Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA

[Urs Koenig (QL) via Ql-Users]

Simon wrote:
> FREE Now

Thanks Simon for pointing this to us.

My membership somehow ran out end of 2017! And I missed to renew back then.

I did now rejoin using the webform.

QL forever!

Best wishes to all QLers and stay healthy!

Urs

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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA

[Darren Branagh via Ql-Users]

Many thanks for the info.. I had no idea QUANTA was now free to join,
that's great.

Had a look through the website, which is now much improved from what it was
a few years back, and saw that membership is now under 100...that shocked
me. It was in the thousands, when I first joined... 

Still, I've made contact to rejoin.

Darren Branagh

Sent from My iPhone 11 Pro

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020, 16:09 Dilwyn (gmail) via Ql-Users, <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:

> Contact same person to ask. I don't know what's available, but I would
> have
> though that issues from that recent would have been kept as PDFs rather
> than
> needing to be scanned (I may be wrong of course).
>
> membership AT quanta DOT org DOT uk   is the email address
>
> Some older scans from the early days are available to download from the
> Quanta site https://quanta.org.uk/the-ql/magazine-archive-2/
>
> Dilwyn
>
> -Original Message-
> From: simon629--- via Ql-Users
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 1:06 PM
> To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> Cc: simon...@sky.com
> Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA
>
> Thank you Dilwyn
> How do I get Back Copy's
> Hi have most of them but I need
> The ones from 2015 2016 and 2017
> in PDF Format
> Can You Help Me Dilwyn
> OK All the Best
> Simon Foster
> On Friday, 17 April 2020, 12:37:20 BST, Dilwyn (gmail) via Ql-Users
>  wrote:
>
> Read the JOIN QUANTA page on the MEMBERS tab on Quanta website at
> www.quanta.org.uk - I quote:
>
> "Join QUANTA
> ---
> Membership:
> Full membership, with the magazine sent in PDF format by email, is now free
> but must be renewed on a yearly basis to keep in-line with GDPR
> regulations.
> Subscription is by CALENDAR YEAR, and runs from the previous January.
> Members joining part way through a subscription period can also receive
> back
> issues for the current subscription period on request from the membership
> secretary."
>
> If you are willing to receive the magazine by email as a PDF file,
> membership is now free. If you wish to get paper copies, you still have to
> pay for them, but will need to contact the membership secretary John
> Southern to arrange it and ask how much.
>
> Dilwyn
>
> -Original Message-
> From: simon629--- via Ql-Users
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 11:45 AM
> To: QL Users List
> Cc: simon...@sky.com
> Subject: [Ql-Users] QUANTA
>
>
> QUANTA
> Hi everyone
>
>
> Is
> QUANTA
>
> FREE Now
> Because I can not Find no PayPal Link anymore to my £20.00
> can any one Help Me
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[Dilwyn (gmail) via Ql-Users]

Contact same person to ask. I don't know what's available, but I would have 
though that issues from that recent would have been kept as PDFs rather than 
needing to be scanned (I may be wrong of course).


membership AT quanta DOT org DOT uk   is the email address

Some older scans from the early days are available to download from the 
Quanta site https://quanta.org.uk/the-ql/magazine-archive-2/


Dilwyn

-Original Message- 
From: simon629--- via Ql-Users

Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 1:06 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Cc: simon...@sky.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA

Thank you Dilwyn
How do I get Back Copy's
Hi have most of them but I need
The ones from 2015 2016 and 2017
in PDF Format
Can You Help Me Dilwyn
OK All the Best
Simon Foster
   On Friday, 17 April 2020, 12:37:20 BST, Dilwyn (gmail) via Ql-Users 
 wrote:


Read the JOIN QUANTA page on the MEMBERS tab on Quanta website at
www.quanta.org.uk - I quote:

"Join QUANTA
---
Membership:
Full membership, with the magazine sent in PDF format by email, is now free
but must be renewed on a yearly basis to keep in-line with GDPR regulations.
Subscription is by CALENDAR YEAR, and runs from the previous January.
Members joining part way through a subscription period can also receive back
issues for the current subscription period on request from the membership
secretary."

If you are willing to receive the magazine by email as a PDF file,
membership is now free. If you wish to get paper copies, you still have to
pay for them, but will need to contact the membership secretary John
Southern to arrange it and ask how much.

Dilwyn

-Original Message- 
From: simon629--- via Ql-Users

Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 11:45 AM
To: QL Users List
Cc: simon...@sky.com
Subject: [Ql-Users] QUANTA


QUANTA
Hi everyone


Is
QUANTA

FREE Now
Because I can not Find no PayPal Link anymore to my £20.00
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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA

[simon629--- via Ql-Users]

 Thank you Dilwyn 
How do I get Back Copy's
Hi have most of them but I need
The ones from 2015 2016 and 2017
in PDF Format
Can You Help Me Dilwyn 
OK All the Best
Simon Foster
On Friday, 17 April 2020, 12:37:20 BST, Dilwyn (gmail) via Ql-Users 
 wrote:  
 
 Read the JOIN QUANTA page on the MEMBERS tab on Quanta website at 
www.quanta.org.uk - I quote:

"Join QUANTA
---
Membership:
Full membership, with the magazine sent in PDF format by email, is now free 
but must be renewed on a yearly basis to keep in-line with GDPR regulations. 
Subscription is by CALENDAR YEAR, and runs from the previous January. 
Members joining part way through a subscription period can also receive back 
issues for the current subscription period on request from the membership 
secretary."

If you are willing to receive the magazine by email as a PDF file, 
membership is now free. If you wish to get paper copies, you still have to 
pay for them, but will need to contact the membership secretary John 
Southern to arrange it and ask how much.

Dilwyn

-Original Message- 
From: simon629--- via Ql-Users
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 11:45 AM
To: QL Users List
Cc: simon...@sky.com
Subject: [Ql-Users] QUANTA


QUANTA
Hi everyone


Is
QUANTA

FREE Now
Because I can not Find no PayPal Link anymore to my £20.00
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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA

[Dilwyn (gmail) via Ql-Users]

Read the JOIN QUANTA page on the MEMBERS tab on Quanta website at 
www.quanta.org.uk - I quote:


"Join QUANTA
---
Membership:
Full membership, with the magazine sent in PDF format by email, is now free 
but must be renewed on a yearly basis to keep in-line with GDPR regulations. 
Subscription is by CALENDAR YEAR, and runs from the previous January. 
Members joining part way through a subscription period can also receive back 
issues for the current subscription period on request from the membership 
secretary."


If you are willing to receive the magazine by email as a PDF file, 
membership is now free. If you wish to get paper copies, you still have to 
pay for them, but will need to contact the membership secretary John 
Southern to arrange it and ask how much.


Dilwyn

-Original Message- 
From: simon629--- via Ql-Users

Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 11:45 AM
To: QL Users List
Cc: simon...@sky.com
Subject: [Ql-Users] QUANTA


QUANTA
Hi everyone


Is
QUANTA

FREE Now
Because I can not Find no PayPal Link anymore to my £20.00
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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta eMag

[Derek Stewart via Ql-Users]

On 15/03/18 18:51, Peter Graf via Ql-Users wrote:

The printed QUANTA magazine for December/January arrived here today.

Derek Stewart via Ql-Users wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone received the recent Quanta eMags, the last one I received in
October/November 2017. My subscription is in date.

I tried to email John Southern, but no reply, where he asked me to do an
article on the Q68.

Is Quanta still running?

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Just received the Dec 2017/Jan 2018 Quanta eMag.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta eMag

[Peter Graf via Ql-Users]

The printed QUANTA magazine for December/January arrived here today.

Derek Stewart via Ql-Users wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone received the recent Quanta eMags, the last one I received in 
> October/November 2017. My subscription is in date.
> 
> I tried to email John Southern, but no reply, where he asked me to do an 
> article on the Q68.
> 
> Is Quanta still running?
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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta eMag

[Peter Graf via Ql-Users]

Hi Derek,

I have the same problem with the magazines. I thought it was because I
could not pay QUANTA subscription for some time. QUANTA had difficulties
to tell their bank account information. I paid in January.

Maybe it is because of Lee Privett passing, which we all understand.

All the best
Peter



Am 09.03.2018 um 10:23 schrieb Derek Stewart via Ql-Users:
> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone received the recent Quanta eMags, the last one I received in 
> October/November 2017. My subscription is in date.
> 
> I tried to email John Southern, but no reply, where he asked me to do an 
> article on the Q68.
> 
> Is Quanta still running?
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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta eMag

[Dave Park via Ql-Users]

I’ll be upset if it isn’t. I just recently paid to renew for 3 years.

However, they have my utmost understanding. The magazine editor did
recently pass away.

I’d be happy to write a couple of things too.

Dave

On Friday, March 9, 2018, Derek Stewart via Ql-Users <
ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Has anyone received the recent Quanta eMags, the last one I received in
> October/November 2017. My subscription is in date.
>
> I tried to email John Southern, but no reply, where he asked me to do an
> article on the Q68.
>
> Is Quanta still running?
>
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>
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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Magazine

[John Gilpin via Ql-Users]

Hi George and others who have also missed the Apr/May issue of QUANTA eMag,

After considerable investigation, it would appear that having sent the 
Apr/May Issue of QUANTA eMag out in two batches, I may have sent the 
same batch out twice! Some time ago, I sent out the eMag out as one 
batch but together with a large .PDF file I was advised by BT that I had 
exceeded some limit that I wasn't aware of and it was suggested that I 
sent the eMag out in two batches.


Of course the error with the recent issue is entirely my fault for which 
I apologise to all affected and both John Southern and I have tried to 
keep pace with the messages received telling us that they had not 
received their eMag. I think that most of you know that I have resigned 
from the QUANTA Committee as treasurer and Membership Secretary with 
effect from the A.G.M. in April and John Southern has taken over from 
me. Good luck John!


However, just in case anyone has still not received their eMag, I have 
decided to send the eMag again to all the members who were on the second 
mailing list. To those who have already received the eMag, I offer my 
sincere apologies for any inconvenience caused by receiving a duplicate 
attachment.


Hopefully having corrected the error, I only have to say thank you to 
all who have helped me with my QLing and should any of you have a 
problem with anything that you think I can answer (or know someone who 
can), please drop me an email and I will endeavor to provide either a 
full answer or perhaps a key from which you can sort out your problem on 
your own.


To you all, I hope that you continue to get a load of pleasure from your 
QL and I look forward to following your activities either through this 
list or through the QUANTA Magazine .


Cheers and kind regards,

John Gilpin.




On 24/07/2017 16:56, George Gwilt wrote:


On 24 Jul 2017, at 16:52, John Gilpin > wrote:


My fault entirely. - See attached


Thank you

George


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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Magazine

[Klaus Frank via Ql-Users]

Hi John,

Just to tell you, that the latest issue I have recieved is Feb/Mar 2017.

Regards
Klaus Frank

Sendt fra min iPad

> Den 23. jul. 2017 kl. 20.35 skrev John Southern via Ql-Users 
> :
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have taken over as the membership secretary.
> 
> The latest magazine is incredibly late and that is purely down to me
> and I am working through that today.
> 
> Simon, Michael, Ian, you should have all received copies up to and
> including April/May 2017.
> 
> Can you send me you email address to my personal email -
> linuxtarragon@gmail just so I know I have the correct one and I will
> send out your copies.
> 
> Regards
> John Southern
> 
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 12:42 PM, IAN BURKINSHAW via Ql-Users
>  wrote:
>> I have not received the magazine either.
>> In fact the last one I received was Oct/Nov 2015.
>> I keep meaning to contact Quanta, but just not around to it.
>> Ian
>> 
>>On Sunday, 23 July 2017, 11:28, Michael Bulford via Ql-Users 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I've received two issues this year, up to the Feb/March issue.
>> None received since then.  I did email John Gilpin last week, but no reply 
>> as yet.
>> 
>> 
>> Michael
>> Dilwyn wrote:
>> 
>>> I've forwarded this to committee members (don't know the answer myself),
>>> hopefully a reply soon.
>>> 
>>> Dilwyn
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: sba1derson via Ql-Users
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:08 AM
>>> To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
>>> Subject: [Ql-Users] Quanta Magazine
>>> 
>>> Has anyone received an electronic copy of Quanta magazine since the
>>> January/February 2017 issue?  I've not received one since.  I've contacted
>>> Quanta via their website but so far have had no response.
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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Magazine

[sba1derson via Ql-Users]

Hi John,

When can I expect delivery of my missing back issues of Quanta magazine please? 
 I sent you my e-mail details on the 24th July.

Simon Balderson

On 23 Jul 2017 19:35, John Southern via Ql-Users  
wrote:
>
> Hi All, 
>
> I have taken over as the membership secretary. 
>
> The latest magazine is incredibly late and that is purely down to me > and I 
> am working through that today. > > Simon, Michael, Ian, you should have all 
> received copies up to and > including April/May 2017. > > Can you send me you 
> email address to my personal email - > linuxtarragon@gmail just so I know I 
> have the correct one and I will > send out your copies. > > Regards > John 
> Southern > > On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 12:42 PM, IAN BURKINSHAW via Ql-Users > 
> wrote: > > I have not received the magazine either. > > In fact the last one 
> I received was Oct/Nov 2015. > > I keep meaning to contact Quanta, but just 
> not around to it. > > Ian > > > > On Sunday, 23 July 2017, 11:28, Michael 
> Bulford via Ql-Users wrote: > > > > > >  I've received two issues this year, 
> up to the Feb/March issue. > > None received since then.  I did email John 
> Gilpin last week, but no reply as yet. > > > > > > Michael > > Dilwyn wrote: 
> > > > >> I've forwarded this to committee members (don't know the answer 
> myself), > >> hopefully a reply soon. > >> > >> Dilwyn > >> > >> 
> -Original Message- > >> From: sba1derson via Ql-Users > >> Sent: 
> Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:08 AM > >> To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com > >> Subject: 
> [Ql-Users] Quanta Magazine > >> > >> Has anyone received an electronic copy 
> of Quanta magazine since the > >> January/February 2017 issue?  I've not 
> received one since.  I've contacted > >> Quanta via their website but so far 
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> On 23 Jul 2017, at 19:35, John Southern via Ql-Users 
>  wrote:
> 
> Simon, Michael, Ian, you should have all received copies up to and
> including April/May 2017.


The latest QUANTA I have received is FEB/MAR 2017.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Magazine

[John Southern via Ql-Users]

Hi All,

I have taken over as the membership secretary.

The latest magazine is incredibly late and that is purely down to me
and I am working through that today.

Simon, Michael, Ian, you should have all received copies up to and
including April/May 2017.

Can you send me you email address to my personal email -
linuxtarragon@gmail just so I know I have the correct one and I will
send out your copies.

Regards
John Southern

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 12:42 PM, IAN BURKINSHAW via Ql-Users
 wrote:
> I have not received the magazine either.
> In fact the last one I received was Oct/Nov 2015.
> I keep meaning to contact Quanta, but just not around to it.
> Ian
>
> On Sunday, 23 July 2017, 11:28, Michael Bulford via Ql-Users 
>  wrote:
>
>
>  I've received two issues this year, up to the Feb/March issue.
> None received since then.  I did email John Gilpin last week, but no reply as 
> yet.
>
>
> Michael
> Dilwyn wrote:
>
>> I've forwarded this to committee members (don't know the answer myself),
>> hopefully a reply soon.
>>
>> Dilwyn
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: sba1derson via Ql-Users
>> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:08 AM
>> To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
>> Subject: [Ql-Users] Quanta Magazine
>>
>> Has anyone received an electronic copy of Quanta magazine since the
>> January/February 2017 issue?  I've not received one since.  I've contacted
>> Quanta via their website but so far have had no response.
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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Magazine

[Michael Bulford via Ql-Users]

I've received two issues this year, up to the Feb/March issue.
None received since then.  I did email John Gilpin last week, but no reply as 
yet.


Michael
Dilwyn wrote:

> I've forwarded this to committee members (don't know the answer myself), 
> hopefully a reply soon.
>
> Dilwyn
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: sba1derson via Ql-Users
> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:08 AM
> To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
> Subject: [Ql-Users] Quanta Magazine
>
> Has anyone received an electronic copy of Quanta magazine since the 
> January/February 2017 issue?  I've not received one since.  I've contacted 
> Quanta via their website but so far have had no response.
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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Magazine

[Dilwyn Jones via Ql-Users]

I've forwarded this to committee members (don't know the answer myself), 
hopefully a reply soon.


Dilwyn

-Original Message- 
From: sba1derson via Ql-Users

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:08 AM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: [Ql-Users] Quanta Magazine

Has anyone received an electronic copy of Quanta magazine since the 
January/February 2017 issue?  I've not received one since.  I've contacted 
Quanta via their website but so far have had no response.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta News

[Rich Mellor (RWAP)]

Hi Dilwyn,

If the magazine is due to come out after 11th October, please include details of
the new QL Games Box-Sets (3, 4 and 5) as they will be launched at the show in
Edinburgh

Rich

 On October 1, 2014 at 6:55 PM Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk
 wrote:


 I’ll be putting together the news column for Quanta magazine later this week,
 and this month we are very light on news! So if you have any QL-related news
 you’d like to see in print, please send it to me by the end of this week.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM Tomorrow (27th April 2014)

[Derek Stewart]

Do you have the link to the Virtual AGM...

Regards,

Derek

On 27/04/14 02:25, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

Me! (Skype if it works for me, conference if not)

Dilwyn

-Original Message- From: Rich Mellor (RWAP)
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 10:12 PM
To: Mailing List, QL
Subject: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM Tomorrow (27th April 2014)

Just a quick reminder that the Quanta AGM is happening tomorrow (27th
April) - I
have to admit that I had forgotten about this, until I received an email
from
Keith Dunbar reminding me to add quanta.org to Skype if I intended
taking part.

Is anyone else taking part in this virtual AGM ??

Rich Mellor
RWAP Software
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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM Tomorrow (27th April 2014)

[John Gilpin]

Derek,

As informed in the AGM booklet distributed to all QUANTA Members, the 
link is to contact Keith Dunbarwebad...@quanta.org.uk   and he 
will tell you all.


Kind Regards,

John Gilpin.
QUANTA Membership Secretary.
members...@quanta.org.uk

On 27/04/2014 09:01, Derek Stewart wrote:

Do you have the link to the Virtual AGM...

Regards,

Derek

On 27/04/14 02:25, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

Me! (Skype if it works for me, conference if not)

Dilwyn

-Original Message- From: Rich Mellor (RWAP)
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 10:12 PM
To: Mailing List, QL
Subject: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM Tomorrow (27th April 2014)

Just a quick reminder that the Quanta AGM is happening tomorrow (27th
April) - I
have to admit that I had forgotten about this, until I received an email
from
Keith Dunbar reminding me to add quanta.org to Skype if I intended
taking part.

Is anyone else taking part in this virtual AGM ??

Rich Mellor
RWAP Software
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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM Tomorrow (27th April 2014)

[John Gilpin]

If you want to join us at the AGM you can connect through Skype (add 
QUANTA.org to your contacts list) or you can dial in on a standard 
telephone line (please check the costs with your provider) by calling 
0844 545 2121 and enter the pin 34285190 when prompted. Please join 5 
minutes before to ensure we can start at 2pm.


Non members are welcome, but only members can vote.

Thank you
Keith
Webmaster

(Posted through John's email account)

Kind Regards,

John Gilpin.
QUANTA Membership Secretary.
members...@quanta.org.uk

On 27/04/2014 09:01, Derek Stewart wrote:

Do you have the link to the Virtual AGM...

Regards,

Derek

On 27/04/14 02:25, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

Me! (Skype if it works for me, conference if not)

Dilwyn

-Original Message- From: Rich Mellor (RWAP)
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 10:12 PM
To: Mailing List, QL
Subject: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM Tomorrow (27th April 2014)

Just a quick reminder that the Quanta AGM is happening tomorrow (27th
April) - I
have to admit that I had forgotten about this, until I received an email
from
Keith Dunbar reminding me to add quanta.org to Skype if I intended
taking part.

Is anyone else taking part in this virtual AGM ??

Rich Mellor
RWAP Software
www.rwapsoftware.co.uk
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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM Tomorrow (27th April 2014)

[Dilwyn Jones]

Me! (Skype if it works for me, conference if not)

Dilwyn

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Subject: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM Tomorrow (27th April 2014)

Just a quick reminder that the Quanta AGM is happening tomorrow (27th 
April) - I
have to admit that I had forgotten about this, until I received an email 
from
Keith Dunbar reminding me to add quanta.org to Skype if I intended taking 
part.


Is anyone else taking part in this virtual AGM ??

Rich Mellor
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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Workshop and AGM 2013 in Manchester

[John Gilpin]

Thanks Dilwyn,

We hadn't noticed that whoever added the Workshop/AGM details to the 
QUANTA Web Site hadn't included the directions to get to the venue. 
However, I have asked Keith for a get together tomorrow in order to 
correct this.


From your link to Google maps, It gives an address of 70, Conway Road 
which has the Post Code M41 0TE - which might be a bit closer to the 
Scout HQ than M41 0TF. (although, like many other Scout Headquarters, 
they generally do not have a specific postal address - or Post Code - so 
choosing the nearest house address is frequently the only way of 
programming a SatNav.)


The Street View from Google is very explicit.

Thanks.

John Gilpin.


On 09/04/2013 11:36, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

Quanta Workshop and AGM 2013

Quanta invite members and non-members alike to our workshop on Saturday 13th 
April (11am to 4pm) and Sunday 14th April (from 10am).

For members, the AGM will be held at 2pm on Sunday. The venue is The 
Endeavour, 3rd Davyhulme (Lostock) Sout Headquarters, Conway Road, off Lostock 
Road, Davyhulme, Manchester, M41 0TF - just off Junction 9 of the M60 motorway.

Follow B5158 Lostock Road (towards Urmston). Pass the George H Carnall sports 
centre on the RHS and take the next turn to the right, Conway Road. The venue 
is at the bottom of this road, on the right hand side.

For a Google map, follow this link:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=53.458007,-2.346311hl=ennum=1t=mz=16

N.B. Sat-nav users, if you use postcode M41 0TF, it may take you further west 
along Conway Road (to the centre of the postcode area). Be aware that the venue 
is on the eastern end of Conway Road, along a small cul-de-sac, just off the 
corner, as shown on the Google map link above.

Hope to see you all there!

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Web site down?

[Geoff Wicks]

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The Quanta site has been down for at least 2 days. Has Quanta closed down?

Regards

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I think the website has been deliberately taken down. It was no longer 
available from the day of the committee meeting held to discuss it. I hope 
it is only temporary.


There was nothing wrong with the site as such other than that it was not 
kept up to date. If all the committee, including the officers, pulled their 
weight it would not be a difficult job.


To my mind there are four areas to keep up to date:

1: News. This is already happening so no problem there.

2: Shows information. When the site was taken down it was still advertising 
the Austrian show held 3 months previously. It should not be difficult to 
keep show information up to date as there are only two or three shows per 
year.


3: Quanta Magazine. This is the most difficult part, but would only need 
updating 6 times a year.


4: Quanta News. This would be a new area in which the officers should keep 
the members up to date on Quanta developments. Up to now Quanta has regarded 
the magazine as being the first source of information for the members. This 
should now become the web.


There is also the question of the members' area. You have made constructive 
suggestions that Quanta should consider,


Best wishes,



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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Web site down?

[George Gwilt]

On 19 Oct 2012, at 12:48, Geoff Wicks wrote:

 
 The Quanta site has been down for at least 2 days. Has Quanta closed down?
 
 Regards
 
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 I think the website has been deliberately taken down. It was no longer 
 available from the day of the committee meeting held to discuss it. I hope it 
 is only temporary.
 
 There was nothing wrong with the site as such other than that it was not kept 
 up to date. If all the committee, including the officers, pulled their weight 
 it would not be a difficult job.
 
 To my mind there are four areas to keep up to date:
 
 1: News. This is already happening so no problem there.
 
 2: Shows information. When the site was taken down it was still advertising 
 the Austrian show held 3 months previously. It should not be difficult to 
 keep show information up to date as there are only two or three shows per 
 year.
 
 3: Quanta Magazine. This is the most difficult part, but would only need 
 updating 6 times a year.
 
 4: Quanta News. This would be a new area in which the officers should keep 
 the members up to date on Quanta developments. Up to now Quanta has regarded 
 the magazine as being the first source of information for the members. This 
 should now become the web.
 
 There is also the question of the members' area. You have made constructive 
 suggestions that Quanta should consider,

Ah QUANTA is back!!

Geirge
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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Web site down?

[Tony Firshman]

George Gwilt wrote, on 19/Oct/12 17:10 | Oct19:

Geirge (sic)/


On 19 Oct 2012, at 12:48, Geoff Wicks wrote:



The Quanta site has been down for at least 2 days. Has Quanta closed down?

Regards

Duncan
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I think the website has been deliberately taken down. It was no longer 
available from the day of the committee meeting held to discuss it. I hope it 
is only temporary.

There was nothing wrong with the site as such other than that it was not kept 
up to date. If all the committee, including the officers, pulled their weight 
it would not be a difficult job.

To my mind there are four areas to keep up to date:

1: News. This is already happening so no problem there.

2: Shows information. When the site was taken down it was still advertising the 
Austrian show held 3 months previously. It should not be difficult to keep show 
information up to date as there are only two or three shows per year.

3: Quanta Magazine. This is the most difficult part, but would only need 
updating 6 times a year.

4: Quanta News. This would be a new area in which the officers should keep the 
members up to date on Quanta developments. Up to now Quanta has regarded the 
magazine as being the first source of information for the members. This should 
now become the web.

There is also the question of the members' area. You have made constructive 
suggestions that Quanta should consider,


Ah QUANTA is back!!

Geirge


   ^- Seems you aren't though (8-)#

Tiny (sic)


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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Web site down?

[Tony Firshman]

Tony Firshman wrote, on 19/Oct/12 17:22 | Oct19:

George Gwilt wrote, on 19/Oct/12 17:10 | Oct19:

Geirge (sic)/


On 19 Oct 2012, at 12:48, Geoff Wicks wrote:



The Quanta site has been down for at least 2 days. Has Quanta closed
down?

Regards

Duncan
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I think the website has been deliberately taken down. It was no
longer available from the day of the committee meeting held to
discuss it. I hope it is only temporary.

There was nothing wrong with the site as such other than that it was
not kept up to date. If all the committee, including the officers,
pulled their weight it would not be a difficult job.

To my mind there are four areas to keep up to date:

1: News. This is already happening so no problem there.

2: Shows information. When the site was taken down it was still
advertising the Austrian show held 3 months previously. It should not
be difficult to keep show information up to date as there are only
two or three shows per year.

3: Quanta Magazine. This is the most difficult part, but would only
need updating 6 times a year.

4: Quanta News. This would be a new area in which the officers should
keep the members up to date on Quanta developments. Up to now Quanta
has regarded the magazine as being the first source of information
for the members. This should now become the web.

There is also the question of the members' area. You have made
constructive suggestions that Quanta should consider,


Ah QUANTA is back!!

Geirge


^- Seems you aren't though (8-)#

Tiny (sic)


... and that reminds me of a really *brilliant* similar misprint in a 
post recently:


Geraldine Muchova, a Scot who loved through the communist Czech 
darkness and emerged with her integrity intact, has died at the great 
age of 95.


It would be nice to imagine it wasn't a misprint.

Tony


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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Web site down?

[Tony Firshman]

Norman Dunbar wrote, on 19/Oct/12 17:29 | Oct19:



Geraldine Muchova, a Scot who loved through the communist Czech
darkness and emerged with her integrity intact, has died at the great
age of 95.

It would be nice to imagine it wasn't a misprint.


I gather, perhaps, that the communists didn't think Muchova then? ;-)


Groan - or should that be 'grian'.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Web site down?

[Tony Firshman]

matras...@aol.com wrote, on 18/Oct/12 20:10 | Oct18:

The Quanta site has been down for at least 2 days. Has Quanta closed down?

Regards

Duncan


The domain is still valid:

Domain name:
 quanta.org.uk
 Registrant:
 Mr John Gilpin for QUANTA
 Registrant type:
 Unknown
 Registrant's address:
 181, Urmston Lane,
 Stretford,
 Manchester
 Greater Manchester
 M32 9EH
 United Kingdom
 Registrar:
 Webfusion Ltd t/a 123-reg [Tag = 123-REG]
 URL: http://www.123-reg.co.uk
 Relevant dates:
 Registered on: 17-Jul-2001
 Expiry date:  17-Jul-2013
 Last updated:  07-Sep-2011
 Registration status:
 Registered until expiry date.
 Name servers:
 ns1.xempower.com
 ns2.xempower.com

 WHOIS lookup made at 23:36:36 18-Oct-2012
-

They clearly need a more reliable host!

That is tempting fate, isn't it Dilwyn (8-)#


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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide

[Ralf Reköndt]

Ah, seems I am wrong. If e.g. win1_mach_ ist not found, I think, TK2 
searches for win1_win1_mach_.


I use the following (extract from S_Edit ;-)):

SV_BASE is my keyword to return the base of the system variables:

12480 DEFine FuNction file_test(name$)
12490 LOCal default
12495 REMark Read the length of DATAD$
12500 default=PEEK_W(PEEK_L(SV_BASE+176))
12506 REMark set the length of DATAD$ to zero, the string itself remains
12510 POKE_W PEEK_L(SV_BASE+176),0
12520 ferr=FOP_IN(#5,name$)
12530 CLOSE#5
12535 REMark restore the length of DATAD$
12540 POKE_W PEEK_L(SV_BASE+176),default
12550 RETurn ferr
12560 END DEFine file_test

I set the data_default to , so I really know, if the file exists or not.

Cheers...Ralf


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Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide


The FOP_xxx functions (and all similar TK2 things) always tried to use the
Data default next, if a direct call was unsuccessful.

So, if I try to check Win1_test_, and it does not exist, Win1_ is checked
next (if Data default), which is very likely to be successful.

So you can't be sure, that the correct device was opened. That's why it is
better, to set the Data default to , then try, then set it back to where
it was before.

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Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide


Op Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:10:15 +0200 schreef Ralf Reköndt
ralf.rekoe...@t-online.de:

Hmm, but the TK2 Manual states about OPEN_DIR, so, apart from Level 2,  it 
should be possible. But what kind of directory, if not Level 2?  Perhaps 
just the root one.


Section 10  Open and Close

   The standard QL channel OPEN commands are redefined by Toolkit II
   to use the data directory. In addition, Toolkit II provides a set
   of functions for opening files either using a specified channel
   number (as in the standard QL commands), or they will find and
   return a vacant channel number. The functions also allow filing
   system errors to be intercepted and processed by SuperBASIC
   programs.

   Commands

 OPEN #channel, nameopen a file for read/write
 OPEN_IN #channel, name open a file for input only
 OPEN_NEW #channel, nameopen a new file
 OPEN_OVER #channel, name   open a new file, if it
  exists it is overwritten
 OPEN_DIR #channel, nameopen a directory

 CLOSE #channelsclose channels


The problem is related to the FTEST command trying to open a file rather 
than a directory to verify its existance. In SMSQ/E a directory can be 
opened as a file, but in QDOS I don't think it can. The correct way to 
check for the validity of devices and directories would be to attempt to 
open a directory, not a file (TRAP#2 with D0=1 and D3=4 rather than 
D3=1).



The Function FOP_DIR can be used but is not very reliable.
I did a quick QDOS test on my demo Q-emuLator where win1_ is a W$ folder,
win2_ is a QL floppy.

chn= FOP_DIR (win1_): PRINT FTYP(#chn): produced 255.
chn= FOP_DIR (win1_mach_): PRINT FTYP (#chn): also produced 255 while
mach_ is part of a filename and not a directory!
Even chn FOP_DIR (win1_ma): PRINT FTYP (#chn): returned as valid
directory.

This was not the case with win2_, there a FTYP returned zero for
everything.

But chn= FOP_DIR (usb1): opened a channel to win2_, PRINT FTYP(#chn):
returned zero and DIR usb1_ gave the name of the floppy and the sector
count.

So this is here not a good level 1 test to see if a device or directory
actually exists.
Minerva gave the same results.
Mind you, even under QPC2 I can happily FOP_OVER (a_file) to my win8_,
which is a QXL.WIN on the cdrom!

Bob

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide

[Bob Spelten]

Op Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:00:18 +0200 schreef Daniele Terdina
danieleterd...@hotmail.com:


SuQcess starts with testing the validity of devices and directories to
prevent it from crashing later.
For this the TK2 commands FTEST and FTYP are used but these don't seem  
to work on the device names used by Q-emuLator.

Is this just an issue with the non-registered version?
Is there any way to test for Q-emuLator from S*Basic so I can skip the
test and hope for the best?


The unregistered version tries to emulate the original file drivers,  
which are not level 2.



SuQcess seems too big for this version anyway.

On a registered copy of Q-emuLator, and with level 2 drivers enabled,  
FTEST(mdv1_) should return 0 and your check will succeed.


On the unregistered version it returns -7, and I think that's the  
correct behaviour: Although I can't currently check, I believe  
FTEST(mdv1_) would also return -7 when run on a QL, even if there is a  
cartridge in the drive. It would be interesting to check.



I have no working level 1 QL here, but a test on my SGC-QL (QDOS-TK2)
confirmed your suspicion that FTEST(mdv1_) returns -7 even on a level 2
system, after reading mdv1 correctly.

The problem is related to the FTEST command trying to open a file rather  
than a directory to verify its existance. In SMSQ/E a directory can be  
opened as a file, but in QDOS I don't think it can. The correct way to  
check for the validity of devices and directories would be to attempt to  
open a directory, not a file (TRAP#2 with D0=1 and D3=4 rather than  
D3=1).


There is no SuperBASIC keyword to test for Q-emuLator, but it would be  
easy to write one if needed, as there is a TRAP#1 command that can be  
used to detect Q-emuLator.



Some years back QLToday wrote about testing the machine you are using by
reading the sys_vars (PEEK (sv +167)).
The test on Q-emulator returns zero, as the standard QL, so this could be
used to assume there is no Level2 device.
This number is held in the 5 lowest bits, I believe 14, 15, 18 to 23, 25
to 27  29 are still free.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide

[Ralf Reköndt]

Hmm, but the TK2 Manual states about OPEN_DIR, so, apart from Level 2, it 
should be possible. But what kind of directory, if not Level 2? Perhaps just 
the root one.


Section 10  Open and Close

  The standard QL channel OPEN commands are redefined by Toolkit II
  to use the data directory. In addition, Toolkit II provides a set
  of functions for opening files either using a specified channel
  number (as in the standard QL commands), or they will find and
  return a vacant channel number. The functions also allow filing
  system errors to be intercepted and processed by SuperBASIC
  programs.

  Commands

OPEN #channel, nameopen a file for read/write
OPEN_IN #channel, name open a file for input only
OPEN_NEW #channel, nameopen a new file
OPEN_OVER #channel, name   open a new file, if it
 exists it is overwritten
OPEN_DIR #channel, nameopen a directory

CLOSE #channelsclose channels


The problem is related to the FTEST command trying to open a file rather 
than a directory to verify its existance. In SMSQ/E a directory can be 
opened as a file, but in QDOS I don't think it can. The correct way to 
check for the validity of devices and directories would be to attempt to 
open a directory, not a file (TRAP#2 with D0=1 and D3=4 rather than 
D3=1).


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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide

[Dilwyn Jones]

Some years back QLToday wrote about testing the machine you are using by
reading the sys_vars (PEEK (sv +167)).
The test on Q-emulator returns zero, as the standard QL, so this could be
used to assume there is no Level2 device.
This number is held in the 5 lowest bits, I believe 14, 15, 18 to 23, 25
to 27  29 are still free.
To check for level 2 drivers present or not, use the IOF.XINF trap #3 with 
D0=hex4F (QDOS Reference Guide, section 15, page13).


Norman Dunbar uses this call for the LEVEL2 function in the djtoolkit, 
source of which is included with the package on toolkits page of my website 
showing how to use the test for Level2 drivers.


Testing for QemuLator: This is a text which Daniele sent me some time back. 
As it was a while back, probably best to check with Daniele if this is still 
valid, or has been extended or whatever.


==
Use Trap #1 with D0.L = -26 to get some emulator info. The trap is
designed to be usable by other emulators, but I don't think anybody
else is using it, so it works only with Q-emuLator.
In systems where the trap is not implemented you will get an error
in D0.L (bad parameter, I think), in Q-emuLator you get 0 in D0.L.
There are three commands, identified by the value in D1:

D1.L = 0
Currently returns 0 in both D1.L and D2.L. I don't remember anymore
for sure what the intended meaning was :(. I think D1 was the
version of the D0=-26 TRAP implemented by the emulator (for example
in the future there might be a version 1 TRAP that returns extra info,
or allows more values in D1.L), and D2 is probably reserved for future
use. Just ignore D1 and D2 and look only at D0 (0 = trap is supported,
error = it is not), or directly call with D1.L = 1 or 2.
=
D1.L = 1
Returns in D1.L info about the host system:
D1.L = $00aabbcc, where
 aa = host OS
0 = Windows
3 = Mac OS
 bb = host OS variant (for example, if aa was Unix, bb would
identify whether it is BSD, Linux, etc.). Currently always zero.
 cc = emulator ID
1 = Q-emuLator
Returns in D2.L the version of the emulator:

D2.L = $xxyyzzww, where
   xx = major version number
   yy = middle version number
   zz = minor version number
  ww was supposed to be a global incremental number, but a 0-255
  range is probably too little, so you can just ignore it.

D3.L = type of build
  0 = alpha
  1 = beta
  2 = release

For example,
 D2.L = $02010005 and D3.L = 2 means version 2.1
 D2.L = $01030218 and D3.L = 1 means version 1.3.2b

==


D1.L = 2
A1.L = pointer to memory buffer
D2.L = length of buffer

Fills the buffer with a short QL string identifying the emulator
(for example Q-emuLator 2.2).
Returns a buffer full error in D0 if the buffer is smaller than the
string (and the buffer content is not valid in this case).

==
Daniele added at the time:
Hope this helps. Most of this is untested so you may find some bugs.
The only piece of software currently using one of these traps is the
Q-emuLator's mouse driver (it refuses to install and prints an error
if it's not running in Q-emuLator).

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide

[Tony firshman]

On 21 Apr 2012, at 10:10, Ralf Reköndt ralf.rekoe...@t-online.de wrote:

snip
 
 
CLOSE #channelsclose channels
 
What is the syntax?

close #2,#3  ?

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide

[Ralf Reköndt]

Yes.

From: Tony firshman

(Fom TK2 manual...)


   CLOSE #channelsclose channels


What is the syntax?

close #2,#3  ?

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide

[Bob Spelten]

Op Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:10:15 +0200 schreef Ralf Reköndt
ralf.rekoe...@t-online.de:

Hmm, but the TK2 Manual states about OPEN_DIR, so, apart from Level 2,  
it should be possible. But what kind of directory, if not Level 2?  
Perhaps just the root one.


Section 10  Open and Close

   The standard QL channel OPEN commands are redefined by Toolkit II
   to use the data directory. In addition, Toolkit II provides a set
   of functions for opening files either using a specified channel
   number (as in the standard QL commands), or they will find and
   return a vacant channel number. The functions also allow filing
   system errors to be intercepted and processed by SuperBASIC
   programs.

   Commands

 OPEN #channel, nameopen a file for read/write
 OPEN_IN #channel, name open a file for input only
 OPEN_NEW #channel, nameopen a new file
 OPEN_OVER #channel, name   open a new file, if it
  exists it is overwritten
 OPEN_DIR #channel, nameopen a directory

 CLOSE #channelsclose channels


The problem is related to the FTEST command trying to open a file  
rather than a directory to verify its existance. In SMSQ/E a directory  
can be opened as a file, but in QDOS I don't think it can. The correct  
way to check for the validity of devices and directories would be to  
attempt to open a directory, not a file (TRAP#2 with D0=1 and D3=4  
rather than D3=1).



The Function FOP_DIR can be used but is not very reliable.
I did a quick QDOS test on my demo Q-emuLator where win1_ is a W$ folder,
win2_ is a QL floppy.

chn= FOP_DIR (win1_): PRINT FTYP(#chn): produced 255.
chn= FOP_DIR (win1_mach_): PRINT FTYP (#chn): also produced 255 while
mach_ is part of a filename and not a directory!
Even chn FOP_DIR (win1_ma): PRINT FTYP (#chn): returned as valid
directory.

This was not the case with win2_, there a FTYP returned zero for
everything.

But chn= FOP_DIR (usb1): opened a channel to win2_, PRINT FTYP(#chn):
returned zero and DIR usb1_ gave the name of the floppy and the sector
count.

So this is here not a good level 1 test to see if a device or directory
actually exists.
Minerva gave the same results.
Mind you, even under QPC2 I can happily FOP_OVER (a_file) to my win8_,
which is a QXL.WIN on the cdrom!

Bob

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide

[Ralf Reköndt]

The FOP_xxx functions (and all similar TK2 things) always tried to use the 
Data default next, if a direct call was unsuccessful.


So, if I try to check Win1_test_, and it does not exist, Win1_ is checked 
next (if Data default), which is very likely to be successful.


So you can't be sure, that the correct device was opened. That's why it is 
better, to set the Data default to , then try, then set it back to where 
it was before.


- Original Message - 
From: Bob Spelten b...@upcmail.nl

To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide


Op Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:10:15 +0200 schreef Ralf Reköndt
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Hmm, but the TK2 Manual states about OPEN_DIR, so, apart from Level 2,  it 
should be possible. But what kind of directory, if not Level 2?  Perhaps 
just the root one.


Section 10  Open and Close

   The standard QL channel OPEN commands are redefined by Toolkit II
   to use the data directory. In addition, Toolkit II provides a set
   of functions for opening files either using a specified channel
   number (as in the standard QL commands), or they will find and
   return a vacant channel number. The functions also allow filing
   system errors to be intercepted and processed by SuperBASIC
   programs.

   Commands

 OPEN #channel, nameopen a file for read/write
 OPEN_IN #channel, name open a file for input only
 OPEN_NEW #channel, nameopen a new file
 OPEN_OVER #channel, name   open a new file, if it
  exists it is overwritten
 OPEN_DIR #channel, nameopen a directory

 CLOSE #channelsclose channels


The problem is related to the FTEST command trying to open a file 
rather than a directory to verify its existance. In SMSQ/E a directory 
can be opened as a file, but in QDOS I don't think it can. The correct 
way to check for the validity of devices and directories would be to 
attempt to open a directory, not a file (TRAP#2 with D0=1 and D3=4 
rather than D3=1).



The Function FOP_DIR can be used but is not very reliable.
I did a quick QDOS test on my demo Q-emuLator where win1_ is a W$ folder,
win2_ is a QL floppy.

chn= FOP_DIR (win1_): PRINT FTYP(#chn): produced 255.
chn= FOP_DIR (win1_mach_): PRINT FTYP (#chn): also produced 255 while
mach_ is part of a filename and not a directory!
Even chn FOP_DIR (win1_ma): PRINT FTYP (#chn): returned as valid
directory.

This was not the case with win2_, there a FTYP returned zero for
everything.

But chn= FOP_DIR (usb1): opened a channel to win2_, PRINT FTYP(#chn):
returned zero and DIR usb1_ gave the name of the floppy and the sector
count.

So this is here not a good level 1 test to see if a device or directory
actually exists.
Minerva gave the same results.
Mind you, even under QPC2 I can happily FOP_OVER (a_file) to my win8_,
which is a QXL.WIN on the cdrom!

Bob

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[Daniele Terdina]

 SuQcess starts with testing the validity of devices and directories to 
 prevent it from crashing later.
 For this the TK2 commands FTEST and FTYP are used but these don't seem to 
 work on the device names used by Q-emuLator.
 Is this just an issue with the non-registered version?
 Is there any way to test for Q-emuLator from S*Basic so I can skip the 
 test and hope for the best?


The unregistered version tries to emulate the original file drivers, which are 
not level 2.

On a registered copy of Q-emuLator, and with level 2 drivers enabled, 
FTEST(mdv1_) should return 0 and your check will succeed.

On the unregistered version it returns -7, and I think that's the correct 
behaviour: Although I can't currently check, I believe FTEST(mdv1_) would 
also return -7 when run on a QL, even if there is a cartridge in the drive. It 
would be interesting to check.

 

The problem is related to the FTEST command trying to open a file rather than a 
directory to verify its existance. In SMSQ/E a directory can be opened as a 
file, but in QDOS I don't think it can. The correct way to check for the 
validity of devices and directories would be to attempt to open a directory, 
not a file (TRAP#2 with D0=1 and D3=4 rather than D3=1).

 

 

There is no SuperBASIC keyword to test for Q-emuLator, but it would be easy to 
write one if needed, as there is a TRAP#1 command that can be used to detect 
Q-emuLator.

 

 

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide

[Bob Spelten]

Op Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:55:38 +0200 schreef Daniele Terdina  
danieleterd...@hotmail.com:





My tests were done on a W$-Vista with Q-emuLator 2.5 and 3.1., with JS  
and

both the old DATA_bin and latest 2.13.
Only 3.1  JS produces the errors, the DATA_bin version makes no
difference.
I looks like something changed between Q-emuLator 2.5  3.1 to stop DBAS
 from working.

Bob


 I've looked into this and there is a change in behaviour in version 3.0  
which causes this issue. The change was for compatibility reasons to  
allow some old games to run.  DATA_BIN is patching the directory device  
drivers to be able to intercept a special new I/O command. On a (JS) QL,  
I think this would _not_ work for the MDV driver as the device driver  
definition is in ROM and can't be patched (actually, it could still be  
patched, but only by using a different method). But it works for other  
device drivers like FLP that are defined in RAM. Up to version 2.5, the  
additional Q-emuLator device driver definitions (additional definitions  
are necessary as a JS ROM doesn't know about 'FLP' and 'TCP', for  
example) were in RAM and DATA_BIN used to work fine, but later I changed  
the definitions to be in ROM and DATA_BIN is not able to patch the  
drivers anymore. The reason for the change is that the RAM definitions  
were causing incompatibilities with some old software that expected to
  find some QDOS data structures at fixed addresses in the QL memory,  
but the extra memory used by Q-emuLator's device drivers was causing  
these addresses to be off by a few bytes. Finally, I only activated this  
change for Sinclair ROMs, as those old QL programs wouldn't work on  
Minerva anyways, and this explains why DATA_BIN still runs fine under  
Q-emuLator 3 when using a Minerva ROM or SMSQ/E. I'll think about ways  
of mantaining compatibilities with both DATA_BIN and the old software  
that doesn't like extra drivers to be in RAM. In the meantime, the  
workaround on Q-emuLator version 3 is to use the Minerva ROM.  Daniele  
		 	   		

Thanks for this explanation Daniele.

During my testing I tried to get my SuQcess front end for DBAS to run but  
ran into another problem.
SuQcess starts with testing the validity of devices and directories to  
prevent it from crashing later.
For this the TK2 commands FTEST and FTYP are used but these don't seem to  
work on the device names used by Q-emuLator.

Is this just an issue with the non-registered version?
Is there any way to test for Q-emuLator from S*Basic so I can skip the  
test and hope for the best?


Bob

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide

[Norman Dunbar]

Morning all,

A few comments, it seems to have been busy on here over the weekend. ;-)

On 15/04/12 13:47, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

 The bad parameter error is related to a file system TRAP#3 call with
D0=$44.
Do you know what this trap is supposed to do?


The trap in question is the only trap introduced by the DBAS author. It 
sets up a vector for all the DBAs syscalls. It needs to be executed 
AFTER the directory driver(s) in question are first used.


Maybe, just maybe, a dir flp1_ before running the system will help? 
I'm assuming of course that the system runs from a hard drive but the 
file is on flp1_ otherwise, the directory drivers for flp1_ should be 
set up when the libguide was booted from flp1_.


I originally developed this on a QL system, JS ROM, running with a 
Miracle Hard drive. That gave me win1_ and win2_ for developing.


I've tried to recompile with the actual return from the open as 
database call, but because I'm now on QPC without a miracle hard drive, 
win1_ and win2_ are not what they were when I built this system 
originally. Hopefully, at lunch time, I'll have time to fix my make 
files to make them work again!


I think, also, that the database_h file #includes a file from C68 named 
ansi_h but I don't see that file any more.



Cheers,
Norm.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide

[Bob Spelten]

Op Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:35:15 +0200 schreef Norman Dunbar
nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk:


Morning all,

A few comments, it seems to have been busy on here over the weekend. ;-)

On 15/04/12 13:47, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

 The bad parameter error is related to a file system TRAP#3 call with
D0=$44.
Do you know what this trap is supposed to do?


The trap in question is the only trap introduced by the DBAS author. It  
sets up a vector for all the DBAs syscalls. It needs to be executed  
AFTER the directory driver(s) in question are first used.


Maybe, just maybe, a dir flp1_ before running the system will help?  
I'm assuming of course that the system runs from a hard drive but the  
file is on flp1_ otherwise, the directory drivers for flp1_ should be  
set up when the libguide was booted from flp1_.


I originally developed this on a QL system, JS ROM, running with a  
Miracle Hard drive. That gave me win1_ and win2_ for developing.


I've tried to recompile with the actual return from the open as  
database call, but because I'm now on QPC without a miracle hard drive,  
win1_ and win2_ are not what they were when I built this system  
originally. Hopefully, at lunch time, I'll have time to fix my make  
files to make them work again!


I think, also, that the database_h file #includes a file from C68 named  
ansi_h but I don't see that file any more.



I have copied Libguide_exe  _dbs to win3_, a hard drive map, and ran it
  from there.
Doing a dir win3_ doesn't make a difference in producing the error.
I also tried DBAS's own DBPTR_exe, this just died when trying to open a
dbs file from win3_.

My tests were done on a W$-Vista with Q-emuLator 2.5 and 3.1., with JS and
both the old DATA_bin and latest 2.13.
Only 3.1  JS produces the errors, the DATA_bin version makes no
difference.
I looks like something changed between Q-emuLator 2.5  3.1 to stop DBAS  
from working.


Bob

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide

[Rich Mellor]

On 16/04/2012 12:19, Bob Spelten wrote:

Op Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:35:15 +0200 schreef Norman Dunbar
nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk:


Morning all,

A few comments, it seems to have been busy on here over the weekend. ;-)

On 15/04/12 13:47, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

 The bad parameter error is related to a file system TRAP#3 call with
D0=$44.
Do you know what this trap is supposed to do?


The trap in question is the only trap introduced by the DBAS author. 
It sets up a vector for all the DBAs syscalls. It needs to be 
executed AFTER the directory driver(s) in question are first used.


Maybe, just maybe, a dir flp1_ before running the system will help? 
I'm assuming of course that the system runs from a hard drive but the 
file is on flp1_ otherwise, the directory drivers for flp1_ should be 
set up when the libguide was booted from flp1_.


I originally developed this on a QL system, JS ROM, running with a 
Miracle Hard drive. That gave me win1_ and win2_ for developing.


I've tried to recompile with the actual return from the open as 
database call, but because I'm now on QPC without a miracle hard 
drive, win1_ and win2_ are not what they were when I built this 
system originally. Hopefully, at lunch time, I'll have time to fix my 
make files to make them work again!


I think, also, that the database_h file #includes a file from C68 
named ansi_h but I don't see that file any more.



I have copied Libguide_exe  _dbs to win3_, a hard drive map, and ran it
  from there.
Doing a dir win3_ doesn't make a difference in producing the error.
I also tried DBAS's own DBPTR_exe, this just died when trying to open a
dbs file from win3_.

My tests were done on a W$-Vista with Q-emuLator 2.5 and 3.1., with JS 
and

both the old DATA_bin and latest 2.13.
Only 3.1  JS produces the errors, the DATA_bin version makes no
difference.
I looks like something changed between Q-emuLator 2.5  3.1 to stop 
DBAS from working.


Bob

I agree - I have also tried running the program on a JS ROM QL without 
any problems.


I have forwarded the files and details to Daniele so that he can 
investigate further.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide

[Norman Dunbar]

On 16/04/12 12:56, Rich Mellor wrote:

I have forwarded the files and details to Daniele so that he can
investigate further.


Aha, this means I'm off the hook, for now! ;-)

Cheers,
Norm.

PS. I have downloaded Q-Emulator and I've also tested it with JS and 
Minerva ROMS. Same problems as everyone, JS fails. One thing is 
exceedingly clear, we didn't half put up with really slow responses back 
in 1984 didn't we? God it's slow in QL mode! ;-)


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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide

[Lee Privett]

*Quote* *PS. I have downloaded Q-Emulator and I've also tested it with JS
and Minerva ROMS. Same problems as everyone, JS fails. One thing is
exceedingly clear, we didn't half put up with really slow responses back in
1984 didn't we? God it's slow in QL mode! ;-)*

Bear in mind a 30 second advert on TV scarcely got through its ident and
strapline, todays fast paced flashing images and 3 worded catch
phrase aimed at the young market do it in half the time. tolerance and
expectation are the norm Norm. Students we get from school nowadays have a
very short attention span and activities have to be in 10 minute bursts
otherwise bordem and pandemonium become the issue you then have to deal
with. My personal feeling on this point is this i sa result of fast food
(content of chemicals not the name) fizzy drinks and all the chemicals it
entails affecting 2nd  3rd generation people. The BB QL emulated or not,
is still faster than a Windows PC booting up from power on, isn't it?





On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.ukwrote:

 On 16/04/12 12:56, Rich Mellor wrote:

 I have forwarded the files and details to Daniele so that he can
 investigate further.


 Aha, this means I'm off the hook, for now! ;-)

 Cheers,
 Norm.

 PS. I have downloaded Q-Emulator and I've also tested it with JS and
 Minerva ROMS. Same problems as everyone, JS fails. One thing is exceedingly
 clear, we didn't half put up with really slow responses back in 1984 didn't
 we? God it's slow in QL mode! ;-)


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[Norman Dunbar]

Hi Lee,

 ... Tolerance and

expectation are the norm Norm.
Nah, it's just I'm used to faster now that I have QPC. I remember the 
days of loading programs off microdrive. It was ok until I got a Trump 
card, then it was far too slow!


Then I upgraded to a Gold Card, QXL, QPC and so on, getting faster and 
faster all the time.




Students we get from school nowadays have a
very short attention span and activities have to be in 10 minute bursts
otherwise bordem and pandemonium become the issue you then have to deal
with.


I have a friend who is a teacher, she says the same thing. Plus, they 
want instant gratification. As in:


What do you want to be when you grow up?
Famous!
Famous for what?
Just famous. And I don't want to have to work at it!

Sounds more like Big Bloody Brother, X Factor or Pop Idol has a lot to 
answer for.


What gets on my lady bumps is the dumbing down of everything, to cope 
with this lack of attention span. When I was 18, I could follow a decent 
program on Quantum Physics - say Horizon - without needing reminded 
every two minutes what was said two minutes ago. Watching Horizon 
nowadays is painful.




My personal feeling on this point is this i sa result of fast food
(content of chemicals not the name) fizzy drinks and all the chemicals it
entails affecting 2nd  3rd generation people.


I couldn't say to be honest, you could well be right.



The BB QL emulated or not,
is still faster than a Windows PC booting up from power on, isn't it?
 It is, yes, booting even from hibernation too. But you only boot once, 
unless you are running Windows and/or you are Dilwyn (!) it's how 
responsive it is when it's running that counts.



Cheers,
Norm.








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On 16/04/12 12:56, Rich Mellor wrote:


I have forwarded the files and details to Daniele so that he can
investigate further.



Aha, this means I'm off the hook, for now! ;-)

Cheers,
Norm.

PS. I have downloaded Q-Emulator and I've also tested it with JS and
Minerva ROMS. Same problems as everyone, JS fails. One thing is exceedingly
clear, we didn't half put up with really slow responses back in 1984 didn't
we? God it's slow in QL mode! ;-)


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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide

[Dilwyn Jones]

Norman Dunbar wrote:

The BB QL emulated or not,
is still faster than a Windows PC booting up from power on, isn't it?
 It is, yes, booting even from hibernation too. But you only boot once, 
unless you are running Windows and/or you are Dilwyn (!) it's how 
responsive it is when it's running that counts.

Ahem, excuse me!!!

_*sulk*_

:o)

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide

[Daniele Terdina]

 My tests were done on a W$-Vista with Q-emuLator 2.5 and 3.1., with JS and
 both the old DATA_bin and latest 2.13.
 Only 3.1  JS produces the errors, the DATA_bin version makes no
 difference.
 I looks like something changed between Q-emuLator 2.5  3.1 to stop DBAS  
  from working.
 
 Bob
 I've looked into this and there is a change in behaviour in version 3.0 which 
causes this issue. The change was for compatibility reasons to allow some old 
games to run.  DATA_BIN is patching the directory device drivers to be able to 
intercept a special new I/O command. On a (JS) QL, I think this would _not_ 
work for the MDV driver as the device driver definition is in ROM and can't be 
patched (actually, it could still be patched, but only by using a different 
method). But it works for other device drivers like FLP that are defined in 
RAM. Up to version 2.5, the additional Q-emuLator device driver definitions 
(additional definitions are necessary as a JS ROM doesn't know about 'FLP' and 
'TCP', for example) were in RAM and DATA_BIN used to work fine, but later I 
changed the definitions to be in ROM and DATA_BIN is not able to patch the 
drivers anymore. The reason for the change is that the RAM definitions were 
causing incompatibilities with some old software that expected to
  find some QDOS data structures at fixed addresses in the QL memory, but the 
extra memory used by Q-emuLator's device drivers was causing these addresses to 
be off by a few bytes. Finally, I only activated this change for Sinclair ROMs, 
as those old QL programs wouldn't work on Minerva anyways, and this explains 
why DATA_BIN still runs fine under Q-emuLator 3 when using a Minerva ROM or 
SMSQ/E. I'll think about ways of mantaining compatibilities with both DATA_BIN 
and the old software that doesn't like extra drivers to be in RAM. In the 
meantime, the workaround on Q-emuLator version 3 is to use the Minerva ROM.  
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[Dilwyn Jones]

Have you tried a more recent version of DATA_BIN?
The supplied one is so old there is no version number, now 2.13
(21/2/98).

Bob

Have tried v2.13 of DATA_BIN dbase handler on Q-emuLator, and got the 
following results:


1. works ok on version JM ROM
2. fails on version JS supplied with QemuLator
3. Fails on version JS-4M ROM (the 4MB RAM version)
4. fails on standard JS ROM from my website (just in case of outside 
possibility ROM supplied with QemuLator was corrupt)

5. fails also on jsu.rom
5. works OK on Minerva 1.97

Unfortunately my JS QL is boxed up in the attic and I can't get at it. Can 
anyone try the library guide on a JS ROM QL which then ought to help us try 
to ascertain if it is a JS ROM or q-emulator-with-JS-rom problem, and then 
pin it down to what in DBAS is happening.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Library Guide

[Dilwyn Jones]

 Daniele has looked at this issue and to quote his comments:
 
  The bad parameter error is related to a file system TRAP#3 call with 
 D0=$44.
 Do you know what this trap is supposed to do?

Here's the Trap #3 d0=$44 notes for the DATAREF_DOC document from DBAS.

Dilwyn



2)   EUSING THE DATABASE TRAP

To  find out the database version number and the vector base
address (pointer to list of vectors), a trap must be used.

The trap is  only  available  on  DIRECTORY  DEVICE  DRIVERS
(these are devices which can produce a directory, ie: respond to
a DIR procedure  from BASIC) that  were linked in  when the CALL
procedure  or the  DATA_EXT  procedure was issued.  So make sure
all  the  Device Drivers that you are going to use are installed
before the package is CALLed or DATA_EXTed.

DIRECTORY DEVICE DRIVERS include things like MDV, FLP, WIN,
RAM, and N, but not NET, PIPE, CON, SCR, SER, and PAR.

To use the package with the network file server, any machine
that  wishes to use  it, must have  the package in  memory, or a
crash will certainly occur. Eg:

 QL net no. 1 has DATA_BIN in memory, and a hard disk.
 QL net no. 2 has neither.

If QL 2  accesses the trap  (see below) on  QL 1's hard
disk,  then the operation may be successful. If it then tries to
access vectors at the address  returned,  a  crash  will  almost
certainly occur.

However if QL 2 has DATA_BIN in memory, and QL 1 has or
has not, then:

All accesses by  QL 2  to the  package will  not crash,
provided no duff values (eg: Database ID) are supplied.
 
The trap:

  FS.DBASE TRAP #3 D0=$44
Call parameters  Return Parameters
D1   D1.L  Ascii version number
D2   D2.L  Preserved
D3.W  TimeoutD3.L  Preserved

A0.L  Channel ID A0.L  Preserved
A1   A1.L  Vector base address
A2   A2.L  Preserved
  Error return:
  ERR.BP   Not implemented
  ERR.NO   Channel not open
  ERR.NC   Not complete
  ERR.NI   Not implemented
  
The vector base address should never change, so it should be
safe to do this trap once only.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta name - was OT - The great man - Steve Jobs

[Dilwyn Jones]

...
The QL was quite the reverse - it was so trouble-prone it *demanded* 
tinkering at every level.
That is what made (and makes) it so attractive, and gave Quanta its name - 
Isn't QL Users and Tinkerers Assocation?
The group's name was originally IQLUG (Indepent QL Users Group) and QUANTA 
was the name of the magazine. Then at some point Leon Heller decided that 
IQLUG was too difficult to pronounce and the group's name got changed to 
that of the magazine - for which he invented the somewhat contrived 
acronym (as he put it at the time), standing for QL Users And Tinkerers 
Association. Needless to say, the term tinkerers stuck and became one of 
the keywords you might associate with Quanta.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Website Down

[Norman Dunbar]

On 12/04/11 11:05, Rich Mellor wrote:

I see the Quanta website is just displaying a blank home page at the
moment.
View Source shows something is there, the head and body are both empty 
though. I suspect someone may be doing an upgrade?


I'm not sure if the TYPO3 system puts up a holding page, like Wordpress, 
when the system is under maintenance.



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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Website Down

[Tony Firshman]

Norman Dunbar wrote, on 12/Apr/11 11:09 | Apr12:

On 12/04/11 11:05, Rich Mellor wrote:

I see the Quanta website is just displaying a blank home page at the
moment.

View Source shows something is there, the head and body are both empty
though. I suspect someone may be doing an upgrade?

I'm not sure if the TYPO3 system puts up a holding page, like Wordpress,
when the system is under maintenance.



They now have basic info there, including the AGM, but say:


Website Maintenance
The website is undergoing maintenance as we are moving to a new 
provider. We had hoped to have the site up and running for the AGM but 
this seems to be more difficult than anticipated.

-

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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Magazine Error.

[Dilwyn Jones]

There is very little we can do to correct this error in time for the
AGM except that the eMag versions have now been corrected (which has
delayed their despatching to those members who have opted to take
their Magazine in this format). Extra copies of these documents will
be made available at the AGM for those wishing to peruse them before
the meeting.
If anyone wants a copy of the missing document to study in advance of 
the AGM, would it be possible for you to email or post a copy on 
request to members, for example?


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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Magazine Error.

[Dilwyn Jones]

Dilwyn Jones wrote:
There is very little we can do to correct this error in time for 
the
AGM except that the eMag versions have now been corrected (which 
has

delayed their despatching to those members who have opted to take
their Magazine in this format). Extra copies of these documents 
will
be made available at the AGM for those wishing to peruse them 
before

the meeting.
If anyone wants a copy of the missing document to study in advance 
of

the AGM, would it be possible for you to email or post a copy on
request to members, for example?

Dilwyn Jones (all of the clones).

Oops, that was meant to go direct to John, sorry.

Dilwyn Jones (the guilty one) 




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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Magazine Error.

[Rich Mellor]

On 22/03/2011 12:52, John Gilpin wrote:
out 6 years, hoping that a person would volunteer to take on this very 
exacting role - literally jumped into the deep end early in February 
and (with a little assistance) produced a very creditable issue, only 
to find that she had so much material left to publish - including all 
the AGM reports etc - with very little time to prepare it all. It is 
regrettable, although not altogether unexpected, that a mistake in 
some form would occur as a result of the shortage of time and Sarah's 
inexperience as an editor. Please accept our sincere apologies for 
this error.


There is very little we can do to correct this error in time for the 
AGM except that the eMag versions have now been corrected (which has 
delayed their despatching to those members who have opted to take 
their Magazine in this format). Extra copies of these documents will 
be made available at the AGM for those wishing to peruse them before 
the meeting.


I am not surprised that it was the previous Treasurer (John Taylor) 
who spotted this error but I need to point out that without Dilwyn 
seeing John's observation and bringing it to my direct attention that 
I became aware of the error. The QUANTA Magazine is generally 
proof-read by a number of people before printing (including All the 
Dilwyns) but on this occasion the shortage of time and other 
commitments of the others prevented this from happening. 


There is more of an issue here - as one of the resolutions will be to 
approve the accounts, the balance sheet HAS to be circulated to members 
before the AGM - it will need to be posted unfortunately, to those 
members who normally receive a postal copy of the magazine - otherwise 
their proxy votes could not count on approval of the accounts, as they 
will have voted to approve something they have not seen.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM

[Klaus Frank og Vita Frank]

How come, I am recieving all mails in double, except those from you.
Yours
Klaus
- Original Message - 
From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk

To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM


Two people independently proofread QL Today and we never make a 
mistake as Dilwyn, Dylwin and Dyllwin can all testify,


Best Wishes,


Geoff

No, Geoff, all three of us concur ;-)

Deliwinn Jonse

P.S. BTW, why 2 copies of the email?



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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Committee email address

[Dilwyn Jones]

John Gilpin wrote:

Please use
committee@qua...@org.uk

for All
communications intended for any member of the QUANTA Committee where 
a

guaranteed response is required.

This should read commit...@quanta.org.uk

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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Committee email address

[gdgqler]

On 22 Mar 2011, at 12:11, John Gilpin wrote:

 Please use
committee@qua...@org.uk
 
for All 
 communications intended for any member of the QUANTA Committee where a 
 guaranteed response is required.

Do you mean:

commit...@quanta.org.uk

George

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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Magazine Error.

[gdgqler]

On 22 Mar 2011, at 13:04, Rich Mellor wrote:

 There is more of an issue here - as one of the resolutions will be to approve 
 the accounts, the balance sheet HAS to be circulated to members before the 
 AGM - it will need to be posted unfortunately, to those members who normally 
 receive a postal copy of the magazine - otherwise their proxy votes could not 
 count on approval of the accounts, as they will have voted to approve 
 something they have not seen.

I agree. But there is something else as well.

The proxy form, which I will have to use because I can't attend the meeting 
unfortunately, has no boxes for votes against electing the Committee members. 
Is this deliberate?  Luckily there are boxes for votes FOR.

More alarmingly, there are no boxes at all for Resolutions 6 and 7. As for 
resolution 6 how can one decide whether to vote for or against if there is no 
amount set for the new Subscription Rate?

I would hope that at least the suggested new rate could be e-mailed to all of 
us on this list. If is the rate suggested by the Treasurer then it is in the 
magazine. If not, what is it?

George
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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Magazine Error.

[Rich Mellor]

On 22/03/2011 14:51, gdgqler wrote:

On 22 Mar 2011, at 13:04, Rich Mellor wrote:


There is more of an issue here - as one of the resolutions will be to approve 
the accounts, the balance sheet HAS to be circulated to members before the AGM 
- it will need to be posted unfortunately, to those members who normally 
receive a postal copy of the magazine - otherwise their proxy votes could not 
count on approval of the accounts, as they will have voted to approve something 
they have not seen.

I agree. But there is something else as well.

The proxy form, which I will have to use because I can't attend the meeting 
unfortunately, has no boxes for votes against electing the Committee members. 
Is this deliberate?  Luckily there are boxes for votes FOR.

More alarmingly, there are no boxes at all for Resolutions 6 and 7. As for 
resolution 6 how can one decide whether to vote for or against if there is no 
amount set for the new Subscription Rate?

I would hope that at least the suggested new rate could be e-mailed to all of 
us on this list. If is the rate suggested by the Treasurer then it is in the 
magazine. If not, what is it?

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I can't comment, as I have not yet received a copy of the Quanta 
magazine / proxy form, to know what the wording is for resolutions 6 and 7.


There does not have to be a need to vote against a committee member's 
election - you don't get the chance in a local / national election after 
all !!


You just vote for the people you want on the committee, and if there are 
10 nominees and 5 places, then the 5 with the most votes get the places...


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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Magazine Error.

[gdgqler]

On 22 Mar 2011, at 14:59, Rich Mellor wrote:

 On 22/03/2011 14:51, gdgqler wrote:
 On 22 Mar 2011, at 13:04, Rich Mellor wrote:
 
 There is more of an issue here - as one of the resolutions will be to 
 approve the accounts, the balance sheet HAS to be circulated to members 
 before the AGM - it will need to be posted unfortunately, to those members 
 who normally receive a postal copy of the magazine - otherwise their proxy 
 votes could not count on approval of the accounts, as they will have voted 
 to approve something they have not seen.
 I agree. But there is something else as well.
 
 The proxy form, which I will have to use because I can't attend the meeting 
 unfortunately, has no boxes for votes against electing the Committee 
 members. Is this deliberate?  Luckily there are boxes for votes FOR.
 
 More alarmingly, there are no boxes at all for Resolutions 6 and 7. As for 
 resolution 6 how can one decide whether to vote for or against if there is 
 no amount set for the new Subscription Rate?
 
 I would hope that at least the suggested new rate could be e-mailed to all 
 of us on this list. If is the rate suggested by the Treasurer then it is in 
 the magazine. If not, what is it?
 
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 I can't comment, as I have not yet received a copy of the Quanta magazine / 
 proxy form, to know what the wording is for resolutions 6 and 7.
 
 There does not have to be a need to vote against a committee member's 
 election - you don't get the chance in a local / national election after all 
 !!
 
 You just vote for the people you want on the committee, and if there are 10 
 nominees and 5 places, then the 5 with the most votes get the places...
 


I am looking at the Proxy Form for AstraZeneca PLC.This has, as resolution 5, 
the election or re-election of  11 directors for which there are 11 places. 
There are three boxes for each candidate. The first is labelled For, the second 
Against and the third Vote Withheld.  The same should hold for QUANTA!

The whole point about elections is that the members can express their opinion. 
In extreme cases it can happen that a candidate  is not elected because there 
are more votes Against than For. After all that is what democracy is supposed 
to be about.

George

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[Rich Mellor]

On 22/03/2011 15:13, gdgqler wrote:

On 22 Mar 2011, at 14:59, Rich Mellor wrote:


On 22/03/2011 14:51, gdgqler wrote:

On 22 Mar 2011, at 13:04, Rich Mellor wrote:


There is more of an issue here - as one of the resolutions will be to approve 
the accounts, the balance sheet HAS to be circulated to members before the AGM 
- it will need to be posted unfortunately, to those members who normally 
receive a postal copy of the magazine - otherwise their proxy votes could not 
count on approval of the accounts, as they will have voted to approve something 
they have not seen.

I agree. But there is something else as well.

The proxy form, which I will have to use because I can't attend the meeting 
unfortunately, has no boxes for votes against electing the Committee members. 
Is this deliberate?  Luckily there are boxes for votes FOR.

More alarmingly, there are no boxes at all for Resolutions 6 and 7. As for 
resolution 6 how can one decide whether to vote for or against if there is no 
amount set for the new Subscription Rate?

I would hope that at least the suggested new rate could be e-mailed to all of 
us on this list. If is the rate suggested by the Treasurer then it is in the 
magazine. If not, what is it?

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I can't comment, as I have not yet received a copy of the Quanta magazine / 
proxy form, to know what the wording is for resolutions 6 and 7.

There does not have to be a need to vote against a committee member's election 
- you don't get the chance in a local / national election after all !!

You just vote for the people you want on the committee, and if there are 10 
nominees and 5 places, then the 5 with the most votes get the places...



I am looking at the Proxy Form for AstraZeneca PLC.This has, as resolution 5, 
the election or re-election of  11 directors for which there are 11 places. 
There are three boxes for each candidate. The first is labelled For, the second 
Against and the third Vote Withheld.  The same should hold for QUANTA!

The whole point about elections is that the members can express their opinion. 
In extreme cases it can happen that a candidate  is not elected because there 
are more votes Against than For. After all that is what democracy is supposed 
to be about.

George

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I do tend to agree with this point, as it does allow for the dismissal 
of directors - however, the constitution is silent, and this should form 
part of the discussion about the constitution at the AGM.


Wouldn't it be nice if you could vote against MPs in a national election?

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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Magazine Error.

[gdgqler]

On 22 Mar 2011, at 15:17, Rich Mellor wrote:

 
 I do tend to agree with this point, as it does allow for the dismissal of 
 directors - however, the constitution is silent, and this should form part of 
 the discussion about the constitution at the AGM.
 

Clause 8.13 of the QUANTA Constitution says

To elect members of the Committee.

That is quite sufficient to imply that members can vote for, against or abstain.

 Wouldn't it be nice if you could vote against MPs in a national election?

In Scotland in some cases you can't even vote for a particular candidate. All 
you can do is vote for a political party.

George

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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Magazine Error.

[Dilwyn Jones]

Rich Mellor wrote:

Wouldn't it be nice if you could vote against MPs in a national
election? 


It doesn't matter who you vote for or against in national elections.

A government always gets in ;-)

Dilwyn Jones


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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Magazine Error.

[David Tubbs]

At 15:26 22/03/2011 +, you wrote:

 Wouldn't it be nice if you could vote against MPs in a national election?


You can, it's called tactical voting


I am unlikely to see the agenda for the AGM, is there an item :-

When and in which brewery to hild the next piss0up

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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Magazine Error.

[Geoff Wicks]

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Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Magazine Error.




Wouldn't it be nice if you could vote against MPs in a national election?



One part of the proposed coalition's electoral reforms is for constituents 
to have the power to petition to boot out their MP's.


Mind you Quanta made a prize boob in the 2006 printed version of the 
constitution. Clause 5.3 had some words missing which meant that when an 
officer was elected to the committee, he or she was elected for life.


And guess which anti-Quanta individual spotted this and pointed it out to 
the committee,


Best Wishes,


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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM

[Geoff Wicks]

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From: John Taylor j_taylo...@btinternet.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 12:18 PM
To: QLUsers ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM

I have received my March Quanta magazine and it includes two copies of the 
Income  Expenditure A/C.

Pages 35  36, but there is no copy of the Balance Sheet.
This may be a One Off, but I doubt it, as pages 35  36 are back to back.



Same here!

And I thought the Quanta Magazine was always proofread. QL Today is always 
proofread independently by two people and we never make a mistake as Dilwyn, 
Dylwin and Dillwyn can all testify,


Best Wishes,


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[Geoff Wicks]

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From: John Taylor j_taylo...@btinternet.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 12:18 PM
To: QLUsers ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM

I have received my March Quanta magazine and it includes two copies of the 
Income  Expenditure A/C.

Pages 35  36, but there is no copy of the Balance Sheet.
This may be a One Off, but I doubt it, as pages 35  36 are back to back.



Same here!

And I thought the Quanta Magazine was always proofread.

Two people independently proofread QL Today and we never make a mistake as 
Dilwyn, Dylwin and Dyllwin can all testify,


Best Wishes,


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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM

[Dilwyn Jones]

Two people independently proofread QL Today and we never make a 
mistake as Dilwyn, Dylwin and Dyllwin can all testify,


Best Wishes,


Geoff

No, Geoff, all three of us concur ;-)

Deliwinn Jonse

P.S. BTW, why 2 copies of the email?



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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM

[gdgqler]

On 21 Mar 2011, at 12:18, John Taylor wrote:

 I have received my March Quanta magazine and it includes two copies of the 
 Income  Expenditure A/C.
 Pages 35  36, but there is no copy of the Balance Sheet.
 This may be a One Off, but I doubt it, as pages 35  36 are back to back.

No Balance Sheet in Edinburgh either.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM

[Geoff Wicks]

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Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 2:34 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM

Two people independently proofread QL Today and we never make a mistake 
as Dilwyn, Dylwin and Dyllwin can all testify,


Best Wishes,


Geoff

No, Geoff, all three of us concur ;-)

Deliwinn Jonse

P.S. BTW, why 2 copies of the email?




Because Quanta usually ignores what I write!

(Actually the truth was that I  got a message saying it had not been 
possible to send the email. This usually means a technical problem with the 
server, and the email gets mangled if you try to send it a second time. I 
decided to rewrite not knowing the original was sitting in my inbox waiting 
to be sent again.)


Best wishes,


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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM

[Dilwyn Jones]

Geoff Wicks wrote:
Two people independently proofread QL Today and we never make a 
mistake as Dilwyn, Dylwin and Dyllwin can all testify,


Best Wishes,


Geoff

No, Geoff, all three of us concur ;-)

Deliwinn Jonse

P.S. BTW, why 2 copies of the email?




Because Quanta usually ignores what I write!

He he, I guess I walked into that one :o)

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta AGM

[David Tubbs]

At 14:34 21/03/2011 +, you wrote:

Deliwinn Jonse

P.S. BTW, why 2 copies of the email?


Stereo

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta News

[Malcolm Cadman]

In message 54C712DAAB5F41208F437F6B07441D2C@d3hkh9x94, Dilwyn Jones 
dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk writes


Hi Dilwyn,

Just to keep you busy with some 'copy' ... :-)


The London QL  Quanta Group started 2011 with its first Meeting of the 
Year on our new schedule - Sunday 13th February 2011.


The Welsh Congregational Chapel has been undergoing extensive 
refurbishment over the latter 2-3 Years.


The Meeting was our first, too, for a long time with the building works 
almost complete.  The main space is now fully opened up together with 
new furniture and a projection screen.  The kitchen is ultra modern, 
along with new toilets.


It makes for an even better Venue for our regular meetings, and for 
potentially holding future workshops.  The location is a basement, which 
means access is via a staircase.


We also welcomed a new member to the Group - Martyn Hill - which is good 
news for the future of the Group. Martyn was immediately 'hands on' with 
his skills in assisting us to restore to life a QL + Gold Card, housed 
in a PC case. A project that we are undertaking for a QL User who is now 
over 80 Years old.



If anyone has any news for inclusion in the next issue of Quanta 
magazine, please send it to me by 5th March.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta mags

[Norman Dunbar]

Morning Dilwyn,

On 30/12/10 17:10, Dilwyn Jones wrote:
 I'd be interested in finding out who hasn't yet received their PRINTED
 Quanta magazine.

It's not just Quanta. My QL Today is still not in my sticky little
hands! And I'm not really all that far from Chester!


Cheers,
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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta mags

[Tony Firshman]

QL-MyLink-DT wrote, on 30/Dec/10 20:50 | Dec30:

I know.. I know... Dilwyn said hasn't!

But, as I'm John in Wales and West of Chester.

I report that I recieved my QUANTA yesterday (Wednesday), bearing an 'audit
trail' -

Manchester 07.08 pm. etc. etc. On which date? aaah... that's far too
smudged to read - even with a magnifier. Funny that - everything else is
legible.

It's Quite Logical; they know you're onto it Dilwyn! :-)

Happy New Year to All


We need to hear from someone North of Forth (8-)#

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta mags

[P Witte]

Tony Firshman wrote:


QL-MyLink-DT wrote, on 30/Dec/10 20:50 | Dec30:

I know.. I know... Dilwyn said hasn't!

But, as I'm John in Wales and West of Chester.

I report that I recieved my QUANTA yesterday (Wednesday), bearing an 
'audit

trail' -

Manchester 07.08 pm. etc. etc. On which date? aaah... that's far too
smudged to read - even with a magnifier. Funny that - everything else is
legible.

It's Quite Logical; they know you're onto it Dilwyn! :-)

Happy New Year to All


We need to hear from someone North of Forth (8-)#


Got my eQuanta alright, but QLT has still to arrive up north! (Perhaps 
'cause my family had reindeer steak for Xmas again?)


A Happy QL-ing New Year to all!

Per
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[Dilwyn Jones]

John in Wales wrote: I know.. I know... Dilwyn said hasn't!


But, as I'm John in Wales and West of Chester.

I report that I recieved my QUANTA yesterday (Wednesday), bearing an
'audit trail' -

Manchester 07.08 pm.  etc. etc. On which date?  aaah... that's far
too
smudged to read - even with a magnifier.  Funny that - everything
else is legible.

It's Quite Logical; they know you're onto it Dilwyn! :-)

Hmm, one of our posties must have been reading this, as John implies.

Huge bundle of Christmas cards just arrived, plus Quanta mag and
Computeractive all arrived this morning, along with post for half the
street and that important letter I mentioned (which is now to late to
do anything about). Which leaves me with the question...

As I now have mail for half my street I'd better become a postman for
the day... if I've got post for half the street, who's got the other
half of my mail??? G. It was Per the Norwegian who ate the
reindeer, honest...I only wrote the Santa game... (there, back on
topic).

At least I've still got water, unlike half of the UK :-(


Dilwyn Jones



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[gdgqler]

On 30 Dec 2010, at 20:50, QL-MyLink-DT wrote:

 I know.. I know... Dilwyn said hasn't!
 
 But, as I'm John in Wales and West of Chester.
 
 I report that I recieved my QUANTA yesterday (Wednesday), bearing an 'audit
 trail' -
 
 Manchester 07.08 pm.  etc. etc. On which date?  aaah... that's far too
 smudged to read - even with a magnifier.  Funny that - everything else is 
 legible.
 
 It's Quite Logical; they know you're onto it Dilwyn! :-)

Quanta arrived in Edinburgh a couple of days ago but QL Tomorrow has not.

George


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[Billy]

On 31/12/2010 09:27, Tony Firshman wrote:

QL-MyLink-DT wrote, on 30/Dec/10 20:50 | Dec30:

I know.. I know... Dilwyn said hasn't!

But, as I'm John in Wales and West of Chester.

I report that I recieved my QUANTA yesterday (Wednesday), bearing an
'audit
trail' -

Manchester 07.08 pm. etc. etc. On which date? aaah... that's far too
smudged to read - even with a magnifier. Funny that - everything else is
legible.

It's Quite Logical; they know you're onto it Dilwyn! :-)

Happy New Year to All


We need to hear from someone North of Forth (8-)#

Tony


As someone from  oop North (like) I'm a little surprised you folk down 
there know that anyone actualy lives North of the Forth (:-).

Our postie is getting a little more regular (he he -just re read that)
My Quanta is delivered via Thunderbird, although I'm still getting funny 
linefeeds perhaps Thunderbug might be more apt.
Anyway as I'm wittering on about nothing in particular I'll share this 
with you.
Was talking to a couple who lived in a very small village (hamlet 
really) in 1963 when snow was as bad if not worse than this year ( eight 
foot drifts )  they walked about eight miles in the snow to the nearest 
post office to get the mail for their village walked back and around 
said village delivering the letters and packages, there was mail for 
every one except themselves


All the best - Bill
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[P Witte]

Dilwyn Jones wrote:




As I now have mail for half my street I'd better become a postman for
the day... if I've got post for half the street, who's got the other
half of my mail??? G. It was Per the Norwegian who ate the
reindeer, honest...I only wrote the Santa game... (there, back on
topic).


As to that, you have a lot to answer for, Mr Jones: I wasted nearly 
two hours catching reindeer in a maze! ;o) (But I swear I didnt eat any!)



Per
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[Dilwyn Jones]

As I now have mail for half my street I'd better become a postman 
for
the day... if I've got post for half the street, who's got the 
other

half of my mail??? G. It was Per the Norwegian who ate the
reindeer, honest...I only wrote the Santa game... (there, back on
topic).


As to that, you have a lot to answer for, Mr Jones: I wasted nearly
two hours catching reindeer in a maze! ;o) (But I swear I didnt eat
any!) 

Per

He he, any more record claims for that game?

Ann (my partner) is also cursing me for the time wasted on playing 
that game :o)


Dilwyn Jones 




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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta mags

[Bob Spelten]

Op Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:10:30 +0100 schreef Dilwyn Jones  
dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk:


I'd be interested in finding out who hasn't yet received their PRINTED  
Quanta magazine.


My Quanta Magazine arrived in Amsterdam (south-east of Chester) just  
before Christmas.
QL Today took till the 29th to find its way past postal strikes and snow  
storms.


Happy New Year to you all,
Bob

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta mags

[Geoff Wicks]

--
From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 5:10 PM
To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com
Subject: [Ql-Users] Quanta mags

1 I'm trying to build up some form of picture as to where in the UK
there are outstanding mail delivery problems, or is it local to West Of 
Chester (as John Gilpin would put it) - Quanta members can help me out by 
letting me know who HASN'T had their printed magazine by snail mail yet.




It's not just a rural problem. Here in Derby management was saying the the 
post was being delivered, but the workers that residential post had been 
secretly suspended. This on elf and safety grounds. The impression we had 
was that the workers were correct.


People who went to the sorting centre - one of the biggest in the Midlands - 
to collect their post were told that was impossible - It's chaos in there. 
We wouldn't know where to look.


When deliveries were resumed it appeared to be only current post - I got my 
magazine just before Christmas - because that way more targets for delivery 
dates were met.


I am missing a huge amount of post including 2 magazines from the beginning 
of December, a letter from the DWP and numerous Christmas greetings. With a 
bit of luck I could have them for Christmas 2011,


Best wishes,


Geoff 



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[Dilwyn Jones]

Geoff Wicks wrote:


People who went to the sorting centre - one of the biggest in the
Midlands - to collect their post were told that was impossible -
It's chaos in there. We wouldn't know where to look.
I can fully understand that - so they should make that the official 
reason and TELL people. The not-knowing  and won't tell is where 
most companies and authorities go wrong in this age of freely 
available rumour and leaks. Look at a website, ask a call centre, ask 
a manager and ask a sharp end workers and you get all different 
answers. We asked about something in a well known supermarket recently 
and got completely different answers from every member of staff we 
asked, which was hugely annoying.


I think it's known as The Official Cover-ups Act. Make something up on 
the spur of the moment to make you go away.



When deliveries were resumed it appeared to be only current post - I
got my magazine just before Christmas - because that way more 
targets

for delivery dates were met.
Same reason why for years many doctors surgeries would not let you 
book an appointment more than 24 hours in advance. It made more 
bureaucratic sense to meet targets by refusing appointments to meet 
targets than to actually shorten the queues by improving the service.



I am missing a huge amount of post including 2 magazines from the
beginning of December, a letter from the DWP and numerous Christmas
greetings. With a bit of luck I could have them for Christmas 2011,
Optimist...they are in the back of an overflow lorry parked behind a 
sorting office somewhere.


Like the proverbial postcard that turns up 20 or 30 years later...

But, seriously, if only we were actually TOLD the facts, we'd be much 
more forgiving and understanding when issues like this crop up.


Dilwyn Jones



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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Subgroups - Survival - continued

[John Sadler]

Hi

SQLUG meets every second Sunday in the month throughout the year.

As we are a small group it is occasionally moved to suit the members.

Visitors are welcome but please contact George Gwilt at 0131 445 1266 first.

On Friday 18 June 2010 18:32, Malcolm Cadman wrote:
 Hi,

 Following this up.

 It is clear that the last two on this list  - 7- Surrey and 8 - Sussex
 - no longer operate.

 Can anyone confirm the operation of numbers 1, 2, and 6 on the list ?

 As George contributes regularly to this list, he can confirm the details
 for number 5.


 1 - West Midlands - Meets at the Bull, 1 Price Street, Birmingham.
 Meet 1st and 3rd Monday of each month, members pay £1 a Meeting.
 24 times a Year ?

 2 - Dorset - No described location.
 Meet on the second Sunday of every month, no cost indicated.
 12 times a Year ?

 3 - London - School Room, Welsh Congregational Chapel, London SE1.
 Meet second Sunday of each month - 10 times a Year.
 Now changing over to 8 times a Year in 2010.

 4 - North-East Manchester - 181 Urmston Lane, Stretford, Manchester.
 Meet last Thursday of each month, except December.
 11 times a Year.

 5 - Scottish - George Gwilt's home.
 Meet second Sunday of every month.
 12 times a Year ?

 6 - Solent - Botley Market Hall.
 Meet first Saturday of every month.
 12 times a Year ?

 7 - Surrey - No venue announced.
 Meet last Wednesday of every month, except December.
 11 times a Year ?

 8 - Sussex - No venue announced.
 No meeting place.
 ? times a Year.

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[gdgqler]

On 18 Jun 2010, at 19:32, Malcolm Cadman wrote:

 
 5 - Scottish - George Gwilt's home.
 Meet second Sunday of every month.
 12 times a Year ?

Yes

George
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[Malcolm Cadman]

In message memo.20100618202512.12...@cave612, Christopher Cave 
cave...@btinternet.com writes


Hi Chris,

Good ...Pleased to hear that you are still Meeting as a Group . :-)


Malcolm knows very well that I am still alive, so perhaps he ought not to
be quite so definite about the alleged demise of the Surrey group. Yes,
we are reduced in numbers but we do still meet about once a month on a
Wednesday evening. We are coy about where since it depends on the
generosity of a non-computer related club - should anyone want to come
they would need to contact us via Ken Bain (see relevant Quanta page).

Christopher Cave

 Original Message 

*From:* Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk
*To:* ql-us...@q-v-d.com
*Date:* Fri, 18 Jun 2010 19:32:26 +0100

Hi,

Following this up.

It is clear that the last two on this list  - 7- Surrey and 8 - Sussex
- no longer operate.

Can anyone confirm the operation of numbers 1, 2, and 6 on the list ?

As George contributes regularly to this list, he can confirm the details
for number 5.


1 - West Midlands - Meets at the Bull, 1 Price Street, Birmingham.
Meet 1st and 3rd Monday of each month, members pay £1 a Meeting.
24 times a Year ?

2 - Dorset - No described location.
Meet on the second Sunday of every month, no cost indicated.
12 times a Year ?

3 - London - School Room, Welsh Congregational Chapel, London SE1.
Meet second Sunday of each month - 10 times a Year.
Now changing over to 8 times a Year in 2010.

4 - North-East Manchester - 181 Urmston Lane, Stretford, Manchester.
Meet last Thursday of each month, except December.
11 times a Year.

5 - Scottish - George Gwilt's home.
Meet second Sunday of every month.
12 times a Year ?

6 - Solent - Botley Market Hall.
Meet first Saturday of every month.
12 times a Year ?

7 - Surrey - No venue announced.
Meet last Wednesday of every month, except December.
11 times a Year ?

8 - Sussex - No venue announced.
No meeting place.
? times a Year.



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[Geoff Wicks]

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From: Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 7:32 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: [Ql-Users] Quanta Subgroups - Survival - continued



2 - Dorset - No described location.
Meet on the second Sunday of every month, no cost indicated.
12 times a Year ?

This is a recent change of events. Until earlier this year they met in the 
Merley Community Centre, but presumably this is no longer possible following 
the death of John Meadows. Given the small number of people living in the 
catchment area I think Dorset are to be congratulated for still having a sub 
group,


Best Wishes,


Geoff 



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[Geoff Wicks]

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From: Christopher Cave cave...@btinternet.com
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 8:25 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: [Ql-Users]  Quanta Subgroups - Survival - continued


Malcolm knows very well that I am still alive, so perhaps he ought not to
be quite so definite about the alleged demise of the Surrey group. Yes,
we are reduced in numbers but we do still meet about once a month on a
Wednesday evening. We are coy about where since it depends on the
generosity of a non-computer related club - should anyone want to come
they would need to contact us via Ken Bain (see relevant Quanta page).



Have you considered rewording what you put in the Quanta Magazine - and on 
the website - to make this clearer?


Best Wishes,

Geoff 



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[Dilwyn Jones]

Malcolm knows very well that I am still alive, so perhaps he ought 
not to
be quite so definite about the alleged demise of the Surrey group. 
Yes,
we are reduced in numbers but we do still meet about once a month on 
a

Wednesday evening. We are coy about where since it depends on the
generosity of a non-computer related club - should anyone want to 
come
they would need to contact us via Ken Bain (see relevant Quanta 
page).


Christopher Cave
In other words, contact details correct for the Surrey group as they 
stand?


Roy - I take it you want the Sussex group entry removed, then?

I'm grateful to Malcolm for bringing this up. Can anyone else whose 
subgroup is listed wrongly please contact me and (despite my 
experiences with the international groups) I'll try to make sure the 
list is brought up to date in Quanta mag.


Dilwyn Jones 




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[Roy Wood]

On 18/06/2010 20:37, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

Roy - I take it you want the Sussex group entry removed, then?

Unless someone else has convened a group - yes.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Quanta Subgroups - Survival

[Geoff Wicks]

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From: Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:57 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: [Ql-Users] Quanta Subgroups - Survival




Overall a good number of subgroups, yet two definitely meet at someone's 
home, and three have no location for Meetings ( although one of these 
claims 12 Meetings a Year ).  Leaving three subgroups that have a Venue.


It seems to me that Quanta needs its subgroups to be active and thriving, 
to feed into the main organisation.


Therefore continued support is vital to survival.



It is my policy not to take an active part in this group, but I am prepared 
to make an exception occasionally. In this case because whenever you and I 
have ever tried to start a discussion on this subject in the past there has 
been no interest.


As far as I can seen the present status is as follows:

There are not 8 subgroups but 6. Surrey and Sussex have been saying for 
about 4 years now that they have no meeting place. It is reasonable to 
assume that means they no longer exist. Unless, of course, that group of men 
under Brighton pier are not alcoholics as I had assumed, but vagrant QL-ers.


I also thought that Solent and Dorset no longer existed, but earlier this 
year Solent gave new meeting details. It is a pity they did not tell us what 
their numbers are and what they get up to. At the AGM John Mason confirmed 
that Dorset still exists, but is getting smaller and now barely viable. 
Since that time we have had the sad news of John Meadow's death.


You know what happens in London. I believe you are getting smaller, but you 
do maintain a website and some trade in second hand goods. I think it's a 
pity the Quanta hierarchy do not want any more shows in the hall, but the 
officers have certified themselves as being too decrepit and senile to 
manage the stairs.


Scotland also maintains a website and is remarkably active for an area with 
so few Ql-ers, mainly because of the enthusiasm of John Sadler and George 
Gwilt. They gave one member good support when he had problems with one of my 
programs. (Apologies, Colin, I still have not solved the problem.)


Birmingham meet in a local pub and rely on the fact that inner city pubs are 
delighted to have any customers in the evening. They are a group of about 8 
elderly men who meet to talk about everything and occasionally the QL. 
Interestingly six of them, including the chairman, are not members of 
Quanta. (The chairman for reasons of principle.)


Manchester is the largest of the subgroups and you have to touch your 
forelock when you meet them because they are also the Quanta toffs. (Quanta 
is shortly to be renamed the External Affairs Branch of the North East 
Manchester QL User Group). For a large group they are surprisingly silent 
about what they get up to, probably because of years of covert plotting to 
take over Quanta. I once tried to goad them into telling us something of 
what they do by suggesting on this list that they were not really QL-ers, 
but a secret Elvis appreciation society, but it did not work.


Manchester do not have a dedicated website in spite of the fact that the 
Quanta toffs are always moaning about how little interest the lesser mortals 
on other subgroups show in having a dedicated page on the Quanta website. 
All very hypocritical when you consider Quanta's specialist web staff hale 
from Manchester,


Best wishes,

Geoff

PS Dilwyn, please feel free to reproduce this in its entirety in the Quanta 
Magazine, but somehow I don't think you will want to.





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[Dilwyn Jones]

Manchester is the largest of the subgroups and you have to touch 
your
forelock when you meet them because they are also the Quanta toffs. 
(Quanta
is shortly to be renamed the External Affairs Branch of the North 
East
Manchester QL User Group). For a large group they are surprisingly 
silent
about what they get up to, probably because of years of covert 
plotting to
take over Quanta. I once tried to goad them into telling us 
something of
what they do by suggesting on this list that they were not really 
QL-ers,

but a secret Elvis appreciation society, but it did not work.

;-))

Does that make John Gilpin or Keith Dunbar Elvis reincarnated? I will 
wait to see what the QL Today editorial team can discover :o)



Manchester do not have a dedicated website in spite of the fact that 
the
Quanta toffs are always moaning about how little interest the lesser 
mortals
on other subgroups show in having a dedicated page on the Quanta 
website.
All very hypocritical when you consider Quanta's specialist web 
staff hale

from Manchester,

Best wishes,

Geoff

PS Dilwyn, please feel free to reproduce this in its entirety in the 
Quanta

Magazine, but somehow I don't think you will want to.
Ummm, I'll take the excuse that I am not Editor and that this doesn't 
come within my News Editor remit :-/


And as I (to the best of my knowledge) have never been within range of 
a subgroup (nearest was Cheshire) I don't feel qualified to comment 
too much on that unless the few QLers west of Chester would like to 
form one?


Also, I was rather disappointed with the response I got to my 
international groups requests. Despite trying to contact several 
individuals I knew of from former groups, I never got replies from 
most of them. So I took that as far as I could then gave up in 
disappointment.


I was very glad to see individuals taking the initiative with the 
recent shows in Switzerland and Austria, of course. No user group in 
those countries didn't mean nothing happening of course.


Dilwyn Jones



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[Malcolm Cadman]

In message ce65970b0d324a6c93c30293dadae...@geoffbqm5ccx41, Geoff 
Wicks gtwi...@btinternet.com writes

--
From: Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:57 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: [Ql-Users] Quanta Subgroups - Survival




Overall a good number of subgroups, yet two definitely meet at 
someone's  home, and three have no location for Meetings ( although 
one of these  claims 12 Meetings a Year ).  Leaving three subgroups 
that have a Venue.


It seems to me that Quanta needs its subgroups to be active and 
thriving,  to feed into the main organisation.


Therefore continued support is vital to survival.



It is my policy not to take an active part in this group, but I am 
prepared to make an exception occasionally. In this case because 
whenever you and I have ever tried to start a discussion on this 
subject in the past there has been no interest.


As far as I can seen the present status is as follows:

There are not 8 subgroups but 6. Surrey and Sussex have been saying for 
about 4 years now that they have no meeting place. It is reasonable to 
assume that means they no longer exist. Unless, of course, that group 
of men under Brighton pier are not alcoholics as I had assumed, but 
vagrant QL-ers.


I also thought that Solent and Dorset no longer existed, but earlier 
this year Solent gave new meeting details. It is a pity they did not 
tell us what their numbers are and what they get up to. At the AGM John 
Mason confirmed that Dorset still exists, but is getting smaller and 
now barely viable. Since that time we have had the sad news of John 
Meadow's death.


You know what happens in London. I believe you are getting smaller, but 
you do maintain a website and some trade in second hand goods. I think 
it's a pity the Quanta hierarchy do not want any more shows in the 
hall, but the officers have certified themselves as being too decrepit 
and senile to manage the stairs.


Scotland also maintains a website and is remarkably active for an area 
with so few Ql-ers, mainly because of the enthusiasm of John Sadler and 
George Gwilt. They gave one member good support when he had problems 
with one of my programs. (Apologies, Colin, I still have not solved the 
problem.)


Birmingham meet in a local pub and rely on the fact that inner city 
pubs are delighted to have any customers in the evening. They are a 
group of about 8 elderly men who meet to talk about everything and 
occasionally the QL. Interestingly six of them, including the chairman, 
are not members of Quanta. (The chairman for reasons of principle.)


Manchester is the largest of the subgroups and you have to touch your 
forelock when you meet them because they are also the Quanta toffs. 
(Quanta is shortly to be renamed the External Affairs Branch of the 
North East Manchester QL User Group). For a large group they are 
surprisingly silent about what they get up to, probably because of 
years of covert plotting to take over Quanta. I once tried to goad them 
telling us something of what they do by suggesting on this list that 
they were not really QL-ers, but a secret Elvis appreciation society, 
but it did not work.


Manchester do not have a dedicated website in spite of the fact that 
the Quanta toffs are always moaning about how little interest the 
lesser mortals on other subgroups show in having a dedicated page on 
the Quanta website. All very hypocritical when you consider Quanta's 
specialist web staff hale from Manchester,


Best wishes,

Geoff

PS Dilwyn, please feel free to reproduce this in its entirety in the 
Quanta Magazine, but somehow I don't think you will want to.


Hi Geoff,

Nice to see you involved again ... :-)

It would be useful to get the status of the subgroups all up to date.

Meeting at a venue is quite different from meeting in a pub - a place 
where on is expected to purchase drinks of an alcoholic nature ... :-)


Or, from meeting at someone's home.

Of course, the latter is a resort to keep things going.

So, overall maybe there are just 4 active subgroups now - in the UK ?

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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Survey

[David Tubbs]

It all seems thoroughly Quantesque,
Still, if it will hardly matter if the results are published as widely as 
the last one.


At 18:20 17/02/2010 +, you wrote:

On Wednesday 17 Feb 2010 17:27:09 Derek Stewart wrote:
 I selected option 1, which I took to be; I Strongly Agree

 I will be introducing the wrong information in the survey now.

 The Survey should of been proof read before being published.

That was all my fault.
When testing the survey I did spot that there should have been an indication
to which was Strongly Agree/Strongly disagree but I forgot to ask Keith to
change this.

The spellings and inconsistencies were also all my fault.

I did try to incorporate the suggestions that had been sent in when it was
initially planned, and each time we do this, hopefully we will get better.

I notice that Keith and Dan have now added a comment to which is Strongly
Agree on the scale and Dilwyn's suggestions on some of my spelling mistakes
have now been corrected.

The reason for the lack of collecting a name or email address was down to the
idea that the results should be available to all and I did not want any
possibility that someone could complain about lack of data protection if they
could be identified.

Any comments about the survey are welcomed as I would like to see it run much
more regularly so everyone can see how we are changing.



I suppose while I am writing I do have a question?
Has anyone produced a virtual machine containing an emulator that could be
moved from machine to machine, OS to OS?

Regards
John

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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Survey

[gdgqler]

On 16 Feb 2010, at 21:52, Derek Stewart wrote:

 Just done the Survey on my Ubuntu box, all seems to go fine.
 
 The only thing I could see wrong was the scale of 1-5 was missing, I selected 
 1 as strongly agree
 


Hm!! I thought that 5 was strongly agree.

George
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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Survey

[Stephen]

On 17/02/2010 15:44, gdgqler wrote:

On 16 Feb 2010, at 21:52, Derek Stewart wrote:


Just done the Survey on my Ubuntu box, all seems to go fine.

The only thing I could see wrong was the scale of 1-5 was missing, I selected 1 
as strongly agree




Hm!! I thought that 5 was strongly agree.

George


Me too.
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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Survey

[Bob Spelten]

Op Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:09:54 +0100 schreef John Gilpin  
thegilp...@btinternet.com:




Please spend a few minutes filling in the survey (no personal details
are required)

This will enable QUANTA to better support its members and the QL
fraternity as a whole.


Looking through the questionnaire a few new questions came up.

1) What is meant by a QL derivative?
The explanation in my English Dictionaries doesn't tell me how to apply  
this to the QL.


2) The QXL is missing from the various hardware lists.

3) There was also a question for most used QLing platform.
Wouldn't it be interesting to know how this compares to say other PC use?
Looking through the list for the second time I could not find this item  
again and may have submitted the incomplete survey by mistake, so please  
ignore.


3) I could not find a link on the Quanta site for this survey.
So it's now limited to QL-users who have got the link.

Bob

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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Survey

[Tony Firshman]

Bob Spelten wrote:
Op Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:09:54 +0100 schreef John Gilpin 
thegilp...@btinternet.com:
 

snip
Looking through the list for the second time I could not find this 
item again and may have submitted the incomplete survey by mistake, so 
please ignore.

How can they ignore it?  They don't know which are *yours*.
I too submitted an incomplete survey while browsing just as you did.
There just has to be a  'SUBMIT SURVEY' button at the end.

That combined with the invalid question that does not define 1-5 means I 
think that the survey will have to be started again I reckon.
Can I suggest that name/email be asked for at the very least. Also did 
the questions have numbers?

If not they should.  It is hard to discuss here without that.

Tony Firshman

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Re: [Ql-Users] QUANTA Survey

[gdgqler]

On 17 Feb 2010, at 16:17, Tony Firshman wrote:

 
 That combined with the invalid question that does not define 1-5 means I 
 think that the survey will have to be started again I reckon.

At least you can tell how many strong feelings there were. 3 = don't care. 1,5 
= I strongly something. 2,3 = well perhaps so.

George
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