Re: I've got a Quadra 605 Coming
At 23:57 -0600 on 18/02/03, Dan Palka wrote: Put it this way, I far more frequently run into software that needs 7.5.5 instead of 7.1 than software that needs 7.1 and wont work under 7.5.5. No. You run into software that *thinks* it needs 7.5. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: I've got a Quadra 605 Coming
the res'es available to an IBM compatible pc are as follows: 640x480; 800x600; 1024x768; 1152x864; 1280x768; 1280x960 and 1280x1024. some will continue up to 1600X1200 but the ones listed are the limits to my ViewSonic 17 monitor connected to a 64mb DDR Nvidia GeForce 256 adapter - Original Message - From: Jason White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quadlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: I've got a Quadra 605 Coming I've been toying with the idea of getting an LC 475 for awhile just to see what an '040 can do. The only machines I've ever had with a 68040 were a 190 and a 190cs. So I posted a swap list on the swap list and have one coming. I've got a few questions about this machine, and I'm sure more will come as I start to use it. I may have posted some of these on the Vintage Mac list, and if I have I apologize for the cross posting (it was awhile ago). First, I saw on LEM that this machine can use 64M SIMMs, but only certain types. Does anyone out there have a 64M SIMM in a 605 or 475? If so, is it stable? If so, do you recall where you got it? Second, I saw the VRAM can be upped to 1 meg from 512k. The only monitor I have at the moment (not counting the 17 on our G4) is the 14 Basic Color Monitor (?). I'm assuming there's no need to up the VRAM until I get a better monitor. While on the monitor note, do regular PC SVGA monitors support the 832 x 624ish resolution this machine can make, or is that just a Mac resolution? Third, what OS would you guys gals recommend? I've got a 16M SIMM I can put in it, bringing it to 20M of physical RAM, until I decide to buy a bigger SIMM for it. I know I've got 7.1, 7.5.3, 7.6.1, and 8.1, but know nothing as far as which one would be best on a Quadra. Fourth I read the article (linked from LEM) about over clocking this machine. Has anyone here tried it? If so, was there a noticable difference? I saw that you had to install the resistors on a switch, so you could install OS 7.5. Does that apply to later OS's, or does it even work with later OSs? Does the PDS still work if you overclock it? Ethernet will almost definitely be in this machine. Fifth, does changing out the LC040 to a full 040 provide much of a boost? Does it produce any compatibility problems? Sixth, are ther any other PDS cards that would be fun to play with for this machine. The only ones I'm aware of are ethernet, the Apple 2e card, and I think I saw a video card for the LC's on eBay once. LEM says there are PPC upgrade cards for this machine, but that's probably not something I can see myself doing. Are there any LC cards that don't work in this machine? I'm guessing an '040 upgrade card (for an LCIII) probably wouldn't work, but anything else? More to come I'm sure, J White Buy American S.O.S. Save Our Steel -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: I've got a Quadra 605 Coming
At 09:57 -0500 on 19/02/03, Tammy S. Noack wrote: the res'es available to an IBM compatible pc are as follows: 640x480; 800x600; 1024x768; 1152x864; 1280x768; 1280x960 and 1280x1024. some will continue up to 1600X1200 but the ones listed are the limits to my ViewSonic 17 monitor connected to a 64mb DDR Nvidia GeForce 256 adapter Of course, this varies wildly depending on the graphics card and monitor, and with the wide range of such setups on the PC side, there's no way anyone can say for certain about a PC without having a LOT more information... -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: I've got a Quadra 605 Coming
--- the pickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 23:57 -0600 on 18/02/03, Dan Palka wrote: Put it this way, I far more frequently run into software that needs 7.5.5 instead of 7.1 than software that needs 7.1 and wont work under 7.5.5. No. You run into software that *thinks* it needs 7.5. -- the pickle I have to agree with pickle for the most part. I do enjoy one thing that 7.5.x has: Apple's built-in hidden finder options. These include selecting file(s) and keying Cmd-Del to send them to the trash and Cmd-R an alias to reveal its original file. Cmd-dragging to create an alias and diabling finder window zoom rectangles are also nice. If anyone knows a hack to get some or all of these options in 7.1, please do share! :) Craig __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: I've got a Quadra 605 Coming
[...] 2. The VRAM upgrade to 1M isn't going to be real important with just a 14 or 15 monitor, as I don't think I'll ever want to do 1024 X 768 on such a small monitor. 3. Got lots of opinions on the OS, one was to try them all and see for myself which I like best, and probably will try a few. J White Actually, you need the 2 512k VRAM SIMMs in order to see thousands of colors on a 14 monitor (640 x 480), or a 15 (at 832 x 624). This may or may not be of importance to you, but just to let you know. I have run both 7.1 7.5.5 (actually 7.5.3, but I've never gone all the way up, because I've heard that the 7.5.5 upgrade only adds stuff of relevance to PPCs -- I've lost data on disks under 7.5.5 on other 68k Macs.) I think 7.5.3 is actually just a bit faster, if you slim it down (as recommended on gamba's sitte elsewhere. A prime candidate, IMHO, for slimming is Apple Menu Options. Also Open Transport, if you can avoid it. You won't want to avoid it if the 605 is on the Net, tho'. Have fun! -- Over, Jutso http://pages.ripco.net/~jutso/ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: I've got a Quadra 605 Coming
My opinion as some of you may know is for 7.5.5, as it feels just as fast as 7.1 to me anyway, but has more features and is compatible with more newer software. You won't really know which you prefer until you try both I guess, but for me personall all of my 040 desktops currently run 7.5.5 (my 040 powerbooks all run 7.1.1 however, smaller footprint for the smaller hard drives). Third, what OS would you guys gals recommend? I've got a 16M SIMM I can put in it, bringing it to 20M of physical RAM, until I decide to buy a bigger SIMM for it. I know I've got 7.1, 7.5.3, 7.6.1, and 8.1, but know 7.1 is a lot faster than the rest. ** Lots of hellos from Dan Palka's Quadra 800: The power to be your best. ** -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: I've got a Quadra 605 Coming
Probably either 7.1 or 8.1. If you're up for a little work upgrading and tweaking bits, 7.1 is nice because it has a very low memory footprint. Overclocked to 33mhz (see below) with 64 megs of RAM, 8.1 works quite well really. I'm in the camp that doesn't see a lot of reason for running 7.5.5 and 7.6.1 is only marginal. There's not a lot that won't run on 7.1 that will on 7.5.5, 7.6.1, or 8.1. Again in my experience I have to disrecommend OS 8.1. Even on my 50mhz upgraded Quadra with 136mb of RAM and a 10,000rpm hard drive MacOS 8.1 is sluggish to me. On the other hand, 64 megs of RAM and a 33mhz '040 would mostly negate the advantages 7.1 has over 7.5.5, which is a somewhat smaller memory footprint and a slight speed advantage. Might be worth just using 7.5.5 since it saves you a good bit of trouble :) Definetly. If you have lots of RAM maybe thats the key to using system 7.5.5. 32mb aught to be enough to run the OS and some Apps with virtual memory turned off. Of course MY Quadra doesnt even know what Virtual Memory is :) ** Lots of hellos from Dan Palka's Quadra 800: The power to be your best. ** -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: I've got a Quadra 605 Coming
At 22:10 -0500 on 18/02/03, Scott Holder wrote: At 08:33 PM 2/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: First, I saw on LEM that this machine can use 64M SIMMs, but only certain types. Does anyone out there have a 64M SIMM in a 605 or 475? If so, is it stable? If so, do you recall where you got it? I have three in use in mine, works great. I got them from Other World How'd you get three RAM slots in a 605? :) tried it. I don't beleve there was ever a definite I tried it and it did/didn't work on the thread. Ethernet cards are a dime a dozen, and The IIe card works fine as long as you stick with 24-bit mode, which makes any RAM over 8 MB completely pointless. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: I've got a Quadra 605 Coming
At 22:12 -0600 on 18/02/03, Dan Palka wrote: as 7.1 to me anyway, but has more features and is compatible with more newer software. That's *so* untrue, at least the latter half. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: I've got a Quadra 605 Coming
At 11:17 PM 2/18/2003 -0500, you wrote: How'd you get three RAM slots in a 605? :) Three LC475/Q605 machines ;) The IIe card works fine as long as you stick with 24-bit mode, which makes any RAM over 8 MB completely pointless. Well, if you're wanting to use Apple II software, shouldn't need more than 8 megs anyway ;) Scott Holder -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: I've got a Quadra 605 Coming
At 23:25 -0500 on 18/02/03, Scott Holder wrote: At 11:17 PM 2/18/2003 -0500, you wrote: The IIe card works fine as long as you stick with 24-bit mode, which makes any RAM over 8 MB completely pointless. Well, if you're wanting to use Apple II software, shouldn't need more than 8 megs anyway ;) Yeah, it's just a pain in the arse as far as doing non-Apple //e stuff. You can always reboot between sessions, but I'd rather dedicate an LC or LC II to the task, since they're limited to 10 MB RAM anyway, and all the Apple //e processing is handled by the card, so it wouldn't be any slower. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: I've got a Quadra 605 Coming
Put it this way, I far more frequently run into software that needs 7.5.5 instead of 7.1 than software that needs 7.1 and wont work under 7.5.5. And the only 68k compatible 802.11b card i know of wont work below 7.5.3 but thats a topic we're discussing in PowerBooks list. as 7.1 to me anyway, but has more features and is compatible with more newer software. That's *so* untrue, at least the latter half. ** Lots of hellos from Dan Palka's Quadra 800: The power to be your best. ** -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
