Re: Q: qmail + IMAP
Dave Teske wrote: > > At 12:43 PM 6/14/99 , Christian Wiese wrote: > >Hi Dave. > > >Do you have a HOWTO for the Cyrus Imap configuration steps with qmail, or do > >you know some websites, where I can get additional informations. > > Not that I know of, but the docs for setting up the Cyrus server got me > through that part. Just remember when you create a user their "name" is > something like "users.Myname". As for setting up qmail to work with it the user.myname. Cyrus is a little quirky, but it's worked seamlessly for me since the day I installed it. > archives contain several solutions. I only have a few users so I just added > the following to each users .qmail: | /usr/bin/qmail/preline -f > /usr/cyrus/bin/deliver -e -a "$USER" "$USER" What if you don't give it the preline?
RE: Q: qmail + IMAP
Todd at NM Technet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > howdy, > > sorry to disappoint, but i don't have any patches to distribute on this. > most of the fixes were the result of extremely unscientific 'mucking' that > i would probably not want to distribute (for example, at one point i > deleted the mbox driver from the source tree entirely to get the Maildir > used, even though the Maildir driver was specified as higher precedence). > > even in the 'fixed' state, the behavior is still sub-optimal (each Maildir > shows up as both a folder and a folder of folders in all of the clients > i've tried--some special exclusions of 'new', 'cur', and 'tmp' would need > to be written to change this behavior. Okay. You don't have a fully working patch yet. Nooo problem. I have way too much experience patching systems that I didn't fully understand. :-) I'd still appreciate getting my hands on you work, as it would give me a starting point. I understand that you don't want to release it as a "patch" because it's really now just a "hack". But perhaps you could release it with a proviso that this is not a real solution to the problem? And if not to the list, could you send me a copy so I can try to develop a real production patch? I'd appreciate it. > as far as i can tell, this issue simply wont get fixed properly until mark > crispin (of UW) decides he can stop hating DJB long enough to formally > incorporate the Maildir driver (i really dispise technical decisions made > on personality grounds). Oh, I didn't know. That's sad. > so, in short: no patches here. just ill-conceived hacking that mostly > works but would be trouble for anyone else. > > sorry, > > > todd underwood > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, - David Harris Principal Engineer, DRH Internet Services
Re: Q: qmail + IMAP
At 12:43 PM 6/14/99 , Christian Wiese wrote: >Hi Dave. >Do you have a HOWTO for the Cyrus Imap configuration steps with qmail, or do >you know some websites, where I can get additional informations. Not that I know of, but the docs for setting up the Cyrus server got me through that part. Just remember when you create a user their "name" is something like "users.Myname". As for setting up qmail to work with it the archives contain several solutions. I only have a few users so I just added the following to each users .qmail: | /usr/bin/qmail/preline -f /usr/cyrus/bin/deliver -e -a "$USER" "$USER" >thank you very much > >christian One note of caution if you need to move messages in your existing Maildir to the Cyrus mailboxes be careful with re-injecting the messages. I got a whole bunch of people pissed at me when I accidentally sent the messages back to this list. --Dave
RE: Q: qmail + IMAP
howdy, sorry to disappoint, but i don't have any patches to distribute on this. most of the fixes were the result of extremely unscientific 'mucking' that i would probably not want to distribute (for example, at one point i deleted the mbox driver from the source tree entirely to get the Maildir used, even though the Maildir driver was specified as higher precedence). even in the 'fixed' state, the behavior is still sub-optimal (each Maildir shows up as both a folder and a folder of folders in all of the clients i've tried--some special exclusions of 'new', 'cur', and 'tmp' would need to be written to change this behavior. as far as i can tell, this issue simply wont get fixed properly until mark crispin (of UW) decides he can stop hating DJB long enough to formally incorporate the Maildir driver (i really dispise technical decisions made on personality grounds). so, in short: no patches here. just ill-conceived hacking that mostly works but would be trouble for anyone else. sorry, todd underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, Dave Teske wrote: > Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:21:56 -0400 > From: Dave Teske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: David Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, qmail-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Q: qmail + IMAP > > At 12:50 PM 6/14/99 , David Harris wrote: > > >Okay, I just looked back and read that thread (along with a few other > >threads about the same issue), and I think I now understand the root of the > >problem: sub-folders are created in Mbox format, so when the INBOX is in > >Maildir format, moving messages from the INBOX to other folders is not > >supported because of an inadequacy in the Maildir driver. Is this on target? > > Yes that's they way I understand it. > > > > From what I read, it almost looks like the problem has been fixed by "Todd > >at NM Technet". He said: > > I haven't tried or looked at the patch in question so I'll let Todd respond > to the rest of this > > > - David Harris > >Principal Engineer, DRH Internet Services > > --Dave > >
RE: Q: qmail + IMAP
At 12:50 PM 6/14/99 , David Harris wrote: >Okay, I just looked back and read that thread (along with a few other >threads about the same issue), and I think I now understand the root of the >problem: sub-folders are created in Mbox format, so when the INBOX is in >Maildir format, moving messages from the INBOX to other folders is not >supported because of an inadequacy in the Maildir driver. Is this on target? Yes that's they way I understand it. > From what I read, it almost looks like the problem has been fixed by "Todd >at NM Technet". He said: I haven't tried or looked at the patch in question so I'll let Todd respond to the rest of this > - David Harris >Principal Engineer, DRH Internet Services --Dave
RE: Q: qmail + IMAP
Dave Teske [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > That's the server I was running too. The basic problem is that the UW > server can't handle transferring messages to different types of mail boxes. > So if I have an "Inbox" that is in Maildir format and I create sub-folders > (which are created in Mailbox format) the server won't let you copy stuff > from the "inbox" to your sub-folders. If you check the archives this was > discussed sometime in the last 3-4 weeks (look for messages in the thread > "getting maildir + imap working"). > > --Dave Okay, I just looked back and read that thread (along with a few other threads about the same issue), and I think I now understand the root of the problem: sub-folders are created in Mbox format, so when the INBOX is in Maildir format, moving messages from the INBOX to other folders is not supported because of an inadequacy in the Maildir driver. Is this on target? >From what I read, it almost looks like the problem has been fixed by "Todd at NM Technet". He said: From: Todd at NM Technet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 11:16:57 -0600 Subject: Re: Getting Maildir + IMAP working [snip] > the result: the maildir driver for the UW imap server is very > rudimentary. it works extremely well for inboxes, but not well for any > other folders. i have patched it a bit to handle creating new maildirs > correclty and copying between the inbox and other folders, but it doesn't > handle other folders very elegantly yet. [snip] If all the folders are kept in Maildir format (which I rather prefer) then the function of moving messages between folders of different formats is not required. Right? However, he says that this "doesn't handle other folders very elegantly yet". What does this mean? That creation and usage of these additional Maildir folders is messy? Or that he does not like being restricted to just using Maildir folders? (Kind of weird to be asking you what he meant... so that's why I cc'ed this message to him.) Todd: Could you post a copy of this patch to the list or send it to me? This seems like a good solution - to only use Maildir folders. If Todd's patch is kind of messy, perhaps I could take another hack at implementing the same thing. - David Harris Principal Engineer, DRH Internet Services -Original Message- From: Dave Teske [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 11:57 AM To: qmail-list Subject:RE: Q: qmail + IMAP At 11:25 AM 6/14/99 , you wrote: >Humph. > >I'm about to have a co-worker patch a the qmail-imap server to support >virtual POP/IMAP users for each virtual domains using Maildirs, while still >allow the UNIX users to pick up their mail from the /var/spool/mail mbox >files. I need IMAP support, so I can't start from qmail-pop3d, but I'm >planning to start from the UW server in David Summers' qmail-imap Linux RPM >which is based on Mattias Larsson's patch to add maildir to the imap server. >(all mentioned at qmail.org) I'm looking at the qmail-imap-4.5.BETA version >of this RPM which is at: > ftp://summersoft.fay.ar.us/pub/qmail That's the server I was running too. The basic problem is that the UW server can't handle transferring messages to different types of mail boxes. So if I have an "Inbox" that is in Maildir format and I create sub-folders (which are created in Mailbox format) the server won't let you copy stuff from the "inbox" to your sub-folders. If you check the archives this was discussed sometime in the last 3-4 weeks (look for messages in the thread "getting maildir + imap working"). --Dave >You say that this software has problems with Maildirs? If so, I would help >if you could give me some descriptions of the problems that you've been >experiencing. If there is stuff that needs to be fixed, I could have this >guy go over the maildir support source code with a fine tooth comb to get >any problems out. I took a brief skim over the patch and it didn't look too >daunting. > > > - David Harris >Principal Engineer, DRH Internet Services >
Re: Q: qmail + IMAP
Hi Dave. thank you for your quick response ... Dave Teske wrote: > Here's my 2cent's > > It depends on which mail box mode your using. > Sorry, I use the Maildir format. > > -Mailbox mode - then the patched UW IMap server works fine > > -Maildir mode - The UW Imap server dosne't work well with maildirs, > particularly copying messages from the main Maildir to subfolders does not > work. I recently switched to Cyrus Imap server and it works real nice for > me (haven't had any problems yet), but it is a pain having to create both a > user in both qmail and cyrus. Do you have a HOWTO for the Cyrus Imap configuration steps with qmail, or do you know some websites, where I can get additional informations. thank you very much christian
RE: Q: qmail + IMAP
At 11:25 AM 6/14/99 , you wrote: >Humph. > >I'm about to have a co-worker patch a the qmail-imap server to support >virtual POP/IMAP users for each virtual domains using Maildirs, while still >allow the UNIX users to pick up their mail from the /var/spool/mail mbox >files. I need IMAP support, so I can't start from qmail-pop3d, but I'm >planning to start from the UW server in David Summers' qmail-imap Linux RPM >which is based on Mattias Larsson's patch to add maildir to the imap server. >(all mentioned at qmail.org) I'm looking at the qmail-imap-4.5.BETA version >of this RPM which is at: > ftp://summersoft.fay.ar.us/pub/qmail That's the server I was running too. The basic problem is that the UW server can't handle transferring messages to different types of mail boxes. So if I have an "Inbox" that is in Maildir format and I create sub-folders (which are created in Mailbox format) the server won't let you copy stuff from the "inbox" to your sub-folders. If you check the archives this was discussed sometime in the last 3-4 weeks (look for messages in the thread "getting maildir + imap working"). --Dave >You say that this software has problems with Maildirs? If so, I would help >if you could give me some descriptions of the problems that you've been >experiencing. If there is stuff that needs to be fixed, I could have this >guy go over the maildir support source code with a fine tooth comb to get >any problems out. I took a brief skim over the patch and it didn't look too >daunting. > > > - David Harris >Principal Engineer, DRH Internet Services >
Re: Q: qmail + IMAP
Here's my 2cent's It depends on which mail box mode your using. -Mailbox mode - then the patched UW IMap server works fine -Maildir mode - The UW Imap server dosne't work well with maildirs, particularly copying messages from the main Maildir to subfolders does not work. I recently switched to Cyrus Imap server and it works real nice for me (haven't had any problems yet), but it is a pain having to create both a user in both qmail and cyrus. Hope this helps --Dave At 10:52 AM 6/14/99 , Christian Wiese wrote: >hi folks, > >i've installed qmail with pop3 support without any dificults. >now I wanted to setup an IMAP server, but where should I start. >I've followed several discussions about Qmail & IMAP. >What IMAP server should I use and what additional software do I need to >add IMAP support to my Qmail server ? >Is there a "QMAIL-IMAP-HOWTO" ? > >Thank you very much > >best regards > >christian
