As clever as I was running `sudo -H -u vpopmail sa-learn --sync` somehow my 
bayes_tok and bayes_journal files continue to be changed to root ownership. I 
will continue to try to find why this is. But for this and other reasons I am 
exploring the bayes SQL option. 

I came across this in the ANNOUNCE: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 available! email:

"SQL storage is now recommended for Bayes, instead of DB_File."

<http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/spamassassin-announce/200509.mbox/[EMAIL
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I just wanted to wanted to mention this because I know on the SA wiki it says 
something about bayes SQL being in "beta" but that is apparently nonsense.

The bayes SQL engine can do per-user bayes data (which is more accurate) which 
I am very interested in.

I've also been using simscan's "spamc user" setting turned on with SA SQL 
per-user preferences. That works great...although I haven't found a fantastic 
web-based control panel yet. The limitation of multiple rcpts bypassing any 
user preferences seems to be occurring for about 11% of all emails:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0 ~]$egrep 'user=[^,]+@' spamd/current | wc -l
100533
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/0 ~]$egrep 'user=clamav' spamd/current | wc -l
11154


We might explore these SQL options with spamassassin and consider the viability 
of having the toaster use them by default.

Quinn  

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