Re: autoconf?

1999-07-02 Thread Russell Nelson
Russ Allbery writes: I can readily believe that Dan's build construction tools are quite sophisticated for the problems that he's trying to solve. I'm a little more skeptical that they're going to make software packages that are essentially the distilled portability hacks of *hundreds*

Re: Archiving contents of messages

1999-07-02 Thread Russell Nelson
Gavin Cameron writes: Hi all, We've deciced that our company is going to archive copies of all E-mail's as they enter and leave our network. Privacy issues aside, what is the proper Qmail way of achieving this end? Quoting FAQ 8.2: 8.2. How do I keep a copy of all incoming and

Re: autoconf?

1999-07-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem is that the portability hacks have the wrong attitude. They say "how do we get program foo to work with os bar's c library"? Dan says "os bar's c library is a piece of shit anyway. Why bother figuring out all the many and myriad ways

Re: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Scott D Yelich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just read the bind book after 12 years of Internet work (ya, predating real widespread bind use... remember ftping to xerox parc?). I did learn two things, so that was worthwhile. Of course, I borrowed the book, so it has been returned. Why can't

Re: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Adam D. McKenna
On Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 12:08:20AM -0600, Scott D. Yelich wrote: First of all I'd like to apologize to the entire list for posting this. I had told myself I wasn't going to post any more on this thread, but it's just too funny to keep away from. This, however, WILL be my last post, and as for

Re: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Scott D. Yelich
On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Adam D. McKenna wrote: the RFC, it will just state something like "MX records can't point to CNAMES" -- and never really state why this is so. You were given the answer to this two days ago and didn't bother to read it. Russ just answered you again, let's see if you

Re: Undelivered mail

1999-07-02 Thread Anand Buddhdev
On Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 06:52:54PM -0600, Jeff Lush wrote: I can think of 2 possibilities: 1. (server side): The timestamp on the message files is in the future, and so qmail-pop3d does not "see" them. To fix, simply touch the files. # touch ~username/Maildir/new/* 2. (client side): The

databytes

1999-07-02 Thread Van Liedekerke Franky
Hi, I have a small question about the databytes control file: does a mail first get stored on local disk before the size is checked? Becuase if so, a client can send mails of 10 GB... they won't go through, but they would block the server completely... Franky

Re: databytes

1999-07-02 Thread Andre Oppermann
Van Liedekerke Franky wrote: Hi, I have a small question about the databytes control file: does a mail first get stored on local disk before the size is checked? Becuase if so, a client can send mails of 10 GB... they won't go through, but they would block the server completely...

Re: databytes

1999-07-02 Thread Janos Farkas
On 1999-07-02 at 11:09:56, Van Liedekerke Franky wrote: I have a small question about the databytes control file: does a mail first get stored on local disk before the size is checked? No, qmail-smtpd checks it continously while passing the message data to qmail-queue. As soon as it founds

Re: databytes

1999-07-02 Thread Andre Oppermann
Janos Farkas wrote: On 1999-07-02 at 11:09:56, Van Liedekerke Franky wrote: I have a small question about the databytes control file: does a mail first get stored on local disk before the size is checked? No, qmail-smtpd checks it continously while passing the message data to

qmail Digest 2 Jul 1999 10:00:01 -0000 Issue 689

1999-07-02 Thread qmail-digest-help
qmail Digest 2 Jul 1999 10:00:01 - Issue 689 Topics (messages 27367 through 27464): Howto 27367 by: Dave Sill [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27370 by: "Alex Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27375 by: Dave Sill [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27380 by: "Alex Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: autoconf?

1999-07-02 Thread Fred Lindberg
On Fri, 2 Jul 1999 08:11:03 -0400 (EDT), Russell Nelson wrote: Sorry, Russ, but autoconf is a lose (compared to Dan's methods -- obviously it's much better than the old "edit the Makefile; edit config.h; make; iterate" way). It's just wrong, all the way. Something can solve a problem but still

Re: What's the syslogd replacement called?

1999-07-02 Thread Anand Buddhdev
On Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 03:09:24PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: You're looking for cyclog, which is part of the daemontools package. Find it at: ftp://koobera.math.uic.edu/pub/software/daemontools-0.53.tar.gz There was discussion a while ago about a faster syslogd replacement (part of the qmail

RE: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Alex Miller
It's great. That being said vigorously sincerely, there are a few improvements. 2.8.1 discusses /var/qmail/rc The memphis RPM which, so far, was the only way I could get QMail to function differs from conventional setups in that there is no /var/qmail/rc file. It would be nice if something

RE: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Mate Wierdl
I have installed the line from FAQ 5.1 in the ined.conf tcpserver -u 501 -g 500 0 smtp /car/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd The FAQ never said to put the above line in inetd.conf. It says put the above line in your sys startup files. tcpserver is used *instead of* inetd. The FAQ cannot really be

RE: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Mate Wierdl
No magic maybe, but perhaps a different syntax in the inetd that Redhat uses. No, syntax for Rh inetd is the same as in the INSTALL: 16. Set up qmail-smtpd in /etc/inetd.conf (all on one line): smtp stream tcp nowait qmaild /var/qmail/bin/tcp-env tcp-env

Re: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Mate Wierdl
I believe the point was that you read your car manual to see where the power connects are for the stereo your also reading a manual for to install. Or, in other words, read your linux manual to learn how to use your inetd correctly while you read the qmail manual as you install

RE: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Durham, Kenneth J
Being a newbi as alex in qmail an other things. You guys have to understand that alot of the manuals are made for linux users and not newbies. The text as well as explination of alot of the commands do not make any sense at all to someone that is new. If the manuals were also out with text that

Re: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Adam D. McKenna
On Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 07:50:32AM -0700, Durham, Kenneth J wrote: Being a newbi as alex in qmail an other things. You guys have to understand that alot of the manuals are made for linux users and not newbies. The text as well as explination of alot of the commands do not make any sense at

Re: rcpthosts may include wildcards

1999-07-02 Thread Adam D. McKenna
On Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 10:55:33AM -0400, Dave Kitabjian wrote: This is probably very simple, but indulge me. man for qmail-smtpd says: rcpthosts may include wildcards: heaven.af.mil .heaven.af.mil So is the "." the wildcard? My current

memphis rpm(Re: Howto)

1999-07-02 Thread Mate Wierdl
Finally, I installed the Memphis RPM, I noticed immediate differences. 1) First, there is no rc file in /var/qmail. The README in my ftp directory explains the differences between the tarball and the rpm's setup. 2) There were additional daemons running, particularly the tcp

Re: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Paul J. Schinder
On Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 07:50:32AM -0700, Durham, Kenneth J wrote: } Being a newbi as alex in qmail an other things. You guys have to understand } that alot of the manuals are made for linux users and not newbies. The text } as well as explination of alot of the commands do not make any sense at

Re: Behaviour of qmail about not valid Mail from: adresses

1999-07-02 Thread Sam
Diego Puertas writes: Sam wrote: Diego Puertas writes: When I put wrong email adresses (i.e.: "|/sbin/mkmess [EMAIL PROTECTED]" , or "//@%^*|" ) in the mail from command of a qmail server, the server does not protest, as sendmail does. Postfix does the same as qmail. What

RE: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Alex Miller
Actually, Things I find objectionable: RTFM, particularly, when the issue is misunderstanding what was read, or not having the right prior knowledge, instead of when the user didn't actually read the manual. In India, confessions are prohibited in the courts because it is recognized that their

RE: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Durham, Kenneth J
Alex, As you quoted "Don't think that the behavior on this list isn't completely public, and potentially newsworthy." This is a very public mailing list and from what i remember freedom of speach is still in affect. One of the greatist things in america is that if someone does not like something

RE: autoconf?

1999-07-02 Thread Mate Wierdl
If you want build root support, I've got a patch to the qmail-1.03 distribution that adds that in. Well, does not something like DESTDIR=/okidoki make make man mkdir -p $DESTDIR/var/qmail chmod 755 $DESTDIR/var/qmail echo $DESTDIR/var/qmail conf-qmail make install make

Is Qmail MAPI 2.0 compliant?

1999-07-02 Thread Ritchie Hill
We just set up a RedHat 6.0 server to be used as a mail server in our deparment at school. Is Qmail MAPI 2.0 compliant? I am not really sure what his even is, but one of the professers is hesitant to let us dump Groupwise and switch to qmail if it isn't. Also, is there an easy way to go from

Re: info

1999-07-02 Thread Dave Sill
May sombody point me where I should send msg to unsubscribe from this list. I'm taking vacation and may mailbox will be very fast full. See: http://Web.InfoAve.Net/~dsill/lwq.html#mailing-lists -Dave

Re: Is Qmail MAPI 2.0 compliant?

1999-07-02 Thread Dave Sill
Ritchie Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We just set up a RedHat 6.0 server to be used as a mail server in our deparment at school. Is Qmail MAPI 2.0 compliant? I am not really sure what his even is, but one of the professers is hesitant to let us dump Groupwise and switch to qmail if it isn't.

RE: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Alex Miller
General Motors doesn't have a help line for people who don't know how to drive. Imagine if they did... You mean a help line like their web page? http://www.gm.com/vehicles/us/owners/partners_safety/e830.html Wouldn't the person on the help line be just a bit negligent if they failed to ask.

RE: info

1999-07-02 Thread Alex Miller
The way to unsubscribe from an ezmlm list is based on it's name. This name of this list is [EMAIL PROTECTED] (via the People's Republic of Tonga) So to unsubscribe send a blank email to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from your subscribing email address. For more about ezmlm check out

Serialmail won't run from cron

1999-07-02 Thread Eric Dahnke
Hello, I'm using serialmail-70 over a ppp link for outgoing mail on a linux box. From the ip-up scripts it runs perfectly. However, if the conection stays up, I call serialmail from a crontab on the hour. I have the path to tcpclient set as a system wide path, and call serialmail from the

Mail List Attitude

1999-07-02 Thread Kevin King
My "experience" with this list has been overall farely pleasant - despite my stupid newbie questions. People like Dave Sill have been very patient. BUT, because I'm a newbie, sometimes even when I "RTFM" things don't always click. I agree with Adam McKenna, if you ask nicely, you'll probably get

RE: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Dave Sill
"Alex Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me ask you this. If you got into an airplane, a Cessna 150, and I handed you a key, could you start it? Is the key what starts it? Should you turn it like a car key? Is there a difference between turning it left or right? Would you be an idiot if I

Re: Serialmail won't run from cron

1999-07-02 Thread Dave Sill
Eric Dahnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm using serialmail-70 over a ppp link for outgoing mail on a linux box. From the ip-up scripts it runs perfectly. However, if the conection stays up, I call serialmail from a crontab on the hour. Smells like an environment difference. I have the path to

Re: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Richard Letts
On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Scott D. Yelich wrote: Ok, so we've beaten the dead horse with the fact that MX records can't be CNAMES... so why does bind allow this? Go figure. for years bind allowed '_' in domain names. at one version they 'fixed' this and thousands of zone files around the world had

qmail-unsubscribe

1999-07-02 Thread Jhirley Fonte
Title: qmail-unsubscribe qmail-unsubscribe

Re: I get to be offline for a week!

1999-07-02 Thread Peter C. Norton
On Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 09:01:35PM -0400, Vince Vielhaber wrote: Chris, when you get that filter written would you mind sharing a copy? Unless I get a few minutes to do it myself, then I'll share. Scott, can you say **plonk** ? Maybe the freds could extend ezmlm with an rfish option?

Re: Off topic - What is GFY?

1999-07-02 Thread Vern Hart
On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, McGinnis, Tom wrote: I've tried and tried, but can't seem to figure out why "GFY" is so offensive. Obviously I haven't figured out the real meaning. "Good for you" is all I can come up with. When I first saw it, I too thought it was "Good For You" but based on

Re: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Richard Letts
On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Richard Letts wrote: for years bind allowed '_' in domain names. at one version they 'fixed' this and thousands of zone files around the world had to be fixed. Who is to say at some point in the future the server won't implement the checking. I guess bind doesn't check

Re: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Racer X
Wouldn't the person on the help line be just a bit negligent if they failed to ask. Do you have a learner's permit and are you seated next to a licensed driver over 18? No, I'm sorry, I really don't think it's GM's responsibility to make sure that everyone using their product is legally

Re: qmail/tcpserver problem

1999-07-02 Thread Scott Schwartz
| This host has more than one interface? If that's the case, you shouldn't even | need any tcprules file, assuming that you want to allow anyone on your internal | network to relay. If you're listening to port 25 only on the internal | interface, then you can remove the rcpthosts file without

Re: qmail/tcpserver problem

1999-07-02 Thread Scott Schwartz
Chris Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | If tcpserver is bound only to the internal interface of a bastion host, then | there's no danger of being used as a relay from the outside world. ...until one day someone accidently changes something, or misunderstands or misapplies that advice. Given

Re: qmail/tcpserver problem

1999-07-02 Thread Johan Van Gompel
Adam D . McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How are you starting tcpserver? Did you remember to compile your /etc/tcp.smtp into /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb using tcprules? It did everything as described in FAQ #5.4, including compiling the rules in /etc/tcp.smtp into /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb using tcprules.

RE: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Troy Morrison
Care to add to the list? I'm going to make a website on things you should know, skills you should have, before attempting to install qmail. I'll devote a special section called Why not just point people to lwq (which, no offense intended, is probably infinitely better than a resource from

RE: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Scott D. Yelich
On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Alex Miller wrote: Threats of law suits should I elaborate? rcpthosts... need I say more? ... anyway, wait until you get some idiot who wants to sue you because you are no longer an open relay. Scott

RE: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Alex Miller
Ok, as a flying newbie I can understand what you are trying to say. As someone more experienced let me just explain that in reality, flying a plane is very different than driving a car. The physical skills are similar but the standards of access are quite different. It's understandable that as

RE: Off topic - What is GFY?

1999-07-02 Thread Alex Miller
Alex assumed that the acronym stood for some sort of insult or profanity. Why? If you'll read the paragraph that I was replying to, you can tell that it was blatant flamebait. Alex proved this with his reaction. Actually Adam, I proposed making a web site In your negative response

Re: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Racer X
It's understandable that as a flying newbie, you would think that handed a set of keys, it would be "up to you" to know how to use the plane. I would? I know that planes are fairly complicated and dangerous pieces of machinery and that a pilot's license is required to fly legally in most

RE: Off topic - What is GFY?

1999-07-02 Thread Scott D. Yelich
On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Alex Miller wrote: In your negative response you wrote GFY. That was your PUBLIC response here on this list. Your PRIVATE email to me regarding making the web site was hardly "Good For You" and you know it. There are two kinds of people. Honest people and dishonest

Re: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Asmodeus
On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Racer X wrote: Installing QMail is much closer to attempting to learn to fly. The Installing qmail is nowhere near as dangerous as learning to fly. Flying requires not only knowledge of theory but a large amount of practical skill, and a lack of skill has serious

Re: Local mail Server

1999-07-02 Thread Robbie Walker
Very Easy... depending on your level of skill. If you follow the directions in the tarball exactly (read EVERYTHING first, especially the FAQ) you can do it first try. I run the same system for an ISP mail server and it works, FLAWLESSLY. Outlook Express on Win98 are no problem. You should

Re: What's the syslogd replacement called?

1999-07-02 Thread Robbie Walker
cyclog. Part of Dan's daemontools package. ftp://koobera.math.uic.edu/www/daemontools.html At 10:09 AM 7/2/99 , you wrote: There was discussion a while ago about a faster syslogd replacement (part of the qmail distribution or something separate?), could someone point me at some informaiton

Re: Howto

1999-07-02 Thread Jason Brooke
isn't that incorrect... I'm not prattling on endlessly about my ignorance. I mean, if you think trying to clarify things means that I'm ignoreant, so be it, but that's not what you said. Can we please drop this? Thanks jason

Re: qmail/tcpserver problem

1999-07-02 Thread Scott Schwartz
"Johan Van Gompel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | I mean the latter. When I add e.g. 'hotmail.com' to rcpthosts, everyone | inside the LAN is able to send messages to that host. If I don't, they get | that darn 'not found in rcpthosts' message. Let's try a simple test. Our goal is to verify that

Re: Mail List Attitude

1999-07-02 Thread ddb
Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 2 July 1999 at 21:05:09 -0400 On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Kevin King wrote: My "experience" with this list has been overall farely pleasant - despite my stupid newbie questions. People like Dave Sill have been very patient. BUT, because I'm a newbie,

Strange problem

1999-07-02 Thread Adam D . McKenna
Here's a dumb one. Can anyone tell me why this is happening? adam@spotted:~$ cat ~alias/.qmail-root adam-root adam@spotted:~$ cat ~adam/.qmail-root ./Mail/root/ I tried changing ~alias/.qmail-root to be adam-rt instead of adam-root but the same thing happens. - Forwarded message from

Re: Strange problem

1999-07-02 Thread Adam D . McKenna
OK, I figured it out (sort of). ~alias/.qmail-postmaster was forwarding to root.. When I changed it to adam-postmaster, mail to root started working again. Anyone have an idea why this happened? --Adam On Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 12:27:00AM -0400, Adam D . McKenna wrote: Here's a dumb one. Can