go :-)) Hi Darren, Although I will buy 2, if you think the 15 pounds (~$30) price is accurate then I will pledge to buy 10 if you needed me to. If you can get several other pledges then your risk will be reduced enough so you might give it a try. It will be a lot of work to bundle the software with a good interface but I bet there is enough of a market to consume 100 units over time. There could be a linux version too. Great Christmas presents to those wayward QLers we all know. Of course once a buyer has one he could easily make copies for the price of the stick but a logo on yours would make them special. -- Bill ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
Secondly, if I buy 100, I can get them printed with a logo of our choice, so I could get them with a QUANTA logo on, on maybe Sinclair in the famous block font. Makes the thing a touch more personal I think. How about an image of a QL? It is roughly the right shape with the cover. Absolutely. http://www.mydisgo.com/brand_disgo.php They allow you to upload your logo and see what it looks like on one. But yes, anything that can be saved in the correct format (some sort of photoshop or illustrator format I think) can be put on the disgos, so a pic of a QL is possible. We just need to agree on what it is. This is the big question. Of the people on this list for instance, how many would buy one? Me OK. So maybe this is doable. I've got quite a bit of feedback, based on the emails I have sold about a dozen already, which is encouraging, so I'll pass that all on to QUANTA, and hopefully we can make this a reality. Cheers, Darren. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
This is the worry I had, would we sell 10 never mind 50 or 100. I would really like to commit to 100, which would make getting the logo a reality, which I think is the thing that will make the item a bit more personal, and also sellable to the QL community. It will set it apart from the ton of other USB sticks that are available everywhere. On the plus side, there has been a flurry of positive emails and commitments from quite a few people to buy one or even several. Thank you, this is the sort of thing that will encourage me. I will try and get something to John mason in the coming days - I want to contact a few more people (beta testers, and some programmers) to make sure I have a team on board before committing as I don't have the time to do this on my own anymore. Cheers, Darren. -Original Message- From: gwicks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 May 2005 19:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly - Original Message - From: Darren Branagh To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:40 PM Subject: RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly To be honest though, the fear I have is how many we'd sell. I would need to commit to buying at least 50, but more likely 100, to get decent pricing on the sticks. Typical price when available shouldn't exceed 15 pounds. Will we sell that many? This is the problem Quanta has with this project. Even 5 - 10 years ago the rule of thumb for the maximum viable production run for a hardware project was 50 units. Today even 50 may be too many. This is the reason we have asked Darren to give us some idea of costings, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
The DVD was 30 pounds, now reduced to 20 as the media and drives have fallen in price. And it is really good. I must organise a public showing of it if I can, maybe at byfleet... Bill Richardson and Tony Firshman are the two main stars :-)) Cheers, Darren. -Original Message- From: Jeremy Taffel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 May 2005 21:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly At £15 you count me in for one. How much for the stick, plus the DVD? Jeremy ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
-Original Message- From: Malcolm Cadman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 May 2005 21:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Darren Branagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Well, that's a probable 4 - only 96 to go :-)) Plus another one ... :-) Besides this will have novelty and souvenir appeal too. Indeed. Which is why I really want to get them branded with a personal logo. Darren. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
At 16:34 19/05/2005 +0100, you wrote: Surely the suite would best be moved as a Zipped collection for anyone to unwind into any device they had available, so many have camera mem cards already. No, this defeats the purpose. I can do this after the event for people who want the data, but this idea came about as a way of trying to get at those ex QLers who now have PC's on their desks. Most of these will have forgotten what ZIP is (if they ever knew) and would'nt want the hassle of finding out. You miss my point, I do NOT NOT NOT mean QDOS zippery, which might or might not work ! ! ! (Bitter experience) I would suggest a choice between QPC and QLEM as the engine. A Windows ZIp file (XP reads without further assistance) containing the Emulator and two Wins, one for progs and one with some sample data.. The punter only has to squirt it onto any suitable device and invoke the emulator which should boot directly to a menu. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 17/05/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
Count me in for a couple and I expect that a couple from the Nemqlug subgroup would also be interested. Regards, John Gilpin (individual) - Original Message - From: Darren Branagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 4:34 PM Subject: RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly -Original Message- From: David Tubbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 May 2005 16:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly At 15:40 19/05/2005 +0100, you wrote: We will probably settle on buying the 128Mb sticks - they are now the smallest we do, which only a handful of 64Mb ones remaining. I think a 70-80Mb QXL.WIN file or similar would be enough on these, and this would leave ample room for other storage uses for the owner. To be honest though, the fear I have is how many we'd sell. I would need to commit to buying at least 50, but more likely 100, to get decent pricing on the sticks. Typical price when available shouldn't exceed 15 pounds. Will we sell that many? I was wrong then, I thought you were looking to introduce a new line. Well, it's a new idea in QL terms, but USB sticks are about for years. As to Sticks, quantity why ? Primarily to make it worthwhile. Example - I spent MONTHS working on the QL DVD documentary project. Steve Reyal practically devoted his life to it in the same period. We even bought a Mini DV camera - over 600 pounds at the time - with the sole motive being the DVD. Steve (a professional broadcasting editor and DVD author) designed slides shows, sampled music, wrote scripts, and designed the menus for the whole thing. Even blank DVD media was quite expensive at the time. Even doing rostrum camera work of a QL turning for the menu sequences. How many did we sell? Errr.. About 6 of them. Total financial disaster. So, I'm eager to avoid that again. Secondly, if I buy 100, I can get them printed with a logo of our choice, so I could get them with a QUANTA logo on, on maybe Sinclair in the famous block font. Makes the thing a touch more personal I think. Surely the suite would best be moved as a Zipped collection for anyone to unwind into any device they had available, so many have camera mem cards already. No, this defeats the purpose. I can do this after the event for people who want the data, but this idea came about as a way of trying to get at those ex QLers who now have PC's on their desks. Most of these will have forgotten what ZIP is (if they ever knew) and would'nt want the hassle of finding out. If the idea is to work, it should be a matter of plugging in the USB stick, and clicking an icon - and a few seconds later you have a useable QL screen in front on you, with maybe a BOOT running displaying a menu of options, and programs to run. Dead simple. A separate question is if a memory stick is marketable at that price and would it be worthwhile to engage in. This is the big question. Of the people on this list for instance, how many would buy one? Cheers, Darren. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
A...I see what you mean. Ok, not a bad idea. I suppose this could also be available for download too. Though initially I think it better to stick (excuse pun) with the easy boot from the device idea... Darren. -Original Message- From: David Tubbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 May 2005 17:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly At 16:34 19/05/2005 +0100, you wrote: Surely the suite would best be moved as a Zipped collection for anyone to unwind into any device they had available, so many have camera mem cards already. No, this defeats the purpose. I can do this after the event for people who want the data, but this idea came about as a way of trying to get at those ex QLers who now have PC's on their desks. Most of these will have forgotten what ZIP is (if they ever knew) and would'nt want the hassle of finding out. You miss my point, I do NOT NOT NOT mean QDOS zippery, which might or might not work ! ! ! (Bitter experience) I would suggest a choice between QPC and QLEM as the engine. A Windows ZIp file (XP reads without further assistance) containing the Emulator and two Wins, one for progs and one with some sample data.. The punter only has to squirt it onto any suitable device and invoke the emulator which should boot directly to a menu. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 17/05/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
On Thu, 19 May 2005, Darren Branagh wrote: Well, that's a probable 4 - only 96 to go :-)) Hi Darren, Although I will buy 2, if you think the 15 pounds (~$30) price is accurate then I will pledge to buy 10 if you needed me to. If you can get several other pledges then your risk will be reduced enough so you might give it a try. It will be a lot of work to bundle the software with a good interface but I bet there is enough of a market to consume 100 units over time. There could be a linux version too. Great Christmas presents to those wayward QLers we all know. Of course once a buyer has one he could easily make copies for the price of the stick but a logo on yours would make them special. -- Bill ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
Is anyone else from QUANTA following this thread? Could we offer to buy a block of them for our members who are not in receipt of QLToday (where it will no doubt be advertised) and who are not regular workshop attendees? Your thoughts gentlemen? John Gilpin. Quanta Treasurer - Original Message - From: Bill Cable [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 6:06 PM Subject: RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly On Thu, 19 May 2005, Darren Branagh wrote: Well, that's a probable 4 - only 96 to go :-)) Hi Darren, Although I will buy 2, if you think the 15 pounds (~$30) price is accurate then I will pledge to buy 10 if you needed me to. If you can get several other pledges then your risk will be reduced enough so you might give it a try. It will be a lot of work to bundle the software with a good interface but I bet there is enough of a market to consume 100 units over time. There could be a linux version too. Great Christmas presents to those wayward QLers we all know. Of course once a buyer has one he could easily make copies for the price of the stick but a logo on yours would make them special. -- Bill ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
- Original Message - From: Darren Branagh To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:40 PM Subject: RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly To be honest though, the fear I have is how many we'd sell. I would need to commit to buying at least 50, but more likely 100, to get decent pricing on the sticks. Typical price when available shouldn't exceed 15 pounds. Will we sell that many? This is the problem Quanta has with this project. Even 5 - 10 years ago the rule of thumb for the maximum viable production run for a hardware project was 50 units. Today even 50 may be too many. This is the reason we have asked Darren to give us some idea of costings, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
At 15 you count me in for one. How much for the stick, plus the DVD? Jeremy ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Tubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes At 19:12 17/05/2005 +0100, Malcolm Cadman wrote: Then there are the compatibility issues with older software running on newer hardware or emulators. What do people want to see happen ? A little while ago Dilwyn gave a comprehensive list of Pointer Env requirements, time consuming, and how many times might such info be given ? My thoughts were why not a chart in spreadsheet form to show what works where and what does not ? I would suggest a column for each possible hardware and OS possibility. Col's for bare QL128, with TK2, then various floppy i/f's (I expect there are difff's between types), then HDD addons, then the newer hardware and various emulators. Yes, a good suggestion. Can you give a simple text example with some software that you use ? -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Darren Branagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes -Original Message- From: David Tubbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 May 2005 15:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly There are atleast two very different users, those who have been using all along and those who would try to pick it up again after a long break. The latter is not as easy as it might seem, in the early days one added to noes system gradually, building slowly, very much harder to put everything together in a lump and remember how to write an efficient boot file. Which was why I made a suggestion under Darren Brannah's New Product Subject (100% ignored) for an emulator and full working environment on a memory card or stick. A complete Newbie could get started right away with a collection of PD software and sample progs. snip We will probably settle on buying the 128Mb sticks - they are now the smallest we do, which only a handful of 64Mb ones remaining. I think a 70-80Mb QXL.WIN file or similar would be enough on these, and this would leave ample room for other storage uses for the owner. To be honest though, the fear I have is how many we'd sell. I would need to commit to buying at least 50, but more likely 100, to get decent pricing on the sticks. Typical price when available shouldn't exceed 15 pounds. Will we sell that many? It all sounds promising, Darren. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Darren Branagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Well, that's a probable 4 - only 96 to go :-)) Plus another one ... :-) Besides this will have novelty and souvenir appeal too. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly
Hi, Is that for 128Mb USB 2.0 Flash Memory Sticks... Derek Darren Branagh wrote: Well, that's a probable 4 - only 96 to go :-)) Darren. -Original Message- From: John Gilpin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 May 2005 17:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly Count me in for a couple and I expect that a couple from the Nemqlug subgroup would also be interested. Regards, John Gilpin (individual) - Original Message - From: Darren Branagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 4:34 PM Subject: RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly -Original Message- From: David Tubbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 May 2005 16:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ql-users] Software behaving badly At 15:40 19/05/2005 +0100, you wrote: We will probably settle on buying the 128Mb sticks - they are now the smallest we do, which only a handful of 64Mb ones remaining. I think a 70-80Mb QXL.WIN file or similar would be enough on these, and this would leave ample room for other storage uses for the owner. To be honest though, the fear I have is how many we'd sell. I would need to commit to buying at least 50, but more likely 100, to get decent pricing on the sticks. Typical price when available shouldn't exceed 15 pounds. Will we sell that many? I was wrong then, I thought you were looking to introduce a new line. Well, it's a new idea in QL terms, but USB sticks are about for years. As to Sticks, quantity why ? Primarily to make it worthwhile. Example - I spent MONTHS working on the QL DVD documentary project. Steve Reyal practically devoted his life to it in the same period. We even bought a Mini DV camera - over 600 pounds at the time - with the sole motive being the DVD. Steve (a professional broadcasting editor and DVD author) designed slides shows, sampled music, wrote scripts, and designed the menus for the whole thing. Even blank DVD media was quite expensive at the time. Even doing rostrum camera work of a QL turning for the menu sequences. How many did we sell? Errr.. About 6 of them. Total financial disaster. So, I'm eager to avoid that again. Secondly, if I buy 100, I can get them printed with a logo of our choice, so I could get them with a QUANTA logo on, on maybe Sinclair in the famous block font. Makes the thing a touch more personal I think. Surely the suite would best be moved as a Zipped collection for anyone to unwind into any device they had available, so many have camera mem cards already. No, this defeats the purpose. I can do this after the event for people who want the data, but this idea came about as a way of trying to get at those ex QLers who now have PC's on their desks. Most of these will have forgotten what ZIP is (if they ever knew) and would'nt want the hassle of finding out. If the idea is to work, it should be a matter of plugging in the USB stick, and clicking an icon - and a few seconds later you have a useable QL screen in front on you, with maybe a BOOT running displaying a menu of options, and programs to run. Dead simple. A separate question is if a memory stick is marketable at that price and would it be worthwhile to engage in. This is the big question. Of the people on this list for instance, how many would buy one? Cheers, Darren. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
OT: Paging Derek (Was:Re: [ql-users] Software behaving badly)
On Thu, 19 May 2005 16:21:04 -0400, Derek Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Derek, did you get my email I sent you about 2 weeks ago (in reply to your email)? Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Software behaving badly
I think it is time that we had a debate about what software we want for the original QL specification OS and its descendants, and what we want for the SMSQ OS successor and even beyond ... There seems to be only 2 licence types of software for the QL - software the costs and software that is free. Shareware, or the like, doesn't really figure very much. Then there are the compatibility issues with older software running on newer hardware or emulators. What do people want to see happen ? -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
