Re: [qmailtoaster] Development version

2019-01-27 Thread Andrew Swartz
Eric, I use port 465/TLS for submission, so I agree completely with you. But I think the discussion was regarding using port 587/STARTTLS. In that setting, STARTTLS is vulnerable to a downgrade attack which tricks the conversation to authenticating without the STARTTLS encryption. So if

Re: [qmailtoaster] Development version

2019-01-27 Thread Eric Broch
The password encryption is inside an encrypted tunnel. IMHO opinion it's really quite useless. On 1/27/2019 8:16 PM, Andrew Swartz wrote: Ahhh... that's right. But then the next question is should one use cram-md5?  I believe it is currently considered insecure. I just found this link

Re: [qmailtoaster] Development version

2019-01-27 Thread Andrew Swartz
Ahhh... that's right. But then the next question is should one use cram-md5? I believe it is currently considered insecure. I just found this link which explains the qmail SMTPAUTH options: https://www.fehcom.de/qmail/smtpauth.html##SETUP Unless there is a newer patch, it looks like

Re: [qmailtoaster] Development version

2019-01-27 Thread Philip Nix Guru
Hello Andy it is indeed a parameter you set in the env variable in the run file (in my case I set it up in the submission run file) cat /var/qmail/supervise/submission/run #!/bin/sh QMAILDUID=`id -u vpopmail` NOFILESGID=`id -g vpopmail` MAXSMTPD=`cat /var/qmail/control/concurrencyincoming`

Re: [qmailtoaster] Development version

2019-01-25 Thread Philip Nix Guru
I tested with Thunderbird (where the account was working fine with stable version and encrypted password on starttls) and the message came up after the upgrade to change to normal password. When lamba users will get that message they ll just panic and wont know what to do. I still need to

Re: [qmailtoaster] Development version

2019-01-25 Thread Tommi Järvilehto
Was there a problem with Outlook and encrypted passwords? Or the password cache? On 25.1.2019 11:43, Philip Nix Guru wrote: Hello Yes that's one of the reason I was wondering why encrypted password was no longer supported for STARTTLS in the lastest dev version Regards -P On 1/25/19 8:56

Re: [qmailtoaster] Development version

2019-01-25 Thread Philip Nix Guru
Hello Yes that's one of the reason I was wondering why encrypted password was no longer supported for STARTTLS in the lastest dev version Regards -P On 1/25/19 8:56 AM, Andrew Swartz wrote: I would add the caveat that STARTTLS is only "probably safe". Unfortunately, it suffers from a

Re: [qmailtoaster] Development version

2019-01-24 Thread Andrew Swartz
I would add the caveat that STARTTLS is only "probably safe". Unfortunately, it suffers from a critical error in the very concept of going from an plaintext session to a TLS session, resulting in an unfixable (as far as I know) vulnerability. A man-in-the-middle can inject text into the

Re: [qmailtoaster] Development version

2019-01-24 Thread Eric Broch
The password is not encrypted (Normal) but is sent over an encrypted connection, it's safe. On 1/24/2019 5:39 PM, Philip Nix Guru wrote: Hello I was testing the dev version (an upgrade over the stable version) and came through that annoying problem if I have to advise all users to change