Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news

2018-03-30 Thread Fabrizio Diversi via Ql-Users

Thank you Marcel! Really good news.

I am using QL-SD adapter since quite a lot of time and it is 
definitively an important upgrade for the BBQL


I am not sure if I understood well and you will produce some units by 
yourself, In case yes I will be delighted to have one board (may be 2 
:-):-))


Thank you again

Fabrizio
On 29/03/2018 23:29, Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users wrote:

Speaking of only announcing stuff that basically already works, I have
made huge progress regarding my work on QL-SD that I was going to
write about today anyway:

https://www.kilgus.net/2018/03/29/ql-sd-news/

Hope this is interesting to you all.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news

2018-03-29 Thread Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users
Dave Park via Ql-Users wrote:
> This is amazing work!

Thanks.

> It also means I can stop my occasional work on my QL-SD version. I have no
> desire to sell a QL-SD into a crowded marketplace.
>
> Instead, I'd like to buy one for compatibility testing on Issue 8.

We can certainly arrange something :-)

> This lets me focus on other projects that I have been neglecting this last
> month, due to life events.

Good to hear, frankly it seemed to me like you have too many irons in
the fire at once again anyway. That's the recipe for never finishing
anything. I know because I tend to do that, too... :(

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news

2018-03-29 Thread Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users
Peter Graf via Ql-Users wrote:
>> As far as I could gather in my limited tests, INGOT 5 never worked
>> (which includes the Tetroid) and INGOT 6 worked or at least mostly
>> worked.
> That makes me a little sceptic, because I have one labelled "INGOT 5"
> which worked (with the original driver and not fully reliable).

There are possibly other factors as well, but it doesn't really
matter. The key here is to only sample the lines at a point in time
when you know they must be valid because otherwise the QL would not
work at all.

>>> As for the daughter board, why do you want to re-design it?
>> 
>> Using the push-to-eject style daughter boards is a lot cheaper and
>> easier to do than your original design.
> The card socket I used was around 2 € the last time I looked - no idea
> why it should be hard to solder. Well, matter of taste.

That is indeed cheaper than I expected, Reichelt was at 5€ IIRC. The
whole daugther board including SD socket, voltage regulator and
resistors however costs 1,50€ when bought from a reseller in Germany
or 50ct when bought directly in China... so it's not only cheaper but
saves time in manufacturing.

>> Besides, I don't have your original designs ;)
> There is also the option to ask ;)

I'm a naturally shy guy ;-)

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news

2018-03-29 Thread Peter Graf via Ql-Users
Am 30.03.2018 um 00:47 schrieb Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users:
> Peter Graf via Ql-Users wrote:
>> Did you test your logic changes with a non-Tetroid GC inside a QL where
>> the original logic did *not* work reliably?
>>
>> I'm asking, because IIRC you reported total failure of the original
>> logic with the Tetroid GC, while my experience was, that non-Tetroid GC
>> always basically worked, just not reliably in some QLs.
> 
> As far as I could gather in my limited tests, INGOT 5 never worked
> (which includes the Tetroid) and INGOT 6 worked or at least mostly
> worked.

That makes me a little sceptic, because I have one labelled "INGOT 5"
which worked (with the original driver and not fully reliable).

>> As for the daughter board, why do you want to re-design it?
> 
> Using the push-to-eject style daughter boards is a lot cheaper and
> easier to do than your original design. 

The card socket I used was around 2 € the last time I looked - no idea
why it should be hard to solder. Well, matter of taste.

> Besides, I don't have your original designs ;)

There is also the option to ask ;)

All the best
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news

2018-03-29 Thread Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users
Peter Graf via Ql-Users wrote:
> Did you test your logic changes with a non-Tetroid GC inside a QL where
> the original logic did *not* work reliably?
>
> I'm asking, because IIRC you reported total failure of the original
> logic with the Tetroid GC, while my experience was, that non-Tetroid GC
> always basically worked, just not reliably in some QLs.

As far as I could gather in my limited tests, INGOT 5 never worked
(which includes the Tetroid) and INGOT 6 worked or at least mostly
worked. Difficult to tell because the software had a few remaining
issues, too, but I haven't been able to crash it or corrupt any data
for a few days so I consider it stable now.

> That would mean conclusions from Tetroid to non-Tetroid is not
> possible.

Original INGOT 5 GCs were tested and started to work, too. Not with
the latest logic that includes the SGC fix, but the GC fix alone
already worked for them and if anything the latest version should make
it even more stable.

> As for the daughter board, why do you want to re-design it?

Using the push-to-eject style daughter boards is a lot cheaper and
easier to do than your original design. Besides, I don't have your
original designs ;) Only problem is that the card cannot be centered
in the MDV drive with them, which bothers me a bit but is difficult to
change due to the positions of the screws. Also, dual-slot would be
cool.

> Will you upload your logic changes to the QL-SD section of Dilwyn's site?

Eventually, sure.

All the best, Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news

2018-03-29 Thread Peter Graf via Ql-Users
Am 29.03.2018 um 23:29 schrieb Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users:
> Speaking of only announcing stuff that basically already works, I have
> made huge progress regarding my work on QL-SD that I was going to
> write about today anyway:
> 
> https://www.kilgus.net/2018/03/29/ql-sd-news/

Must have been a lot of work. Let's hope there will be no further
issues, as there is quite a number of combinations to test. By the way,
interesting to hear that you prefer my original idea of an internal
version.

Did you test your logic changes with a non-Tetroid GC inside a QL where
the original logic did *not* work reliably?

I'm asking, because IIRC you reported total failure of the original
logic with the Tetroid GC, while my experience was, that non-Tetroid GC
always basically worked, just not reliably in some QLs. That would mean
conclusions from Tetroid to non-Tetroid is not possible.

As for the daughter board, why do you want to re-design it?

Will you upload your logic changes to the QL-SD section of Dilwyn's site?

Good luck,
Peter
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news

2018-03-29 Thread Giorgio Garabello via Ql-Users
Awesome!You are the best!

2018-03-29 23:43 GMT+02:00 Graeme Gregory via Ql-Users <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com>:

>
>
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, at 10:42 PM, Dave Park via Ql-Users wrote:
> > A Lattice JTAG programmer is all.
> >
> I have a couple of FTDI JTAG doodats, but no specific Lattice one.
>
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news

2018-03-29 Thread Graeme Gregory via Ql-Users


On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, at 10:42 PM, Dave Park via Ql-Users wrote:
> A Lattice JTAG programmer is all.
> 
I have a couple of FTDI JTAG doodats, but no specific Lattice one.

Graeme
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news

2018-03-29 Thread Dave Park via Ql-Users
A Lattice JTAG programmer is all.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 4:41 PM, Graeme Gregory via Ql-Users <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, at 10:29 PM, Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users wrote:
> > Speaking of only announcing stuff that basically already works, I have
> > made huge progress regarding my work on QL-SD that I was going to
> > write about today anyway:
> >
> > https://www.kilgus.net/2018/03/29/ql-sd-news/
> >
> > Hope this is interesting to you all.
> >
> What is required to flash the CPLD (just in case I already have the
> widgets here).
>
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news

2018-03-29 Thread Graeme Gregory via Ql-Users


On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, at 10:29 PM, Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users wrote:
> Speaking of only announcing stuff that basically already works, I have
> made huge progress regarding my work on QL-SD that I was going to
> write about today anyway:
> 
> https://www.kilgus.net/2018/03/29/ql-sd-news/
> 
> Hope this is interesting to you all.
> 
What is required to flash the CPLD (just in case I already have the widgets 
here).

Graeme
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news

2018-03-29 Thread Dave Park via Ql-Users
This is amazing work!

It also means I can stop my occasional work on my QL-SD version. I have no
desire to sell a QL-SD into a crowded marketplace.

Instead, I'd like to buy one for compatibility testing on Issue 8.

This lets me focus on other projects that I have been neglecting this last
month, due to life events.

Dave

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:

> Speaking of only announcing stuff that basically already works, I have
> made huge progress regarding my work on QL-SD that I was going to
> write about today anyway:
>
> https://www.kilgus.net/2018/03/29/ql-sd-news/
>
> Hope this is interesting to you all.
>
> Cheers, Marcel
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD news

2018-03-29 Thread RWAP Software via Ql-Users

That is great news Marcel :)

Rich Mellor RWAP Software www.rwapsoftware.co.uk www.sellmyretro.com

On 2018-03-29 22:29, Marcel Kilgus via Ql-Users wrote:

Speaking of only announcing stuff that basically already works, I have
made huge progress regarding my work on QL-SD that I was going to
write about today anyway:

https://www.kilgus.net/2018/03/29/ql-sd-news/

Hope this is interesting to you all.

Cheers, Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News

2013-12-05 Thread Kenn Van Hauen
Me as well please. Kenn

Sent from my iPhone

 On 5 Dec 2013, at 10:01, Lee Privett lee.priv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Initially 2 for me too
 
 
 On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Ian Burkinshaw 
 ian.burkins...@btopenworld.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter
 
 If it helps in gaining a measure outside Germany, I would be interested in
 2/3 QL-SD units.
 
 Ian Burkinshaw
 - Original Message - From: Peter Graf pg...@q40.de
 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
 Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 5:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News
 
 
 
 Francois Lanciault wrote:
 
 Looking forward to an official news with price and availability.
 
 At the moment QL-SD is only available within Germany, orders through the
 German QL Forum. Current price is EUR 60 including a preformattet SDHC
 card, Minerva operating system and drivers EPROM, Microdrive slot access
 unit and shipment. QL-SD is in a phase of testing, gathering experience,
 improving the manual, and investigating the (Super) Gold Card issues.
 
 Should experiences and pre-orders be encouraging, the next batch is
 planned prior to the German Sinclair meeting in April.
 
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News

2013-12-05 Thread Peter
Hi,

thanks, Kenn, Lee, Ian. 

From my side, QL-SD was purely a charity project. I'm not involved in any 
commercial aspects. So except from seeing that the work of Adrian and me 
is useful for a few QLers, it won't change much if I read this here.

If you like, maybe one of you can collect emails and the numbers of 
requested devices, so they can be handed to Paul Veltjens at some point. 
At best, a member of the German forum is on this list.

Gold Card and Super Gold Card are not recommended for QL-SD at the moment, 
so please only expect QL-SD for normal QLs.

The Gold Card issues might just be version related, and if some of the 
secret Gold Card specs can be found or re-engineered, we might be able to 
solve. For example my own Gold Card seems to work.

The Super Gold Card definitely drives the QL mainboard out of the TTL 
specification electrically. It is vague wether there will be a reliable 
solution.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News

2013-12-04 Thread Dave Park
Cool! Excellent work!

Dave


On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Peter pg...@q40.de wrote:

 Hi,

 the restriction that a QL memory expansion is madatory for QL-SD has been
 removed.

 If a QL-SD filesystem of 3 MB size (and Groupsize 8) is attached, there
 still remains 62.5 KB free memory on an unexpanded QL. Not very much, but
 enough to load TK2 and still be able do useful things.

 This way, even an unexpanded QL has more mass storage than the ED floppy
 interface of a (Super) Gold Card offers, and that at harddisk speed
 without moving mechanical parts.

 (Larger filesystems, like the 64 MB default, can not be used on an
 unexpanded QL at all. This won't change.)

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News

2013-12-04 Thread Lee Privett
Totally agree, excellent work and exciting to say the least.


On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Dave Park d...@sinclairql.com wrote:

 Cool! Excellent work!

 Dave


 On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Peter pg...@q40.de wrote:

  Hi,
 
  the restriction that a QL memory expansion is madatory for QL-SD has been
  removed.
 
  If a QL-SD filesystem of 3 MB size (and Groupsize 8) is attached, there
  still remains 62.5 KB free memory on an unexpanded QL. Not very much, but
  enough to load TK2 and still be able do useful things.
 
  This way, even an unexpanded QL has more mass storage than the ED floppy
  interface of a (Super) Gold Card offers, and that at harddisk speed
  without moving mechanical parts.
 
  (Larger filesystems, like the 64 MB default, can not be used on an
  unexpanded QL at all. This won't change.)
 
  Peter
 
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News

2013-12-04 Thread Francois Lanciault

Looking forward to an official news with price and availability.

François
De: Lee Privett
Envoyé: mercredi 4 décembre 2013 10:50
À: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Répondre à: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Objet: Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News


Totally agree, excellent work and exciting to say the least.


On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Dave Park d...@sinclairql.com wrote:

 Cool! Excellent work!

 Dave


 On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Peter pg...@q40.de wrote:

  Hi,
 
  the restriction that a QL memory expansion is madatory for QL-SD has been
  removed.
 
  If a QL-SD filesystem of 3 MB size (and Groupsize 8) is attached, there
  still remains 62.5 KB free memory on an unexpanded QL. Not very much, but
  enough to load TK2 and still be able do useful things.
 
  This way, even an unexpanded QL has more mass storage than the ED floppy
  interface of a (Super) Gold Card offers, and that at harddisk speed
  without moving mechanical parts.
 
  (Larger filesystems, like the 64 MB default, can not be used on an
  unexpanded QL at all. This won't change.)
 
  Peter
 
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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News

2013-12-04 Thread Ian Burkinshaw

Hi Peter

If it helps in gaining a measure outside Germany, I would be interested in 
2/3 QL-SD units.


Ian Burkinshaw
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From: Peter Graf pg...@q40.de

To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
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Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News



Francois Lanciault wrote:


Looking forward to an official news with price and availability.


At the moment QL-SD is only available within Germany, orders through the
German QL Forum. Current price is EUR 60 including a preformattet SDHC
card, Minerva operating system and drivers EPROM, Microdrive slot access
unit and shipment. QL-SD is in a phase of testing, gathering experience,
improving the manual, and investigating the (Super) Gold Card issues.

Should experiences and pre-orders be encouraging, the next batch is
planned prior to the German Sinclair meeting in April.

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Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News

2013-12-04 Thread Francois Lanciault

Two third of a unit !! :-)

De: Ian Burkinshaw
Envoyé: mercredi 4 décembre 2013 17:02
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Objet: Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News


Hi Peter

If it helps in gaining a measure outside Germany, I would be interested in
2/3 QL-SD units.

Ian Burkinshaw
- Original Message -
From: Peter Graf pg...@q40.de
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL-SD News


 Francois Lanciault wrote:

 Looking forward to an official news with price and availability.

 At the moment QL-SD is only available within Germany, orders through the
 German QL Forum. Current price is EUR 60 including a preformattet SDHC
 card, Minerva operating system and drivers EPROM, Microdrive slot access
 unit and shipment. QL-SD is in a phase of testing, gathering experience,
 improving the manual, and investigating the (Super) Gold Card issues.

 Should experiences and pre-orders be encouraging, the next batch is
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