Re: why does Hotmail put Qmail emails to Junk Mail?

2001-08-13 Thread CD Baby

Sorry - I forwarded one I sent to my Hushmail account, because Hotmail 
doesn't let you see the full and complete headers.

So - YES - email sent to my hotmail account had the exact address in the 
To: header.  It wasn't CC:'d or anything - it was a unique email sent.

So . . . maybe Hotmail is doing some kinda reverse lookup? (though my 
Qmail-SMTP box has its own reversed domain  IP... fully legit.)

I thought maybe it was something else in the headers - because when I use 
that Qmail SMTP server with Eudora things go through fine.

Again - I'll put the headers below if anyone might have any insight?


  Does anyone know why Hotmail would put any of my Qmail-sent emails into the
  Junk Mail folder automatically?
 
  How do they determine what's junk mail?   Or - rather - how do I prove to
  them this is not junk mail?

To my knowledge, their only criteria is whether the recipient address
appears in the To: or cc: headers.  If it doesn't (mailing list mail,
bcc'd mail), it's junk mail.

  To : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   From : [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The hotmail address doesn't appear in the To: header -- ergo, it's junk mail.




Here are my Qmail headers (when sent to hushmail - which can show you full 
headers.)

---

Return-Path : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Sieve : cmu-sieve 2.0
Return-Path : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received : from smtp1.hushmail.com (smtp1.hushmail.com [64.40.111.31])
by imap1.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB615F02C7
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 
11:27:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received : from mail.hitmedia.com (unknown [65.169.21.164])
by smtp1.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D9881378B
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:24:36 -0700 (PDT)
Received : (qmail 17552 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2001 18:25:50 -
Received : from unknown (HELO qmail.hitmedia.com) (65.169.21.163)
   by 65.169.21.164 with SMTP; 13 Aug 2001 18:25:50 -
To : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject : Testing this little mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-Id : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date : Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:24:36 -0700 (PDT)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] -

Hey - how are you?

Just testing this thing.





Re: why does Hotmail put Qmail emails to Junk Mail?

2001-08-13 Thread Henning Brauer

On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 02:20:54PM -0700, CD Baby wrote:
 Return-Path : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From : [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This _may_ be the reason. I'm not sure, though. Try using qmail-inject's -f
options to set the envelope sender.

-- 
* Henning Brauer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.bsws.de *
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(Dennis Ritchie)



Re: why does Hotmail put Qmail emails to Junk Mail?

2001-08-13 Thread CD Baby


  Return-Path : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  From : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This _may_ be the reason.


That was it!
It was the headers.
They need to have an X-Sender, X-Mailer, RFC 822 formatted date, and 
Return-Path, or Hotmail puts it in the Junk Mail folder automatically.

Thanks Henning  everyone who helped.