Re: back on topic [Sque]

2002-12-22 Thread Sque


Michael Dawe wrote:

on 22/12/2002, Sque [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

From my Mac Ultimate Doom read me:

**/In order to ensure that you are giving DOOM II as much memory as
possible, press S or M (Single or Multiplayer) when you see the logo
screens appear after launching DOOM II. Turn on the Kill Finder and Other
Applications options to free more memory for the System Software (which
includes QuickTime)/**

You bloody ripper, now where in the readme's does it say that?

7.1 is the bee's knees of mac OS's. Honestly, it kicks ass.
If you need to free up memory to do other things, work or play. AND your
computer can run on SSW 7.1, go for it; You will notice snappier performance
if you're used to running 7.5 to 8.1 on the same machine.

I think I will drop it back, might loose a few things like Warcraft for 
one but I've been looking for a reason to try something other than a 
classic on 7.1 (bit of overkill but usable).

Having said that, my Q700 is slower than my Q650. I put it down to 30 pin
SIMMs But more so, I believe it's the weird on-board Q700 video memory
that's the *real* culprit. I guess a faster CPU and RAM in the 650 has an
effect too.

Well you've talked me into swapping the mobo over for the 800, its never 
been tested so I guess i had better before I buy a box for it, I've got 
a bigger drive ect so it might make a good test, always wondered what 
I'll lose buy cutting the (on paper) vram in half, still its close to a 
650 but I should be able to frag your butt with it being a shade 
quicker, again on paper.

Legacy is here: http://legacy.newdoom.com/

Thanks

I've a cd's full of custom wads, looks like thats wasted on a mac. I
dont suppose there's a mac68k doom launcher around somewhere?


If you have MacDoom (1, Ultimate, or 2) you can play any custom WAD file, no
conversion required.

Yes I see the option on the multi player screen. I have I, Ise, II, 
plutoniana, TNT as well as custom stuff, used to be some great sites 
around, haven't looked for ages, most I've never played. Nice to know 
you can remake the game so many ways.
I don't have Macdoom, other than the demos, wads transfered straight 
from the pc had errors, probably something weird with pc exchange, the 
ones of the cd work fine

Ultimate is the go-between. Using the Doom WAD supplied with Ultimate you
can play any Doom 1 custom WAD. But swap the supplied Doom.WAD with a
Doom2.WAD (from any platform) you get Doom 2, plus you can play any Doom 2
custom WAD along with it.

Not sure what Ultimate is, the splash screen says ultimate doom but the 
files named Doom1 11.8mb.

Also... and it was a blast discovering this; The Mac Ultimate Doom also
shipped with updaters for the DOS side of things on it's CD, so you could
play with PC owners and not have conflicts. My huge discovery of 2002 (only
about 6 weeks back in fact) was, by taking the WAD file that shipped with my
Mac Ultimate Doom and installing it into my PC's directory of the DOS
Shareware Doom 1, then running the ID supplied updater, Shareware Doom
converts to Ultimate Doom for DOS. Cool, this game is made for DOS so if I
want to, I can run this instead. But as I mentioned earlier, I'm preferring
Legacy Doom 130 on DOS for both Ultimate and Doom 2.

There you go getting all dosy on me again. :) I'll run it through the pc 
card on a powermac and let you know how I get on. It plays diablo quite 
well and even the pc-phobic girl can put up with alittle windows. :) 
Very nice of ID to help you out like that. Both ID, Blizzard and Sierra 
for that matter, have enjoyed a good portion of my hard earned hopefully 
they will always support Mac.

Got a multi player game of Warcraft II going between a lombard and the
Q700. The speed was ok but the game was weird. It had one character for
each team in a field full of sheep, the mission task being kill all
enemy. Now since the two teams can co-operate that leaves a field of
sheep? That can't be it, can it?  :)



Surely not, must be some coder's warped sense of humor, a Kiwi perhaps ;-)

Nah, no gum boots involved just lots of hacking. Guess I should RTFM. 
Speaking of warped, is there a port of Cannon Fodder for 68k mac about.




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Re: back on topic [Sque]

2002-12-21 Thread Sque
Michael Dawe wrote:


(All ID Dooms 1 - 2) run resonably OK on a Quadra w/FPU. *AND 72 pin RAM*.
OK, so I think my Q700 is bit of a slug and only good for running BSD ;-)



So it runs but slowly on a Q700? Mine's running 7.5  it seems playable 
if you can put up with the screen size trade off for speed, not the 
worst 68k port I've played. Wonder if a kick back to 7.1 would help at 
all. Not a great deal I'd guess but maybe someone knows for sure. Cant 
find the multiplayer option in DoomI, not sure if I'm missing something 
or just used to entering everything via command line. ;)

Do you use a different port of Doom or ID's?
   

Yes, I'm playing Legacy Doom, a DOS port on a Pentium 166 running DOS 6x.
There are recent ports of Legacy to several platforms including OS X, so I
guess this where the most activity in the DOOM source code is, at present.



About as different as they come. :) Ive got legacy installed but usually 
run jDoom who dont seem to do any mac ports but the min requirement is a 
P166 if your interested. Do you have Legacy's address my old links not 
working
I've a cd's full of custom wads, looks like thats wasted on a mac. I 
dont suppose there's a mac68k doom launcher around somewhere?

Got a multi player game of Warcraft II going between a lombard and the 
Q700. The speed was ok but the game was weird. It had one character for 
each team in a field full of sheep, the mission task being kill all 
enemy. Now since the two teams can co-operate that leaves a field of 
sheep? That can't be it, can it?  :)




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Re: back on topic [Sque]

2002-12-21 Thread the pickle
At 02:13 +1100 on 22/12/02, Sque wrote:

all. Not a great deal I'd guess but maybe someone knows for sure. Cant
find the multiplayer option in DoomI, not sure if I'm missing something
or just used to entering everything via command line. ;)

Do you have the shareware or commercial version?  I don't think the shareware
version supported multiplayer, or didn't support it any way except maybe IPX.
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Re: back on topic [Sque]

2002-12-21 Thread Sque


the pickle wrote:

Do you have the shareware or commercial version?  I don't think the shareware
version supported multiplayer, or didn't support it any way except maybe IPX.


Well there's the rub,  I have both the shareware and commercial wads, 
neither seem to add the option of multiplayer to the options menu on any 
of my machines. the ipx control panels seem to function correctly so 
perhaps its the wad.

The games splash screen comes up with ultimate doom running the 
commercial wad which is missing when running the demo, still neither 
give the multiplayer option. Perhaps the wad I'm using doesn't support 
multiplayer, I do miss CLI with such things. With a program such as 
Doom, the games life can be extended and bug stomping is made so much 
easier. This is also made easier with the use of a launcher which I can 
find for most other platforms except the mac. :(

Seriously thinking of dropping the Q800 board in to gain that extra 8mhz 
speed, not sure what the drop it vram from 2 to 1 mb will do, atleast 
its faster vram.



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Re: back on topic [Sque]

2002-12-20 Thread Michael Dawe
on 20/12/2002, Sque [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Excellent, its the ones under your nose you miss, cheaper than ebay. :)
 Thanks. Haven't tried Doom on a 68k does it multiplayer well?

(All ID Dooms 1 - 2) run resonably OK on a Quadra w/FPU. *AND 72 pin RAM*.
OK, so I think my Q700 is bit of a slug and only good for running BSD ;-)
I haven't tried multiplayer, so I don't know how it goes. I think that if it
was on a LAN it might be OK but otherwise... hm?

 Do you use a different port of Doom or ID's?

Yes, I'm playing Legacy Doom, a DOS port on a Pentium 166 running DOS 6x.
There are recent ports of Legacy to several platforms including OS X, so I
guess this where the most activity in the DOOM source code is, at present.

Tip if you're interested; Buy Doom II from a bargin bin. Powerhouse has them
for AUS$9.95 right now. The advice on the shrinkwrap says for a PC Running
Win 9x etc. You can either follow this advice or ignore it: I chose to
ignore it and simply extracted the DOOM2.WAD, this runs quite happy (and
upgrades) my own copy of Ultimate DOOM's Mac executable, without conversion,
running on my Q650.

But my real favourite is to use this same WAD on a DOS box using Legacy's
port, version 130 (I've tried later versions and x-platform but v.130 DOS is
a good one, IMO the best).

Cheers, Mike.






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