Re: Configuring a Store-and-Forward backup qmail server

2000-08-07 Thread pgregg

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Roten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| I'm trying to set up a redundant "store-and-forward" mail server.  

| This box will reside much farther towards our network periphery 
| than the present Exchange server we are currently using.  We will 
| set up a *secondary* MX record for it in DNS, so mail will only 
| go to it if the primary is unavailable.  If we lose a critical 
| internal network node for, say, a day or two, the intent is that 
| this box will act as a "cache" until connectivity is restored, 
| then will forward the email it has been storing to the again-
| available Exchange server.  

| I seem to have qmail running now .. thanks, again, to Greg Owen.  
| The problem now is how to set it up to *forward* mail to 
| *another* server.  Paul Gregg's Single UID Mailbox HOWTO, at 
| http://www.tibus.net/pgregg/projects/qmail/single-uid-howto.html, 
| really does not seem to be what I am looking for, since it seems 
| to require a distinct entry in /var/qmail/users/assign for each 
| individual user.  This is perfect for a situation where the 
| server is being used to manage POP-3 accounts, but the management 
| problems of this approach for a domain with, perhaps 300 to 400 
| users, whose accounts are really managed at the Exchange server, 
| are unreasonable.  

| What I need is a configuration such that *all* emails coming into 
| the foo.com domain will be stored and, once the network link to 
| the primary server is back up, will be forwarded.  There doesn't 
| seem to be any information at http://www.qmail.org/top.html about 
| how to do *that*.  

| Has anyone done something like this using qmail?  Any pointers to 
| configuration data would be much appreciated.  

There are a couple of ways to do this.  As another user suggested, store the
emails in a POP box and have a method of kicking a maildirsmtp when your
exchange comes online (usually a finger daemon will do this, I wrote my
own fingerd in perl to handle this task).

The other method, simpler, but more prone to problems if your exchange
doesn't dialup for a period of time.

Just put the domains in rcpthosts and either have a single all domains
entry or define the specific domains which must be forwarded in  the
smtproutes file.   This way, the qmail box becomes the main MX where all mail
goes first.  In smtproutes put:
domain1.com:myexchangebox.mydom.com
domain2.com:myexchangebox.mydom.com

or simply:

:myexchangebox.mydom.com
If all domains from this qmail are going to be delivered to your exchange.

Paul.

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Re: Configuring a Store-and-Forward backup qmail server

2000-08-07 Thread John White

On Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 02:53:36PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Just put the domains in rcpthosts and either have a single all domains
 entry or define the specific domains which must be forwarded in  the
 smtproutes file.   This way, the qmail box becomes the main MX where all mail
 goes first.  In smtproutes put:
 domain1.com:myexchangebox.mydom.com
 domain2.com:myexchangebox.mydom.com
 
No question about it:  I would explicitly state which domains
should be stored and forwarded in rcpthosts.

The messages thus received will bounce after queuelifetime 
(man qmail-send).

John



Re: Configuring a Store-and-Forward backup qmail server

2000-08-03 Thread James R Grinter

Charles Roten [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 What I need is a configuration such that *all* emails coming into 
 the foo.com domain will be stored and, once the network link to 
 the primary server is back up, will be forwarded.  There doesn't 
 seem to be any information at http://www.qmail.org/top.html about 
 how to do *that*.  

Easy. You just need to feed all mail for your elected domain into a
Maildir, and then use the serialmail tools when you finally want to
deliver them to the end system.

You'll need an appropriate entry in virtualdomains, the corresponding
~alias/.qmail- file, and some disk space to locate the Maildir on.

Check out the manual page for maildir2smtp. It covers it all in there.

James.



Re: Configuring a Store-and-Forward backup qmail server

2000-08-03 Thread James R Grinter

James Raftery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 If one week is too short, put the number of seconds after which messages
 should bounce in control/queuelifetime.
 
 This is standard configuration for a backup MX.

[I wibbled on about maildir2smtp]

James's advice is, of course, far more appropriate if you're going to
have the secondary MX there the whole time. You'll probably find that
you'll receive mail there quite often, even when you believe your
primary MX to have been available the whole time.

Just watch out for bringing your exchange server back online after
upgrades or crashes before you've configured it to accept your
domain's email. I've seen huge amounts of bounces for mailing lists
happen for cases like that.

James.



Re: Configuring a Store-and-Forward backup qmail server

2000-08-03 Thread David Dyer-Bennet

James R Grinter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 4 August 2000 at 00:22:25 +0100
  Charles Roten [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   What I need is a configuration such that *all* emails coming into 
   the foo.com domain will be stored and, once the network link to 
   the primary server is back up, will be forwarded.  There doesn't 
   seem to be any information at http://www.qmail.org/top.html about 
   how to do *that*.  
  
  Easy. You just need to feed all mail for your elected domain into a
  Maildir, and then use the serialmail tools when you finally want to
  deliver them to the end system.
  
  You'll need an appropriate entry in virtualdomains, the corresponding
  ~alias/.qmail- file, and some disk space to locate the Maildir on.
  
  Check out the manual page for maildir2smtp. It covers it all in there.

But do bear in mind that in "normal" operation a small percentage of
mail will end up at the secondary MX, because of remote DNS and
network outages and sheer perversity of the universe.   I was
originally going to have all the mail at the secondary held, and
trigger delivery to the primary manually (so it wouldn't catch some
intermediate state where the primary wasn't realy back up yet), but
that approach won't work because mail will sit at the secondary
without your noticing because the primary was never down.  So I now
have a process that does maildir2smtp every 10 minutes, and I hope I
remember to stop it before I start working on recovering the primary.  
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