Re: [Ql-Users] A polite request

2018-02-16 Thread pjwitte via Ql-Users

On 15/02/2018 21:07, Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users wrote:
<> There is plenty one could moan about on this list if one were 
thus inclined. Nuff said.


Oh, I would tend to disagree there. Respectfully disagree of course. 
I think this is one of the better lists I enjoy reading - even when 
the subject has little or no interest for me - and responding to as 
and when appropriate. 
I was thinking more of how (physically) messy it sometimes gets. The 
excuses I make for others in such instances is that it may have to do 
with how familiar they are with evolving vagaries of their various 
email clients. When Im forced to use Google's webmail interface, I 
have no idea what the result looks like for anyone else. It tries too 
hard to be helpful in doing stuff I just dont want done! Ive had the 
extreme annoyance and embarassment of accidentally forwarding 
information sent by one party to another that wasnt supposed to see 
that information. This despite the efforts I made to ensure it didnt 
happen. The only upside to such potential calamity is that other 
people do it too, and so one may acquire useful information one was 
not supposed to have ;)


Per
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Re: [Ql-Users] A polite request

2018-02-15 Thread Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users

Evening Per,

On 15/02/18 17:42, pjwitte via Ql-Users wrote:

For my part, I believe Ive apologised very handsomely for the error of 
my ways (although any forgiveness still seems to be working its way 
though my accuser's brain) so I have no more to give on this and require 
no further instruction. 


Look back up the thread, you were forgiven. Not that you needed 
forgiving, other people do it too. It's a minor irritation and certainly 
not something to lose sleep over.



Nor will I take kindly to any further reprimand 
on the topic. There is plenty one could moan about on this list if one 
were thus inclined. Nuff said.


Oh, I would tend to disagree there. Respectfully disagree of course. I 
think this is one of the better lists I enjoy reading - even when the 
subject has little or no interest for me - and responding to as and when 
appropriate.


We are a pretty friendly bunch on here, in my opinion.


Cheers,
Norm.

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Re: [Ql-Users] A polite request

2018-02-15 Thread pjwitte via Ql-Users

On 15/02/2018 14:32, Marcos Cruz via Ql-Users wrote:

En/Je/On 2018-02-14 19:40, Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users escribió / skribis
/ wrote :


Please, please, please do not "hijack" a thread. Don't reply to a
thread and change the subject to something completely unrelated.

I agree. That is important. I support your request.

<>
For my part, I believe Ive apologised very handsomely for the error of 
my ways (although any forgiveness still seems to be working its way 
though my accuser's brain) so I have no more to give on this and 
require no further instruction. Nor will I take kindly to any further 
reprimand on the topic. There is plenty one could moan about on this 
list if one were thus inclined. Nuff said.


Per
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Re: [Ql-Users] A polite request

2018-02-15 Thread Marcos Cruz via Ql-Users
En/Je/On 2018-02-14 19:40, Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users escribió / skribis
/ wrote :

> Please, please, please do not "hijack" a thread. Don't reply to a
> thread and change the subject to something completely unrelated.

I agree. That is important. I support your request.

Some times, email users _reply_ to whatever message they are reading,
change the subject and write a message on a totally different topic...
That makes some things more difficult for others, especially on email
lists.

All email messages have a metadatum in its header containing the unique
identifier of the replied email, if any. That is how email clients can
sort messages hierarchicaly.  The problem is some web-mail services
(including Gmail), or even some "actual" email clients, thread messages
_also_ by the subject line...  I guess that's why some users are not
aware of the problem.  But threading by subject line is a cosmetic
trick: the real link between messages is still there, in their internal
header.

Of course, sometimes it's necessary to change the subject in the middle
of a thread, but only when the conversation _naturally_ leads to a
different topic.  In those cases, the change helps to identify the topic
branches in the hierarchy. And there's a convention for that:

  Subject: Re: Original topic

  Subject: Modified topic (Was: Re: Original topic)

Hope this helps.

> If you start a new thread by replying to another, and change the
> subject, your threaded topic ends up hidden within the original topic

Exactly.

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Re: [Ql-Users] A polite request

2018-02-14 Thread pjwitte via Ql-Users
Ah, I see. Although I too use Thunderbird (except when Im on the hoof) 
I never realised thats how it worked. Very sorry. Pure ignorance not 
callous disregard for anyone's finer sensitivities. Also, being 
slightly dyxlespic I forget whether top or bottom posting is /de 
rigueu/r on this list. I remember that getting it wrong drove poor 
Tony Firshman spare! Sadly he hasnt been around for a while to give us 
a timely reminder. Anyway, this may be a good time to remind ourselves 
of Napoleon's excellent maxim: Dont put down the malice that which can 
adequately be explained by incompetence!


Per
On 14/02/2018 21:24, Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users wrote:

Hi Per,

On 14/02/18 20:21, pjwitte via Ql-Users wrote:
If Ive sinned, Norm, please forgive. Are you refering to anything I 
did? I ax cause I havent noticed the problem, so perhaps I missed 
something?
Anyway, enjoy your wine, although I would have thought a hot toddy 
would bring more cheer after your wet waddle to Waitrose..


Per


on this occasion, you just happened to be the victim, yes. Other 
culprits have done it before, not just to me though. So worry ye not!


I also get this on some Oracle lists that I follow for work, it's a 
right pain, and even when the mods tell people off, they still do it.


I'm currently scoffing a hot, decaf latte, one wine a  night midweek 
is enough, I need to be up early tomorrow and at work by 7AM.



Cheers,
Norm.



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Re: [Ql-Users] A polite request

2018-02-14 Thread Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users

On 14/02/18 20:22, Dave Park via Ql-Users wrote:

Also, have you guys been following my new hardware releases on the forums
recently?


I see what you did there Dave! ;-)

And, yes, I have been following.


Cheers,
Norm.

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Re: [Ql-Users] A polite request

2018-02-14 Thread Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users

Hi Per,

On 14/02/18 20:21, pjwitte via Ql-Users wrote:
If Ive sinned, Norm, please forgive. Are you refering to anything I did? 
I ax cause I havent noticed the problem, so perhaps I missed something?
Anyway, enjoy your wine, although I would have thought a hot toddy would 
bring more cheer after your wet waddle to Waitrose..


Per


on this occasion, you just happened to be the victim, yes. Other 
culprits have done it before, not just to me though. So worry ye not!


I also get this on some Oracle lists that I follow for work, it's a 
right pain, and even when the mods tell people off, they still do it.


I'm currently scoffing a hot, decaf latte, one wine a  night midweek is 
enough, I need to be up early tomorrow and at work by 7AM.



Cheers,
Norm.

--
Norman Dunbar
Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd

Registered address:
27a Lidget Hill
Pudsey
West Yorkshire
United Kingdom
LS28 7LG

Company Number: 05132767
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Re: [Ql-Users] A polite request

2018-02-14 Thread Dave Park via Ql-Users
I don't know...

Having to read ALL THE THREADS sounds like an appropriate punishment for a
man who is so neglectful of his poor, loving wife. In a far off land, all
alone, just these young native men who are half naked all over the place,
virile and free.

Hell, got any of that wine left? :P

Right, to the request!

It's part of netiquette that if you drift a conversation of topic, you're
supposed to rename the thread to cover the new direction. It should still
nest under the original thread in mail readers.

This is why I mostly use the forums

I also hate it when people drift off topic within a thread!

Also, have you guys been following my new hardware releases on the forums
recently?

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:40 PM, Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:

> Good Evening All,
>
> my wife is currently in Central America, chasing sloths, and I've been
> lambasted because she didn't get her Valentine's card. Go figure, it's
> waiting here for he but that's not good enough - I should have hidden in in
> her suitcase!
>
> That's just so you know what kind of night I'm having, plus, is pi55ing
> down and I'm soaked having just (stupidly) decided to walk to the
> supermarket. And back, with the shopping!
>
>
> Right, the request...
>
> Please, please, please do not "hijack" a thread. Don't reply to a thread
> and change the subject to something completely unrelated. Thanks.
>
> It's a complete pain in the backside (see, I'm being polite!) when I miss
> out on some interesting topics because someone has replied to another
> thread that I'm not following.
>
> It's especially painful when someone replied to my threads - I don't tend
> to read my own stuff after the topic has come to a graceful conclusion, so
> the new topic thread remain hidden within my ramblings. I just noticed a
> new topic thread hidden in my recent "Assembly language ePeriodical Issue
> 4" thread.
>
> I use Thunderbird, I have it configured to list emails in threads, and in
> reverse date order with most recent first. If you start a new thread by
> replying to another, and change the subject, your threaded topic ends up
> hidden within the original topic thread and I miss out on stuff!
>
> Anyway, I just wanted to get that off my chest!
>
> Cheers,
> Norm.
>
> PS. Yes, I have had a large glass of crisp white wine tonight! ;-)
>
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> Norman Dunbar
> Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd
>
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> 27a Lidget Hill
> Pudsey
> West Yorkshire
> United Kingdom
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>
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Re: [Ql-Users] A polite request

2018-02-14 Thread pjwitte via Ql-Users
If Ive sinned, Norm, please forgive. Are you refering to anything I 
did? I ax cause I havent noticed the problem, so perhaps I missed 
something?
Anyway, enjoy your wine, although I would have thought a hot toddy 
would bring more cheer after your wet waddle to Waitrose..


Per
On 14/02/2018 20:40, Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users wrote:

Good Evening All,

my wife is currently in Central America, chasing sloths, and I've 
been lambasted because she didn't get her Valentine's card. Go 
figure, it's waiting here for he but that's not good enough - I 
should have hidden in in her suitcase!


That's just so you know what kind of night I'm having, plus, is 
pi55ing down and I'm soaked having just (stupidly) decided to walk 
to the supermarket. And back, with the shopping!



Right, the request...

Please, please, please do not "hijack" a thread. Don't reply to a 
thread and change the subject to something completely unrelated. 
Thanks.


It's a complete pain in the backside (see, I'm being polite!) when I 
miss out on some interesting topics because someone has replied to 
another thread that I'm not following.


It's especially painful when someone replied to my threads - I don't 
tend to read my own stuff after the topic has come to a graceful 
conclusion, so the new topic thread remain hidden within my 
ramblings. I just noticed a new topic thread hidden in my recent 
"Assembly language ePeriodical Issue 4" thread.


I use Thunderbird, I have it configured to list emails in threads, 
and in reverse date order with most recent first. If you start a new 
thread by replying to another, and change the subject, your threaded 
topic ends up hidden within the original topic thread and I miss out 
on stuff!


Anyway, I just wanted to get that off my chest!

Cheers,
Norm.

PS. Yes, I have had a large glass of crisp white wine tonight! ;-)



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