[ql-users] Q-Emulator 2
Tyche is Jonathon Oakley's (Sinclair - QJump - Minerva) updated QDOS for the Tyche successor to the QL.The intellectual property rights for this ROM reside with whoever picked up the bits from Amstrad. Tony Tebby
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Την 12/11/2002 5:50:43 ��, ο/η TonyTebby [EMAIL PROTECTED] έγραψε: Από: TonyTebby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Προς: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Θέμα: [ql-users] Q-Emulator 2 Ημερομηνία:Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:50:43 +0100 Tyche is Jonathon Oakley's (Sinclair - QJump - Minerva) updated QDOS for the Tyche successor to the QL. The intellectual property rights for this ROM reside with whoever picked up the bits from Amstrad. Tony Tebby Aha! That's why it looks so much like Minerva during startup :-) Amstrad has (supposedly) relinquished all rights, however it would be good to contact him for a. ask permission to distribute it and b. get some more info on it... (for historical reasons) Phoebus
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[Jonathon Oakley] I believe he is one of the people who seems to have dropped off the face of the earth? IIRC he was at the Bielefeld meeting all those years ago... Nasta
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OK, those who looked into this when it was decreed that the QL ROMs could be distributed, anyone know status of Tyche now? Or how to contact Jonathan Oakley to see if he is able to release it? Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: TonyTebby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:50 AM Subject: [ql-users] Q-Emulator 2 Tyche is Jonathon Oakley's (Sinclair - QJump - Minerva) updated QDOS for the Tyche successor to the QL. The intellectual property rights for this ROM reside with whoever picked up the bits from Amstrad. Tony Tebby
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[Jonathon Oakley] I believe he is one of the people who seems to have dropped off the face of the earth? IIRC he was at the Bielefeld meeting all those years ago... Nasta For my sins working for Patientline for the last 11 months...I was told by Tony Firshman or Laurence that Jonathan Oakley was one of the original design team working on the originals of these little Patientline hospital cable TV systems featured on BBC news yesterday, of all things using either a derivative of QDOS or something resembling QDOS a few years ago. It's now a mix of Windows CE and other Windoze flavours from 98 to NT and 2000 (no Jonathan any more AFAIK). No wonder I moan about the firm all the time is it ;-)) -- Dilwyn Jones
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On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 at 13:59:07, ZN wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jonathon Oakley] I believe he is one of the people who seems to have dropped off the face of the earth? IIRC he was at the Bielefeld meeting all those years ago... Last communications from JonathAn were: - 1999 jonathanDOToakleyATteam-consultingDOTcom 2000 jonathanATwoolliscroftsDOTfreeserveDOTcoDOTuk I looked up Jonathan Oakley on Google, and there are so many people called that. Looks like he doesn't have a web site. Then +Jonathan Oakley +minerva came up with some very old Fido archives. Whatever happened to Marco Holmer, Erik Slagter, Tony Price, and all the rest. ... but oddest of all was the American called Oakley whose children were called Minerva and Jonathan -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
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On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 at 22:10:14, Dilwyn Jones wrote: (ref: 011701c28a98$c72ef280$70065cc3blackpc) [Jonathon Oakley] I believe he is one of the people who seems to have dropped off the face of the earth? IIRC he was at the Bielefeld meeting all those years ago... Nasta For my sins working for Patientline for the last 11 months...I was told by Tony Firshman or Laurence that Jonathan Oakley was one of the original design team working on the originals of these little Patientline hospital cable TV systems featured on BBC news yesterday, of all things using either a derivative of QDOS or something resembling QDOS a few years ago. It's now a mix of Windows CE and other Windoze flavours from 98 to NT and 2000 (no Jonathan any more AFAIK). No wonder I moan about the firm all the time is it ;-)) Lau - and he got heavily involved too of course. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tonysurname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
RE: [ql-users] Q-Emulator 2
Does anyone know of a way for Q-Emulator to skip the ROM type detection? The Ultra MG roms do not start as they are 64 K instead of 48.. Is there any hidden switch somewhere? Daniele? If you split the ROM in two files of 48KB and 16KB and install the latter as the QL's back rom, as Marcel says, you get a memory configuration equivalent to a 64KB ROM. However, there's currently no way to disable Q-emuLator's ROM detection. The reason is that Q-emuLator needs to recognise a few spots in the ROM to be able to interact with QDOS, for example to install new directory device drivers. Another option would have been to emulate parts of the QL hardware like the microdrive ports and the QL's coprocessor, and access files this way. It would then work with any ROM that can run on a real, unexpanded QL, but you wouldn't have some of Q-emuLator's capabilities, like the TRAP #3 extensions to access subdirectories (both on QDOS mediums and in the Windows file system), or being able to read QXL.WIN disk images. In a similar way, Q-emuLator tries to do some magic to give you keyboard emulation that is independent of the type of QL ROM and PC keyboard that you use. Finally, Q-emuLator tries to recognize ROMs to be able to apply a few patches that fix ROM bugs. For example, without patches a JS ROM QL would not be able to handle 16MB of RAM. If this ROM is almost like an MG, then it might be easy to change the emulator to accept it. If you send me the ROM I can find out why the emulator is rejecting it. Thanks, Daniele
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Phoebus Dokos wrote: Does anyone know of a way for Q-Emulator to skip the ROM type detection? The Ultra MG roms do not start as they are 64 K instead of 48.. Is there any hidden switch somewhere? Daniele? Split it into one ROM with 48kb and one with 16kb. Then set the two files as Main ROM respectively Back ROM. Marcel
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Phoebus Dokos wrote: BTW: I have now the Tyche ROM up and running :-) Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is the Tyche ROM? Marcel
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??? 11/11/2002 11:29:30 ??, ?/? Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] ??: (for the ones that don't get that reference, Sirius Cybernetics was a company in Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy series. I somehow doubt this was ever a serious company name on earth). Maybe an Internal Joke? Who knows? Well, interesting nonetheless. What's more interesting is that this ROM is FAST! Below are the results from qsbb_bas QLAY 0.90 with 640K, no NFA ROM, 2 mdv files attached, f option set to 1, running under WinXP PRO on an AMD K7@750Mhz JS/MGG/JSU --- Printing: 18500 Functions: 30560 Strings:42140 MGUK - Printing: 18820 Functions: 30540 Strings:40980 Minerva 1.89 Printing: 18860 Functions: 34140 Strings:45960 Tyche (Ver$ reports: T05) Printing: 19060 Functions: 36740 Strings:47880 My next step would be to try it with Speedscreen... (sometime later though!) 1. That just maybe a nice hacked ROM (I have to disassemble it to know for sure) That'd be my guess. I am not so sure this was hacked, as it seems by far the fastest rom I ever saw :-) Now i need a volunteer with an Eprom Programmer to try it on the Aurora (when my SGC is back ;-) Marcel
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??? 11/11/2002 9:25:24 ??, ?/? Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] ??: ??? 11/11/2002 7:44:15 ??, ?/? Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] ??: Phoebus Dokos wrote: Does anyone know of a way for Q-Emulator to skip the ROM type detection? The Ultra MG roms do not start as they are 64 K instead of 48.. Is there any hidden switch somewhere? Daniele? Split it into one ROM with 48kb and one with 16kb. Then set the two files as Main ROM respectively Back ROM. Didn't work unfortunately :-( Still Unknown QDOS Type (for that and Tyche Roms) Phoebus
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??? 11/11/2002 2:11:33 ??, ?/? Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] ??: Phoebus Dokos wrote: (for the ones that don't get that reference, Sirius Cybernetics was a company in Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy series. I somehow doubt this was ever a serious company name on earth). Maybe an Internal Joke? Who knows? Yes, after having seen the startup screen it really looks like that. I got it booting up on QPC but it crashes after drawing the SuperBasic windows, I suspect it has a problem with my emulated microdrives. I remember those have often caused problems. Nonetheless very interesting. It did that to me to, until I set it up for memory below 1 Meg... It recognizes 640K with no problems... Its microdrive code must me weird though because although it reads the mdv files from QLAY, it cannot boot from them (you have to manually type lrun mdv1_boot etc...) And forget my advice for QemuLator (I thought only the 48kb limit bothered it), it still insists that it only works with known roms. Pitty really. Maybe Daniele can help... Hmmm imagine Q-Emulator emulating Thors as well (Simon will jump hoops for that ;-) The original QDOS was optimised for size, not for speed. With 16kb more to spend more speed is probably much easier to achieve. True :-) Phoebus
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Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is the Tyche ROM? Marcel According to Dilwyn that sent that to me, the Tyche was the codename for the Super QL that was developed by Sirius Cybernetics for Sinclair (Amstrad?). Apart from the above I know little about it... Anybody with more info? It does run however and executes basic programs and its a little faster (with a small test I run) than MGx roms Was sent to me by Simon Goodwin. Don't know much more about it and have never seen it running. -- Dilwyn Jones
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??? 11/11/2002 3:10:55 ??, ?/? Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] ??: Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is the Tyche ROM? Marcel According to Dilwyn that sent that to me, the Tyche was the codename for the Super QL that was developed by Sirius Cybernetics for Sinclair (Amstrad?). Apart from the above I know little about it... Anybody with more info? It does run however and executes basic programs and its a little faster (with a small test I run) than MGx roms Was sent to me by Simon Goodwin. Don't know much more about it and have never seen it running. -- Dilwyn Jones Dilwyn, to make it run with QLAY your qlay.rc should look like this: -r c:\roms\tyche-tra.rom -c [EMAIL PROTECTED] -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] -l win2@sub2\qlay.dir -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] -f 11538.46 Replace the -f with the appropriate one for your machine Phoebus
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to make it run with QLAY your qlay.rc should look like this: -r c:\roms\tyche-tra.rom -c [EMAIL PROTECTED] -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] -l win2@sub2\qlay.dir -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] -f 11538.46 Replace the -f with the appropriate one for your machine Phoebus Hi Phoebus, I've added this info to the QL Roms page on my website, along with a zipped copy of the Tyche ROM. At some point, I will need to write up the information Duncan and Wolfgang and Marcel sent me about the PE linkage block and mouse reading possibilities and add that as well...and add all this to the QL CD-ROMs which include all the info files...if only I could find th eoriginal files rather than having to type them in from paper! Dilwyn
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Thanks Phoebus, I'll see where can this best be permenently documented. E.g. where I offer the Tyche ROM and perhaps in the QL EMulators CD somewhere. Dilwyn - Original Message - From: Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Q-Emulator 2 ??? 11/11/2002 3:10:55 ??, ?/? Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] ??: Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is the Tyche ROM? Marcel According to Dilwyn that sent that to me, the Tyche was the codename for the Super QL that was developed by Sirius Cybernetics for Sinclair (Amstrad?). Apart from the above I know little about it... Anybody with more info? It does run however and executes basic programs and its a little faster (with a small test I run) than MGx roms Was sent to me by Simon Goodwin. Don't know much more about it and have never seen it running. -- Dilwyn Jones Dilwyn, to make it run with QLAY your qlay.rc should look like this: -r c:\roms\tyche-tra.rom -c [EMAIL PROTECTED] -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] -l win2@sub2\qlay.dir -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] -f 11538.46 Replace the -f with the appropriate one for your machine Phoebus
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??? 11/11/2002 5:24:16 ??, ?/? Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] ??: Thanks Phoebus, I'll see where can this best be permenently documented. E.g. where I offer the Tyche ROM and perhaps in the QL EMulators CD somewhere. Dilwyn It is in there and moreover I updated it too... Release 4 is almost ready... I've sent you a copy via Rich :-) Also got permission from Paul Holmgren (and agreed on a royaltee fee as well)... Email me privately pls ;-)
