Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Opera support

2010-12-30 Thread Alexei Vinidiktov 
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Tino Butz  wrote:

> Hi Derrell,
>
> Thanks for your suggestion.
>
> Currently we have only 13 open Bugs for Opera (4 of them are reminder
> bugs):
>
>
> http://bugzilla.qooxdoo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&rep_platform=Opera&rep_platform=Opera%209&rep_platform=Opera%209.5&rep_platform=Opera%209.6&rep_platform=Opera%2010&rep_platform=Opera%2010.50&rep_platform=Opera%2010.60&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED
>
> Most time we get the bug reports directly by mail or internal, that's why
> there are so much opened bugs by the core members.
>
> Our efforts to support Opera have several reasons:
>
> 1. qooxdoo is supposed to be a cross browser framework - that is why we
> will always try to support all major browser. "Unfortunately" a lot of
> companies, that earn money with qooxdoo based products, see Opera as one of
> them (2.4% of 25 million costumers is still a lot).
> 2. Opera is (exclusive) present on many devices (Wii, Nintendo DSi, mobile
> devices)
> 3. Opera is getting better and better. The speed of the JavaScript engine
> is always increasing. In my opinion a great browser, worse supporting.
>
> Nevertheless, be assured that we only spent so much time for Opera as it is
> worse it.
>
>
>
Please, please continue supporting Opera. Opera is huge here in Russia.
About 36% share on the desktop, and 43% in Ukraine.



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Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Opera support

2010-12-30 Thread Tino Butz 
Ok, you were faster than my reply with the correction. I hope you got me right 
:)

Just checked the bug reports and you are right, we have fixed 15 bugs in opera 
in the last 4 month.

http://bugzilla.qooxdoo.org/buglist.cgi?chfieldto=Now&query_format=advanced&rep_platform=Opera&rep_platform=Opera%209&rep_platform=Opera%209.5&rep_platform=Opera%209.6&rep_platform=Opera%2010&rep_platform=Opera%2010.50&rep_platform=Opera%2010.60&chfieldfrom=2010-08-01&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED

Looking into the bugs most of them were minor bug fixes, plus some fixes for 
demos and tests. Seems like normal maintenance work to me.

Looking forward for the community opinion on this discussion.

Best regards,
Tino



Am 30.12.2010 um 16:45 schrieb Derrell Lipman:

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:36, Tino Butz 
mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Derrell,

Thanks for your suggestion.

Currently we have only 13 open Bugs for Opera (4 of them are reminder bugs):

http://bugzilla.qooxdoo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&rep_platform=Opera&rep_platform=Opera%209&rep_platform=Opera%209.5&rep_platform=Opera%209.6&rep_platform=Opera%2010&rep_platform=Opera%2010.50&rep_platform=Opera%2010.60&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED

Most time we get the bug reports directly by mail or internal, that's why there 
are so much opened bugs by the core members.

Our efforts to support Opera have several reasons:

1. qooxdoo is supposed to be a cross browser framework - that is why we will 
always try to support all major browser. "Unfortunately" a lot of companies, 
that earn money with qooxdoo based products, see Opera as one of them (2.4% of 
25 million costumers is still a lot).
2. Opera is (exclusive) present on many devices (Wii, Nintendo DSi, mobile 
devices)
3. Opera is getting better and better. The speed of the JavaScript engine is 
always increasing. In my opinion a great browser, worse supporting.

Nevertheless, be assured that we only spent so much time for Opera as it is 
worse it.

Ok. Since I look (or at least glance) at every bug report, every commit, and 
every message to the developer mailing list, I tend to get the big picture of 
what's going on with the project. It "seems" like an inordinate or 
inappropriate amount of time has been spent recently on Opera, so I thought it 
worth bringing up for consideration. It sounds like you do have some reason for 
supporting it. I'm not sure I'd agree with your justification since (100 - 
2.4)% of 25 million customers is a much larger number than that 2.4% of 25 
million, and therefore worthy of a much greater amount of devoted time, but I 
guess you're thinking about that and managing the time spent on it.

Happy new year!

Happy New Year to you and the rest of the core team!

Derrell




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Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Opera support

2010-12-30 Thread Tino Butz 
Just for clarification : I have accidentally written "worse", but i meant 
"worth" - this just does not make any sense ;) corrected it in this reply.

Am 30.12.2010 um 16:36 schrieb Tino Butz:

Hi Derrell,

Thanks for your suggestion.

Currently we have only 13 open Bugs for Opera (4 of them are reminder bugs):

http://bugzilla.qooxdoo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&rep_platform=Opera&rep_platform=Opera%209&rep_platform=Opera%209.5&rep_platform=Opera%209.6&rep_platform=Opera%2010&rep_platform=Opera%2010.50&rep_platform=Opera%2010.60&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED

Most time we get the bug reports directly by mail or internal, that's why there 
are so much opened bugs by the core members.

Our efforts to support Opera have several reasons:

1. qooxdoo is supposed to be a cross browser framework - that is why we will 
always try to support all major browser. "Unfortunately" a lot of companies, 
that earn money with qooxdoo based products, see Opera as one of them (2.4% of 
25 million costumers is still a lot).
2. Opera is (exclusive) present on many devices (Wii, Nintendo DSi, mobile 
devices)
3. Opera is getting better and better. The speed of the JavaScript engine is 
always increasing. In my opinion a great browser, worth supporting.

Nevertheless, be assured that we only spent so much time for Opera as it is 
worth it.

Happy new year!

Tino





Am 30.12.2010 um 15:59 schrieb Derrell Lipman:

I've noticed a significant effort being spent on handling support for Opera. 
Furthermore, looking at the last 50 or so new bugs pertaining to Opera, they 
were almost all reported by members of the core team, not be people out in the 
field demanding use of Opera. As can be seen here 
(http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2#) Opera10 
holds less than 2% of the browser market share, and that share is remaining 
fairly constant, not growing 
(http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=3&qpcustom=Opera+10.x)

Is there some reason that significant time should be spent ensuring that this 
rather little-used browser is supported by qooxdoo? It would seem that the time 
would be much better spent working on bug fixes and enhancements that would 
provide more benefit for more people...???

Thanks,

Derrell



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Tino Butz
Mobile Architect

1&1 Internet AG - Web Technologies
Ernst-Frey-Straße 9 · DE-76135 Karlsruhe
Telefon: +49 721 91374-4488
[email protected]

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Vorstände: Henning Ahlert, Ralph Dommermuth, Matthias Ehrlich, Thomas 
Gottschlich, Robert Hoffmann, Markus Huhn, Hans-Henning Kettler, Dr. Oliver 
Mauss, Jan Oetjen
Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Michael Scheeren

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Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Opera support

2010-12-30 Thread Derrell Lipman 
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:36, Tino Butz  wrote:

> Hi Derrell,
>
> Thanks for your suggestion.
>
> Currently we have only 13 open Bugs for Opera (4 of them are reminder
> bugs):
>
>
> http://bugzilla.qooxdoo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&rep_platform=Opera&rep_platform=Opera%209&rep_platform=Opera%209.5&rep_platform=Opera%209.6&rep_platform=Opera%2010&rep_platform=Opera%2010.50&rep_platform=Opera%2010.60&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED
>
> Most time we get the bug reports directly by mail or internal, that's why
> there are so much opened bugs by the core members.
>
> Our efforts to support Opera have several reasons:
>
> 1. qooxdoo is supposed to be a cross browser framework - that is why we
> will always try to support all major browser. "Unfortunately" a lot of
> companies, that earn money with qooxdoo based products, see Opera as one of
> them (2.4% of 25 million costumers is still a lot).
> 2. Opera is (exclusive) present on many devices (Wii, Nintendo DSi, mobile
> devices)
> 3. Opera is getting better and better. The speed of the JavaScript engine
> is always increasing. In my opinion a great browser, worse supporting.
>
> Nevertheless, be assured that we only spent so much time for Opera as it is
> worse it.
>

Ok. Since I look (or at least glance) at every bug report, every commit, and
every message to the developer mailing list, I tend to get the big picture
of what's going on with the project. It "seems" like an inordinate or
inappropriate amount of time has been spent recently on Opera, so I thought
it worth bringing up for consideration. It sounds like you do have some
reason for supporting it. I'm not sure I'd agree with your justification
since (100 - 2.4)% of 25 million customers is a much larger number than that
2.4% of 25 million, and therefore worthy of a much greater amount of devoted
time, but I guess you're thinking about that and managing the time spent on
it.


> Happy new year!
>

Happy New Year to you and the rest of the core team!

Derrell
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Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Opera support

2010-12-30 Thread Tino Butz 
Hi Derrell,

Thanks for your suggestion.

Currently we have only 13 open Bugs for Opera (4 of them are reminder bugs):

http://bugzilla.qooxdoo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&rep_platform=Opera&rep_platform=Opera%209&rep_platform=Opera%209.5&rep_platform=Opera%209.6&rep_platform=Opera%2010&rep_platform=Opera%2010.50&rep_platform=Opera%2010.60&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED

Most time we get the bug reports directly by mail or internal, that's why there 
are so much opened bugs by the core members.

Our efforts to support Opera have several reasons:

1. qooxdoo is supposed to be a cross browser framework - that is why we will 
always try to support all major browser. "Unfortunately" a lot of companies, 
that earn money with qooxdoo based products, see Opera as one of them (2.4% of 
25 million costumers is still a lot).
2. Opera is (exclusive) present on many devices (Wii, Nintendo DSi, mobile 
devices)
3. Opera is getting better and better. The speed of the JavaScript engine is 
always increasing. In my opinion a great browser, worse supporting.

Nevertheless, be assured that we only spent so much time for Opera as it is 
worse it.

Happy new year!

Tino





Am 30.12.2010 um 15:59 schrieb Derrell Lipman:

I've noticed a significant effort being spent on handling support for Opera. 
Furthermore, looking at the last 50 or so new bugs pertaining to Opera, they 
were almost all reported by members of the core team, not be people out in the 
field demanding use of Opera. As can be seen here 
(http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2#) Opera10 
holds less than 2% of the browser market share, and that share is remaining 
fairly constant, not growing 
(http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=3&qpcustom=Opera+10.x)

Is there some reason that significant time should be spent ensuring that this 
rather little-used browser is supported by qooxdoo? It would seem that the time 
would be much better spent working on bug fixes and enhancements that would 
provide more benefit for more people...???

Thanks,

Derrell



Tino Butz
Mobile Architect

1&1 Internet AG - Web Technologies
Ernst-Frey-Straße 9 · DE-76135 Karlsruhe
Telefon: +49 721 91374-4488
[email protected]

Amtsgericht Montabaur / HRB 6484
Vorstände: Henning Ahlert, Ralph Dommermuth, Matthias Ehrlich, Thomas 
Gottschlich, Robert Hoffmann, Markus Huhn, Hans-Henning Kettler, Dr. Oliver 
Mauss, Jan Oetjen
Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Michael Scheeren

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[qooxdoo-devel] Opera support

2010-12-30 Thread Derrell Lipman 
I've noticed a significant effort being spent on handling support for Opera.
Furthermore, looking at the last 50 or so new bugs pertaining to Opera, they
were almost all reported by members of the core team, not be people out in
the field demanding use of Opera. As can be seen here (
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2#) Opera10
holds less than 2% of the browser market share, and that share is remaining
fairly constant, not growing (
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=3&qpcustom=Opera+10.x)

Is there some reason that significant time should be spent ensuring that
this rather little-used browser is supported by qooxdoo? It would seem that
the time would be much better spent working on bug fixes and enhancements
that would provide more benefit for more people...???

Thanks,

Derrell
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[qooxdoo-devel] Opera Support

2006-05-03 Thread bitter lemon 
Hi!

I've a question about qooxdoo supporting Opera. When I try the various 
test-pages, quite a few are not working in Opera.
In another thread I found the following statement:
"The current Renderer build doesn't seem to like Opera (either that or the way 
I've got Qooxdoo set up on our development machines is off)"

Is this already the answer to my question or are there some parts which will 
definitely not work with opera?
If everything will be supported, when will the test-pages be fixed (especially 
the debug-console ;)?

Thank you very much for you support

Best regards
phil
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