Re: Announcing qmail-autoresponder version 0.93
On Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 09:45:47PM +0200, wolfgang zeikat wrote: > a new co-worker mistyped 5 local email addresses in an hour ... with a > limit of 1 per hour he wouldnt have gotten a message back. So limit it to 5 per hour. Or educate your employees. -- Bruce Guenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://em.ca/~bruceg/ PGP signature
Re: Announcing qmail-autoresponder version 0.93
Also sprach Olivier M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 07.08.2000: >i achieved by using the head command) >and what about attachments ? head could cut one in the middle... it does cut them off, thus my autoreply says: --- Below this line is a copy of the message. (Note that this copy has been truncated to 50 KB.) by the way, please dont send me private copies of your mails to this list ;) thanks wolfgang
Re: Announcing qmail-autoresponder version 0.93
On Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 09:45:47PM +0200, wolfgang zeikat wrote: > Also sprach Bruce Guenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 07.08.2000: > > > - is it possible to include only like the first 50 KB of the > original > > message? > I'll add that feature. > great (i achieved by using the head command) and what about attachments ? head could cut one in the middle... > a new co-worker mistyped 5 local email addresses in an hour ... with a > limit of 1 per hour he wouldnt have gotten a message back. translating the qmail-error messages would really be the best solution IMHO, but well, TAMDWTDI :) Olivier -- _ Olivier Mueller - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - PGPkeyID: 0E84D2EA - Switzerland
Re: Announcing qmail-autoresponder version 0.93
Also sprach Bruce Guenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 07.08.2000: > - is it possible to include only like the first 50 KB of the original > message? I'll add that feature. great (i achieved by using the head command) > - is it possible to exclude local users from the message limit of 1 per > hour? Exclude them meaning they wouldn't get any responses, or they would not be rate limited? What would this accomplish? a new co-worker mistyped 5 local email addresses in an hour ... with a limit of 1 per hour he wouldnt have gotten a message back. wolfgang
Re: Announcing qmail-autoresponder version 0.93
On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 04:46:12PM +0200, wolfgang zeikat wrote: > i use qmail-autoresponder in .qmail-default to send a message back to > senders who send to invalid users on our server. > now i would like to know a few things: > - is it possible to include only like the first 50 KB of the original > message? so that for example bigger attachments would simply get truncated > to that size? I'll add that feature. > - is it possible to exclude local users from the message limit of 1 per > hour? Exclude them meaning they wouldn't get any responses, or they would not be rate limited? What would this accomplish? -- Bruce Guenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://em.ca/~bruceg/ PGP signature
Re: Announcing qmail-autoresponder version 0.93
On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 05:45:24PM +0200, wolfgang zeikat wrote: > the subject sure is good to have in the response, > but i think of people who spend some time typing their mail, > mistype the address, send without keeping a copy ... > and have to retype it all in order to resend (remember? :) > > the included copy would allow them to just copy/paste from the autoreply > .. > > and since qmail-autoresponder has the -c option to include a copy of the > original message that size restriction came to my mind ... so you wouldnt > send them their entire holiday.jpg or whatever back but just the original > text message which (i think) hardly ever is bigger than 50 K. ---end quoted text--- yes, but then there's also the problem of when someone sends a message with an attachment on it, then they get the bounce that has what looks like the whole message and attachment on it, then they just forward the bounce message including the partial attachment on to whoever was really supposed to recieve the message. one thought is to put the whole message in the bounce to local users, and then filter the message through a program that will remove any attachments from it for bounces to remote users? -- Brian Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Some people have told me they don't think a fat penguin really embodies the grace of Linux, which just tells me they have never seen a angry penguin charging at them in excess of 100mph. They'd be a lot more careful about what they say if they had. -- Linus Torvalds
Re: Announcing qmail-autoresponder version 0.93
well, i have decided to truncate the bounced message, and i simply added |head -c 50k >> /var/tmp/no-mailbox.txt to that .qmail-default, where /var/tmp/no-mailbox.txt is a temporary file that qmail-autoresponder finally uses for the message to the sender. wolfgang
Re: Announcing qmail-autoresponder version 0.93
wolfgang zeikat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 5 August 2000 at 18:52:41 +0200 > Also sprach David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05.08.2000: > So if you want to do your own bounce with your own > message, *please* take the trouble to do it in a common enough > bounce format that most tools that handle bounces will be able to > figure it > out. > > what would be such a format? > "Returned Mail: User unknown" in the subject? or a MAILER-DAEMON > Return-Path? > i hadnt thought about bounce handling tools yet, but rather about our > mostly german users here who tend to ignore automated bounces as "some > english error message i dont understand or dont care to understand" anyway. Unfortunately I can't point you at a reliable recipe for "what works". This is at least partly because the official standard (latest) format is rarely used or supported, and everything else is ad-hoc. The qmail format is documented, and I think there's room to add additional text in another language without breaking it, so that might be a relatively easy way to proceed. Or take advice from somebody more knowledgable then me, there me be some good compendiums about "what works" somewhere. The qmail format is called QSBMF, and is documented at http://cr.yp.to/proto/qsbmf.txt . This file may also go along with the qmail distribution. > I do see not wanting to bounce 10 meg files; but how often does it > happen, really? > > not very often. i had it happen with 90 meg tho, so i got careful here. Is this that smaller / more expensive European bandwidth thing? A 90 meg bounce going out of here would tie up some of the outgoing bandwidth for a few hours (or less, if end-to-end throughput was higher), but I doubt I'd even notice the slowdown; the things I notice use up *incoming* rather than *outgoing* bandwidth. And this is the connectivity to the basement of my home, not a commercial location. I'd actually be inclined to set an *incoming* limit on what I was willing to handle, and then be willing to bounce the whole thing if necessary. -- Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon Bookworms: http://ouroboros.demesne.com/ SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Announcing qmail-autoresponder version 0.93
Also sprach David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05.08.2000: So if you want to do your own bounce with your own message, *please* take the trouble to do it in a common enough bounce format that most tools that handle bounces will be able to figure it out. what would be such a format? "Returned Mail: User unknown" in the subject? or a MAILER-DAEMON Return-Path? i hadnt thought about bounce handling tools yet, but rather about our mostly german users here who tend to ignore automated bounces as "some english error message i dont understand or dont care to understand" anyway. I may even have lost the original files that were attached by the time I see the bounce. i see that point Furthermore, I may not realize that you've truncated the body, if it goes past the first few screens intact. good point, this could be indicated in the bounce tho. I do see not wanting to bounce 10 meg files; but how often does it happen, really? not very often. i had it happen with 90 meg tho, so i got careful here. wolfgang
Re: Announcing qmail-autoresponder version 0.93
Olivier M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 5 August 2000 at 17:20:52 +0200 > On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 04:46:12PM +0200, wolfgang zeikat wrote: > > i use qmail-autoresponder in .qmail-default to send a message back to > > senders who send to invalid users on our server. > > hey, nice idea :) looks better than the standard qmail error message... Okay, but be careful here; a qmail bounce can be recognized as a bounce, and thus automatically resent, etc. by the tools I use for mail-reading (emacs VM). If you make up your own bounce format, you may well end up taking away a lot of the sender's tools for handling your bounce. So if you want to do your own bounce with your own message, *please* take the trouble to do it in a common enough bounce format that most tools that handle bounces will be able to figure it out. Truncating the message causes related problems. If I accidentally mistype an address, and send some stuff, and it bounces, I can often recognize the typo in the address and resend it very easily (M-r, edit address, send). If you've truncated the message, I lose this ability. I may even have lost the original files that were attached by the time I see the bounce. Furthermore, I may not realize that you've truncated the body, if it goes past the first few screens intact. I do see not wanting to bounce 10 meg files; but how often does it happen, really? -- Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon Bookworms: http://ouroboros.demesne.com/ SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Announcing qmail-autoresponder version 0.93
Also sprach Olivier M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05.08.2000: Isn't the subject (%S) enough ? the subject sure is good to have in the response, but i think of people who spend some time typing their mail, mistype the address, send without keeping a copy ... and have to retype it all in order to resend (remember? :) the included copy would allow them to just copy/paste from the autoreply .. and since qmail-autoresponder has the -c option to include a copy of the original message that size restriction came to my mind ... so you wouldnt send them their entire holiday.jpg or whatever back but just the original text message which (i think) hardly ever is bigger than 50 K. wolfgang
Re: Announcing qmail-autoresponder version 0.93
On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 04:46:12PM +0200, wolfgang zeikat wrote: > i use qmail-autoresponder in .qmail-default to send a message back to > senders who send to invalid users on our server. hey, nice idea :) looks better than the standard qmail error message... > now i would like to know a few things: > - is it possible to include only like the first 50 KB of the original > message? so that for example bigger attachments would simply get truncated > to that size? Isn't the subject (%S) enough ? Parsing the attachment wouldn't probably a very easy thing (well, ezmlm can do it, but it's _bigger_ than qmail-autoresponder). > - is it possible to exclude local users from the message limit of 1 per > hour? by including a test in your .qmail-default file, probably yes. if (localuser) qmail-autoresponder -n ... else qmail-autoresponder -n 1 (to be converted to shell script...) Olivier -- _ Olivier Mueller - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - PGPkeyID: 0E84D2EA - Switzerland
Re: Announcing qmail-autoresponder version 0.93
i use qmail-autoresponder in .qmail-default to send a message back to senders who send to invalid users on our server. now i would like to know a few things: - is it possible to include only like the first 50 KB of the original message? so that for example bigger attachments would simply get truncated to that size? - is it possible to exclude local users from the message limit of 1 per hour? wolfgang
