Re: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

[David K. Kelmer]

Hi Stunt,

I do try to read the ''big city'' papersalong with my home town paper. Our hometown paper is owned by Scripps Howard News Service but is published by the Times Record News Staff of Wichita Falls.

I couldn't agree with you anymore about historical sites.I've contributedto the Wichita County Heritage Society in their 6.2 million dollarrestoration of the historical downtownHolt Hotel here in Wichita Falls.
http://www.timesrecordnews.com/trn/local_news/article/0,1891,TRN_5784_3953569,00.html 

It appears as though Mr. Eastwood alsoagrees with us. 

"I totally support the ADA laws. I think people not in complianceshould get into compliance," Eastwood said in a telephoneinterview Wednesday. But he added, "I think there should be abetter way to get people in compliance."http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36340


What Mr. Eastwood does have is a problem with are the lawyers filing suits under the ADA. "It's a racket", opines Eastwood. "The typical thing is to get someone who is disabled in collusion with sleazebag lawyers, and they file suits." Eastwood told the WSJ he isn't quarreling with the ADA itself, and the proposed legislation would affect only future cases and not the one against him; but "I just think for the benefit of everybody, they should cut out this racket because these are morally corrupt people who are doing this."(Jim VandeHei, "Clint Eastwood Saddles Up for Disability-Act Showdown", Wall Street Journal, May 9 -- online subscribers only). http://overlawyered.com/archives/00may2.html#000518b 


Here, I believe, both you and Iagree with Mr.Eastwood. Thousands of businesses have been hit with charges that their facilities are out of compliance with the ADA; most of the complaints can be traced to a small network of activists linked to lawyers who obtain legal fees typically in the thousands of dollars from defendants eager to settle.These suits weaken theability of any legitimate ADA lawsuits that do need to be addressed. It is the way in which this problem should be resolved the the disagreement seems to play out. One side see this as "a direct attack on the civil right of 56 million," the other side see itdifferently. "We say; if there are problems with lawyers and their ethical practices, don't fix the problems by eroding the civil rights of people with disabilities!"

"This proposed amendment is a direct attack on the civil rights of 56 million Americans with disabilities and must be stopped," said the National Council on Independent Living (NCIL) in a March 30 press release. "We say; if there are problems with lawyers and their ethical practices, don't fix the problems by eroding the civil rights of people with disabilities!" 
As HR 3690, the bill died quietly last year in spite of a great deal of attention given to it by the actor/director Clint Eastwood and, therefore, the mainstream media. In May, Eastwood testified before a U.S. House Judiciary Committee's Constitutional Subcommittee in support of ADA Notification. At that time, he was being sued by a woman who claimed that Eastwood's Mission Ranch Hotel in Carmel, California was not accessible to people who use wheelchairs. A jury in October determined that Eastwood was liable for three accessibility violations, but did not order him to pay damages. http://www.inclusiondaily.com/news/access/notification.htm#040401

Eastwood Found Liable For Not Providing AccessBy Dave Reynolds, Inclusion Daily ExpressOctober 2, 2000SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA--On Friday, a jury decided that Clint Eastwood was liable for three violations regarding access at his Mission Ranch Inn, but did not order the actor/director to pay any damages to the woman who had sued him. 
After four hours of deliberations, the jury announced the verdict, in which it found that Eastwood's resort should provide a ramp to the registration office, a second accessible guest room and signs about the accessible restrooms -- which are 234 feet away. Eastwood said those changes are already "in the works".http://www.inclusiondaily.com/news/access/notification.htm#100200 


Under the ADA, disabled plaintiffs cannot recover damages when they file lawsuits to force businesses to comply with the law,but their attorneys can collect legal fees, so it is the lawyers making the money.Are ALL lawsuits filed against businesses bad or wrong?The more I've thought about it, the more I'm persuaded that businesses should have an opportunity to fix any accessibility problems before they're sued for noncompliance. Yes, businesspeople should learn more about the ADA before they condemn it. But the fact is, many lawyers are abusing the act, and that not only weakens the ADA, it casts those of us with disabilities as being for the ADA forreasons more than equal rights. IMHO, the truth lies somewhere between the two sides. I think the 'article' below states my feelings pretty good. I hopeeveryone will take the time to!
  read the
 entire text of both of John M. Williams articles 

Re: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

[David K. Kelmer]

Hi Stunt,

I don't like to be used by others for them to make money, either. The site I gave lists lawsuits filed, so if Mr. Moore settled before the suit was actually filed, it wouldn't be listed.

As far a any lawsuit being filed against Mr. Eastwood just because he has money, the outcome of any lawsuit is determined on its merits. That's the way our legal system works. It may not be perfect, but it is better than most people on the earth live under. 

I do understand that while Google doesn't retrieve everything, but do a quick check and you'll find the sites run as much against Mr. Moore's movie as forit. I think a fair reading would give both sides of the issues you say the media ignores. I'm not a tabloid reader so I'll take your word on their coverage, but both sides of the issue are in print. 

If I am not allowed to visit a resort for the simple reason that I don't live in the community it is in, that is wrong. Either AB or a person with a wheelchair should have that right. If I am not able to get into a court room or Federal building, then they are doing the same wrong. But two wrongs don't make it right. Change must be made across the board. In the 'Left' and in the 'Right.' To stand against change for what is right,is wrong for both sides, AND the middle! 

IMHO --If we as a Country are not moving forward, we are moving in the wrong direction, and all the effort that you and your fellow Veterans give to this Country would be lost. I pray thatnever happens.

With Love,
CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA Your Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Moore settled that one out of court very quickly. It is difficult to find any mention of it (due to extreme limited coverage) and having changed my HD, I no longer have the org link. But it was to a Colorado newspaper (local story) with a headline something like; "Local victim from Columbine sueing Film Maker of Bowling for Columbine" (to the best of my recollection).Google doesn't retrieve everything, and while I can recall the gist of the name of the article it has been a while (when the movie first released).The person who wrote what you're calling an article, wrote an opinion piece. To give it any more legitimacy would be a mistake. If anyone has a vandetta, the writer should look into a mirror. As far as my leftist media reference, I was talking about all the tabloids that fawn over the meathead moores of the world,!
  and not
 holding them to the same standards as those they crucify whom they don't agree with. The Acadamey has shamed itself for calling Bowling for Columbine a Documentory and the honoring it as the worlds best for that year. And where was the leftist press??? Honoring him instead of exposing him as a fraud.As for Eastwoods desire to maintain the style of his resturaunt... do you think it is highly likely that he was targeted just because he is a celeberity and somebody smelled money?Personaly I find that offensive.To try to tie it to his motive for making the movie is also offensive.You see, I don't like being used.IMHO there are too many lawyers making themselves rich using us.And we have more important issues than forcing someone who doesn't even have a quad living in his small community to meet ADA standards when many of our courts and Federal buildings have that same fault.Sometimes a molehill isn't important.!
 And
 no, this wasn't about endorseing Eastwood, my opinion was towards the motivation and conclusion of the writer.IMHO BS is BS and it doesn't do any org good to spread it.Instead of accusations w/o merit, a simple critique would have sufficed.We need allies not enemies.Personally I liked the movie and if I'd suffered that high an injury, a friend who came to visit me 2 mo into rehab would have been asked to keep his promise made when I first became a stuntman.Stunt Hi Stunt,  When you say this is an "opinion," if you're referring to the term "Vendetta" used in the title of the article, then I agree, that is an opinion. Mr. Eastwood's legal issues with the State of CA is a matter of public record. -- http://thor.prohosting.com/stunttnt/http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/

Re: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

[David K. Kelmer]

Hi Stunt,

When you say this is an "opinion," if you're referring to the term "Vendetta" used in the title of the article, then I agree, that is an opinion. Mr. Eastwood's legal issues with the State of CA is a matter of publicrecord.As for the outcry from the media, left or right, about Mr. Moore, I did a Google search on bothEastwood and Moore, with 1,660,000hitsfor Eastwood and 16,700,000 hits for Moore. I didn't take the time to check if a hit was from the left or the right, but over 10 million morehitsfor Mooresounds to me as there wassome kind of cry about him. The only mention I found about Mr. Moore being sued overany movie,and I've already said I didn't check-out every hit,are these twofrom FILM LAWSUITS IN THE NEWS. http://www.indieclear.com/film_lawsuits.htm

Michael Moore sued over anti-gun movie


Associated Press
Wednesday, October 29, 2003
Detroit — James Nichols, the brother of Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols, says he was tricked into appearing in the anti-gun documentary Bowling for Columbine, according to a federal lawsuit filed against filmmaker Michael Moore.
Columbia Pictures v. Michael Moore
Status: Judge ruled June 3, 1998, Miramax's Big One posters must come down. 

Filed: April 15, 1998United States District Court, Los Angeles 
The Case: Columbia Pictures is suing Miramax Films and Mayfair Entertainment for copyright infringement and unfair competition, claiming the distributors stole the advertising concept from 1997's Men in Black campaign and used it to promote the Michael Moore mockumentary The Big One. 
The suit seeks unspecified damages and an injunction on The Big One's movie poster and trailer. 

The National Spinal Cord Injury Association may, in your opinion, be fromthe leftist media, but in their article they spoke of "exploration" not "exploitation" Perhaps, as you say, "The choice of words reveals the person." Not having seen either movie I have only what I've read about the men and their movies to go on, so I will not claim to know either oftheir motives, but my common sense tells me they both have motives when they make movies. Be it fame, fortune, or other issues, their motives are why they make movies.  

With Love,
CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA 
Your Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Nothing but a personal opinion.A piss poor one at that.The choice of words reveals the person.Wonder WHY THEY CLAIM HE HAS A VANDETTA?(excuse the caps)Could it be a whiner that meathead moore didn't win it?Where was the outcry from the leftist media when meathead moore lied to and used a student in a wheelchair (who sued him) in the farce Bowling for Columbine?Now THAT was exploitation.Stunt Eastwood Continues Disability Vendetta with 'Million Dollar Baby' Source: National Spinal Cord Injury Association-- http://thor.prohosting.com/stunttnt/http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/

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[Greg]

I 
have no problem with the plot of the movie Million Dollar Baby. It’s a movie, 
not a fact. I loved Bonny and Clide, but I don’t condone it. I like when movies 
don’t always have a happy ending. I actually prefer this ending, to her ending 
up walking and fighting again. It has a more dramatic affect. And remember, this 
is a drama.

What 
I have problems with is that I don’t think it was a very good movie. I thought 
the acting bad, the boxing scenes were not very good, and the hospital scenes 
were way off. I mean she was talking while her vent was blowing in. Maybe some 
can, but I’ve never seen it.

Greg

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[B. Kimberlin \(Quadius\)]

Since I have not seen the movie, I can only comment on what others have told me. I have also heard the same complaints about this film that you have mentioned here.I guess I will wait and judge for myself later.BillyGreg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





I have no problem with the plot of the movie Million Dollar Baby. It’s a movie, not a fact. I loved Bonny and Clide, but I don’t condone it. I like when movies don’t always have a happy ending. I actually prefer this ending, to her ending up walking and fighting again. It has a more dramatic affect. And remember, this is a drama.

What I have problems with is that I don’t think it was a very good movie. I thought the acting bad, the boxing scenes were not very good, and the hospital scenes were way off. I mean she was talking while her vent was blowing in. Maybe some can, but I’ve never seen it.

Greg__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 

Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

[David K. Kelmer]

I will second that!

With Love,
CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mr. Boyd could easily be the King and the winner of the "longest period contest."Man, I miss that guy.WIn a message dated 7/29/05 2:57:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 34 years as a Quad ? Wow, I wonder if that is the record in here for the longest period that any of us in here have been quads ? By the way how did you become paralyzed ??Thanks, Dan 

Re: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

[David K. Kelmer]

Eastwood Continues Disability Vendetta with 'Million Dollar Baby'Source: National Spinal Cord Injury Association
BETHESDA, Md., Jan. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- Score one for Clint Eastwood for his award winning film, "Million Dollar Baby," a brilliantly executed attack on life after spinal cord injury (SCI). It is exquisitely filmed and acted. Eastwood, director and star of the film, and actors Hillary Swank and Morgan Freeman know their craft. Paring the story to basics, Frankie (Eastwood), an aging manager, agrees to train Maggie (Swank), a talented boxer. Maggie takes a fall and sustains SCI. Frankie then kills Maggie in a nursing home at her request. 
Eastwood's message that life with SCI, with a disability, is not worth living is a prejudice shared by many. Missing is an exploration of why Maggie was in a nursing home without rehabilitation rather than returning home and attempting a decent quality of life. Eastwood fails to include mention that it is discrimination, poverty, and an inaccessible society that sometimes lead newly-injured people to abandon hope and choose death. 
"Eastwood is remembered by many for his attack on the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) in 2000," said Marcie Roth, CEO of the National Spinal Cord Injury Association. "I'm saddened but not surprised that he uses the power of fame and film to perpetuate his view that the lives of people with disabilities are not worth living." 
Perhaps this movie is Dirty Harry's revenge for being sued in 1997 after refusing to include $7000 worth of accessible bathrooms in his 6.7 million dollar resort renovation. Eastwood spearheaded the call to weaken the ADA by including a detrimental ninety-day notification provision. The fact that Eastwood refused pre-lawsuit notification via certified mail and was sued under California state law not the ADA came out at a subsequent congressional hearing. 
"Many people with SCI and other disabilities survive, thrive, and contribute to our society," stated Roth. "Dirty Harry could win the day and show us all a better use of his legendary talent by portraying disabled lives well-lived rather than sending the damaging message "better dead than disabled." 
Founded in 1948, the National Spinal Cord Injury Association is dedicated to improving the quality of life for hundreds of thousands of Americans with spinal cord injury and disease and their families. This number grows by approximately thirty newly-injured people each day. For more info on SCI see Source at: http://www.spinalcord.org 
With Love,
CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Maybe it is just a story. There may be no message. 

john

In a message dated 7/29/2005 5:17:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





Well I think you're sending the wrong message saying it's not always a bad thing.
You might re-think this answer if some one on here took your advice tomorrow and sent us a thank you e-mail.

I for one have gained lots of wisdom from being a quad and don't mind sharing it with my children.


Mark

---Original Message---


From: William Willis
Date: 07/29/05 14:48:52
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

tough, yes. but the "easy way out" is not always a bad thing. Suffering
achieves neither wisdom nor salvation nor is it the mighty fight that
elicits applause. It is simply a pain-in-the-ass fact void of glory that
every one of us do our damnedest to escape. I completely understand her
decision and I do not condemn Eastwood. I speak from 34 yrs. as a quad. The
movie ending that upset me was The Brooke Ellison Story. It ended with her
doing circles in the schoolyard and looking skyward. What the hell was that
supposed to mean? Yes, she graduated from Harvard, but she still had a
hellish future. To me, it was more depressing than Baby.

From: "QuadPirate" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: "QuadPirate" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], quad-list@eskimo.com,"~LittleQuad~"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:50:09 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)

That's what I thought Amye, if she was a real fighter this is where the
story should've started.
Just goes to show you how damn tough we are.

Mark

---Original Message---

From: ~LittleQuad~
Date: 07/29/05 08:56:24
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

it seems to be taking the easy way outi have not seen it, but quad
friend says i should

gt;[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hi all,
i finally had the chance to see this movie. i remember so much controversy
on the movie with this group. i just wonder why?
diane




http://fly.to/littlequad
Yahoo ID - littlequad










.

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[wheelchair]

Walter Payton, of the Chicago Bears, Football Team, once told me that 
God's gift to you is Life.  What you do with it is your gift to him.

Ive never forgotten that and when the issue of life and the quality of
life are mentioned, his words keep resurfacing.  Dang you Walter, lol.
W

In a message dated 7/30/05 9:40:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 John, you are probably right. I would certainly not condone anyone taking 
his own life. However, I cannot brand as a coward anyone who can move only 
his eyeballs that decides the payoff is not worth the suffering. 

Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

[Jkrocks]

 

I just watched the movie a couple of weeks ago and I had no problem with it 
either.

Jim

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[~LittleQuad~]

i didn't watch that one either...when i know in advance that they are depressing i steer clear.
amyeWilliam Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
tough, yes. but the "easy way out" is not always a bad thing. Suffering achieves neither wisdom nor salvation nor is it the mighty fight that elicits applause. It is simply a pain-in-the-ass fact void of glory that every one of us do our damnedest to escape. I completely understand her decision and I do not condemn Eastwood. I speak from 34 yrs. as a quad. The movie ending that upset me was The Brooke Ellison Story. It ended with her doing circles in the schoolyard and looking skyward. What the hell was that supposed to mean? Yes, she graduated from Harvard, but she still had a hellish future. To me, it was more depressing than Baby.From: "QuadPirate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: "QuadPirate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, , "~LittleQuad~"
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar BabyDate: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:50:09 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) That's what I thought Amye, if she was a real fighter this is where thestory should've started.Just goes to show you how damn tough we are.Mark---Original Message---From: ~LittleQuad~Date: 07/29/05 08:56:24To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Babyit seems to be taking the easy way outi have not seen it, but quadfriend says i should[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:hi all,i finally had the chance to see this movie. i remember so much controversyon the movie with this group. i just wonder why?dianehttp://fly.to/littlequadYahoo ID -
 littlequad

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[QuadPirate]

Good point Stuntman and maybe it will help some one treat people better.

My only opinion on this is she was supposed to be a fighter and when the bell rang she left the ring.
I don't think Mr. Eastwood had anything but money on his mind when he made this film and after all his main objective is too fill theater seats so it was a great movie I guess.

Anyone that wants to see a great movie a sci should see Rory O'Shea was here, great movie, true to sci and great acting  directing in my opinion a much better movie with a good ending.
http://www.roryosheawasheremovie.com/

Mark

---Original Message---


From: Your Name
Date: 07/29/05 20:00:10
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

Some people never adapt.
Some want to live life on their own terms.
Nobody else has the right to judge them.
Now, maybe, just maybe, at least ONE family out there learned the need
to be supportive.
Or somebody in a rehab center learned to act in a better way.
In which case, the movie will have had a positive effect.
I will agree that it might be a bad idea for a new high level quad to
watch it though.
But some how I didn't get the impression it was ever ment to be a "feel
good" movie.
Stunt



 Not a good movie for a new quad to see.It showed no opportunities
for her.
Sure she had a horrible family, but such as supportivefriend.Why
not use
 those fighting abilities in the right direction. Why not any
independent
 living, that would've made a big difference.Sheappeared to be in
a facility.
 Dana



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[~LittleQuad~]

it seems to be taking the easy way outi have not seen it, but quad friend says i should[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


hi all,
i finally had the chance to see this movie. i remember so much controversy on the movie with this group. i just wonder why?
diane


http://fly.to/littlequadYahoo ID - littlequad 

Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

[Quietstream25322]

 Hi Diane, Me and my wife thought this was a great movie. Clint 
Eastwood said that some people were trying to INTERPET to MUCH from this movie. 
He said that it was Simply--- Telling a Story, And had nothing to do with 
changing peoples views or Euthinasia...If you recall in the movie He did not 
want to assist her and was even afraid it would doom his soul to hell. Overall a 
good movie although very sad and touching.
 
Dan c-6 8yrs. post

Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

[QuadPirate]

That's what I thought Amye, if she was a real fighter this is where the story should've started.
Just goes to show you how damn tough we are.

Mark

---Original Message---


From: ~LittleQuad~
Date: 07/29/05 08:56:24
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

it seems to be taking the easy way outi have not seen it, but quad friend says i should[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


hi all,
i finally had the chance to see this movie. i remember so much controversy on the movie with this group. i just wonder why?
diane



http://fly.to/littlequadYahoo ID - littlequad 

FW: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

[William Willis]

tough, yes. but the easy way out is not always a bad thing. Suffering 
achieves neither wisdom nor salvation nor is it the mighty fight that 
elicits applause. It is simply a pain-in-the-ass fact void of glory that 
every one of us do our damnedest to escape. I completely understand her 
decision and I do not condemn Eastwood. I speak from 34 yrs. as a quad. The 
movie ending that upset me was The Brooke Ellison Story. It ended with her 
doing circles in the schoolyard and looking skyward. What the hell was that 
supposed to mean? Yes, she graduated from Harvard, but she still had a 
hellish future. To me, it was more depressing than Baby.



From: QuadPirate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: QuadPirate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], quad-list@eskimo.com,~LittleQuad~ 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:50:09 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)

 That's what I thought Amye, if she was a real fighter this is where the
story should've started.
Just goes to show you how damn tough we are.

Mark

---Original Message---

From: ~LittleQuad~
Date: 07/29/05 08:56:24
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

it seems to be taking the easy way outi have not seen it, but quad
friend says i should

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hi all,
i finally had the chance to see this movie. i remember so much controversy
on the movie with this group. i just wonder why?
diane




http://fly.to/littlequad
Yahoo ID - littlequad

Re: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

[Quietstream25322]

 34 years as a Quad ? Wow, I wonder if that is the 
record in here for the longest period that any of us in here have been quads 
? By the way how did you become paralyzed ??
 
Thanks, Dan

[QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

[wheelchair]

Mr. Boyd could easily be the King and the winner of the longest period 
contest.
Man, I miss that guy.
W

In a message dated 7/29/05 2:57:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 34 years as a Quad ?   Wow, I wonder if that is the  record in here for 
the 
longest period that any of us in here have been quads  ?  By the way how did 
you become paralyzed ??
  
 Thanks,  Dan 

Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

[Ol' Man River]

Honorable mention Dave at 38 yrs (1967)
I think Mr. Boyd is 1948 or something - 50 some years... i think
Dave[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mr. Boyd could easily be the King and the winner of the "longest period contest."Man, I miss that guy.WIn a message dated 7/29/05 2:57:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 34 years as a Quad ? Wow, I wonder if that is the record in here for the longest period that any of us in here have been quads ? By the way how did you become paralyzed ??Thanks, Dan Dave(what's a quad?)__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 

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[MikeyBird3]

In a message dated 7/29/2005 3:57:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   34 years as a Quad ? Wow, I wonder if that is 
  the record in here for the longest period that any of us in here have been 
  quads ? By the way how did you become paralyzed ??
   
  Thanks, Dan

I just passed my 37th "anniversary" of breaking my neck in a diving 
accident. I think there are a couple on the list that have survived longer 
than me. 

BillC-6 incomplete in FL

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[wheelchair]

Honorable mentions go to anyone who survives a trauma incident.
Being able to carry on, while surviving for 38 years is a very
specialty in its own.  Bonsai= May You Live 1000 Years!
W

In a message dated 7/29/05 3:12:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Honorable mention Dave at 38 yrs (1967)

I think Mr. Boyd is 1948 or something - 50 some years... i think

Dave 

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[QuadPirate]

Well I think you're sending the wrong message saying it's not always a bad thing.
You might re-think this answer if some one on here took your advice tomorrow and sent us a thank you e-mail.

I for one have gained lots of wisdom from being a quad and don't mind sharing it with my children.


Mark

---Original Message---


From: William Willis
Date: 07/29/05 14:48:52
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

tough, yes. but the "easy way out" is not always a bad thing. Suffering
achieves neither wisdom nor salvation nor is it the mighty fight that
elicits applause. It is simply a pain-in-the-ass fact void of glory that
every one of us do our damnedest to escape. I completely understand her
decision and I do not condemn Eastwood. I speak from 34 yrs. as a quad. The
movie ending that upset me was The Brooke Ellison Story. It ended with her
doing circles in the schoolyard and looking skyward. What the hell was that
supposed to mean? Yes, she graduated from Harvard, but she still had a
hellish future. To me, it was more depressing than Baby.

From: "QuadPirate" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: "QuadPirate" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], quad-list@eskimo.com,"~LittleQuad~"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:50:09 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)

That's what I thought Amye, if she was a real fighter this is where the
story should've started.
Just goes to show you how damn tough we are.

Mark

---Original Message---

From: ~LittleQuad~
Date: 07/29/05 08:56:24
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

it seems to be taking the easy way outi have not seen it, but quad
friend says i should

gt;[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hi all,
i finally had the chance to see this movie. i remember so much controversy
on the movie with this group. i just wonder why?
diane




http://fly.to/littlequad
Yahoo ID - littlequad




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Re: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

[DAANOO]

Not a good movie for a new quad to see. It showed no opportunities 
for her. Sure she had a horrible family, but such as supportive 
friend. Why not use those fighting abilities in the right direction. 
Why not any independent living, that would've made a big difference. She 
appeared to be in a facility.Dana

Re: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

[DeLiMiTeD4]

Maybe it is just a story. There may be no message. 

john

In a message dated 7/29/2005 5:17:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  


  
Well I think you're sending the wrong message saying it's not 
always a bad thing.
You might re-think this answer if some one on here took your advice 
tomorrow and sent us a thank you e-mail.

I for one have gained lots of wisdom from being a quad and don't 
mind sharing it with my children.


Mark

---Original 
Message---


From: William Willis
Date: 07/29/05 
14:48:52
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: FW: Re: 
[QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

tough, yes. but the "easy way out" is not always a bad thing. 
Suffering
achieves neither wisdom nor salvation nor is it the mighty fight 
that
elicits applause. It is simply a pain-in-the-ass fact void of glory 
that
every one of us do our damnedest to escape. I completely understand 
her
decision and I do not condemn Eastwood. I speak from 34 yrs. as a 
quad. The
movie ending that upset me was The Brooke Ellison Story. It ended 
with her
doing circles in the schoolyard and looking skyward. What the hell 
was that
supposed to mean? Yes, she graduated from Harvard, but she still 
had a
hellish future. To me, it was more depressing than Baby.

From: "QuadPirate" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: "QuadPirate" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], quad-list@eskimo.com,"~LittleQuad~"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
    Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:50:09 -0500 (Central Daylight 
Time)

That's what I thought Amye, if she was a real 
fighter this is where the
story should've started.
Just goes to show you how damn tough we are.

Mark

---Original Message---

From: ~LittleQuad~
Date: 07/29/05 08:56:24
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
    Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

it seems to be taking the easy way outi have not seen it, 
but quad
friend says i should

gt;[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
hi all,
i finally had the chance to see this movie. i remember so much 
controversy
on the movie with this group. i just wonder why?
diane




http://fly.to/littlequad
Yahoo ID - littlequad





  
  



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[QUAD-L] Movie: Million Dollar Baby

[DiannaL767]

hi all,
i finally had the chance to see this movie. i remember so much controversy 
on the movie with this group. i just wonder why?
diane