Re: [qubes-users] Can't get disposable VMs to work
On Sunday, October 2, 2016 at 11:36:09 PM UTC-5, raah...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 12:05:43 AM UTC-4, Chris Mays wrote: > > On Sunday, October 2, 2016 at 10:53:06 PM UTC-5, Andrew David Wong wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > > > On 2016-10-02 20:45, Chris Mays wrote: > > > > I just installed Qubes OS for the first time today, and am having > > > > troubles getting a disposable VM to run. The system menu for Firefox > > > > and XTerm just stall. Is there something I am missing? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Try running this command in dom0: > > > > > > $ qvm-create-default-dvm --default-template > > > > > > If the final line of output is "DVM savefile created successfully," then > > > it has completed successfully, and you should try starting a new DispVM > > > again. > > > > > > If it doesn't complete successfully, post the output here. > > > > > > - -- > > > Andrew David Wong (Axon) > > > Community Manager, Qubes OS > > > https://www.qubes-os.org > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > > > > > iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJX8dYUAAoJENtN07w5UDAwPy0P/iJjIMO2vtUvWp2h6/J0FRmN > > > 9AFFmtupc9vjEfw6XYeD52EryZANNKwNs1NIHKFUxr+NVY/n48egM7+uWtbwdWSz > > > y4EBUV5ajAfZOT/PbuwoW20lKf17fNFdqUELJ7GPjW9JrO33/Kx7NBkvlhzTCiln > > > Lk9ZqtXZXNtLZ8T2Afz1879HFotIBRCknzdSZF4BO7gO7ZckojfK/tEDdQLoB5BV > > > vyQu3X+9FBe2pdmNfmdvFytcn7k+16koZRX2tlLa0RdN8EdP523mVS3Q6mx39rh9 > > > 7oTWQDR4IAxIMpLMf53ZF/Ow7DRzpWv8eETOC+SnwWB5Gfgu2d4Vj1NsyLFxu/n4 > > > YjGpdlTGz+JGoZtC18uLsMkAiayTXUj06HFla33fY8Sz/zjyjtPl6FRaqnKFKiHF > > > XfZAFIANbUvTpMM+9B2Z6qaj/Q2LJ3naE87jlliEGFsoEiFRUI6VQti7Lg5/qNS8 > > > BvJatz31NGfN6hKmp815z/K2AWIqBrLFqmASEZlwbhjGcCxyOhrJCnDt/Uxu2r+2 > > > k5kJis8EVtQ8q+BhRHjWQjCV2ZgHiHpnGYRZcWrMQQkfoT35xnww/v8QkRC9dO8Z > > > Zt7/JRRkvZuJo6ZdQHw4aco84dTiXuAvKl/JQY6O6iili+JQql5i4jtNfT5JI9Jc > > > LysDD4aOYfQK3umMkEbP > > > =0BEc > > > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > > That command ran successfully. > > > > > DVM savefile created successfully. > > > > The DispVM still fails to start. When clicked from the XFCE menu, I see a > > notification "Starting new DispVM..." and nothing happens after that. > > go to qubes-manager and view menu and select show hide internal vms, and > delete all the dvm ones. then try qvm-create-default-dvm fedora-23 I only had one, "fedora-23-dvm". I deleted it and recreated it, but the DispVM is still not starting. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/4b9ea076-10c4-4c5f-ab12-0ff420b3e826%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] mounting a qemu-img'd file error?
I converted a vdi file over to a raw file which seemed to go fine but mounting it is not going so well. mount seems to be having problems with the file sys. I have tried auto but no luck, I tried manually specifying but no luck. It was whonix so I assumed it was ext3 or 4 (or 2, tried em all) but no luck. I have tried specifying offset points (2480 here) and just "loop" etc... nada fdisk -l tells me: Disk whonix.raw: 4 GiB, 4294967296 bytes, 8388608 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disklabel type: dos Disk identifier: 0x3d6b07dc Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type whonix.raw1 2048 8388607 8386560 4G 83 Linux thoughts? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/0f89e0d6-7050-400c-812e-042fbc1213e7%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: I can't disable ipv6 on Debian Template
On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 1:14:13 PM UTC-4, nishi...@gmail.com wrote: > It isn't a configuration problem but a driver related one. I made the mistake > to set up this mouse with a minimum DPI value that is too high. Anyway it has > by default a high DPI value that does not fit a browsing / workstation > profile. I bought it for gaming purpose, but I stopped playing video games. > > Problem is driver from manufacturer to Linux users is really bad as ofc they > don't sell it for that usage. So unless someone would know how to properly > burn a udf USB iso, I guess I'll have to reinstall baremetal Debian and take > an afternoon to compile sources and make it work, once again... if it works in a baremetal debian, it should work in a debian based sys-usb. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/59515399-10ed-4fc3-ab9a-e53fbfcdd2c1%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Re: how many passphrases and passwords do you need?
it's a stupid mess. People don't deal with it. It would be nice if there was a specification, other than a shitty vulnerable USB, that would allow the plugging in of a key that stored a GPG private key. That way even your grandma could automagically sign an authentication token. Such a key-fob would have it's own hardware - to receive requests and possibly basic PIN authentication; or even fingerprint - if it was completely isolated (as in never leaves the device); the authentication module would be on the device itself and not through the OS. The idea is that the device itself functions like a removable TPM chip. Although I personally don't trust hardware that stores fingerprint data - it is feasible for this method to be implemented rather securely and openly (as in libre) In the meantime, I intend soon to make a firefox addon or plugin that stores a salt and domain in the firefox sync database. combine that with a standard manually inputted password to create an HMAC; which can be then be encoded with ASCII values from a lookup table. The result would be a completely random password for every domain. To change the generated pass you would change the salt. The salt is stored in firefox sync but your password is not. I won't get to implement this until I finish UNI in a couple of years. Until then I'm stuck with what I have. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/59e98d09-b25f-45d8-80ab-5eed6a448d72%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Qubes R32 screen blanking except active window
I'm encountering seemingly random screen blanking while I'm using Qubes 3.2 (updated from a fresh install of rc3). The screen will blank and momentarily show the logon. Yet if I move the mouse or use the keyboard only the active window will show. Changing desktops, clicking on other windows, or moving the active window around will redraw the rest of the screen. I never had this issue on this hardware with R3 or R3.1. I'm running dual monitors off an nVidia GTX 560 Ti. The screensaver is set to blank the screen and require a login. That's the screen that keeps popping up. Sometimes it gets so frequent that I need to reboot the system and the problem will go away for a while. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/27d2778a7a55fce1625e0e26cfaff7a3%40riseup.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Re: ORWL Tamper-Proof Qubes PC - Pro & Cons?
Hello Andrew, Merci for sharing this artikel. Here the link to some similar "security mesh" the PEP foil to protect some hardware. Protecting Electronic Products https://www.aisec.fraunhofer.de/de/fields-of-expertise/product-protection/pep-protecting-electronic-products.html This should also be prevent, in a smart setup, that hardware-implantates can included on the shipping (most hardware have no secure delivering service). Perhaps PEP will be introduced in some way for QubesOS hardware. Kind Regards -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/36f8ddfd-03ea-4846-ac83-1604152a711b%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Random MAC addresses working in Network Manager 1.4.2
Network Manager 1.4.2 has been testing very well for me the last few days... This new version appears to randomize MAC addresses properly, and the feature set has evolved to the point where the randomization process is managed in a more holistic way. For example, you can specify a cloned-mac-address type of 'stable', and this will generate a random MAC (for a given access point) and store it for use with the same AP in the future. Setting it to 'random' will generate a random MAC each time it connects, instead of remembering the address. You can also specify bitmasks for randomization. When disconnected, the MAC is changed regularly at a set interval. Randomizing also works for ethernet, and is handled entirely by NM just like it is now for wifi. The network-manager 1.4.2 package is in Debian unstable repo and its not hard to install in Debian stretch/9. I do recommend removing your old NM connection profiles after upgrading, as randomization (while connected) didn't work for me until I started with fresh connection settings (created a new netvm). After installing, edit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf in the template and add lines like: [device-scan] wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=yes [connection] wifi.cloned-mac-address=random Then stop the template and restart the netvm. More details here: https://blogs.gnome.org/thaller/2016/08/26/mac-address-spoofing-in-networkmanager-1-4-0/ https://developer.gnome.org/NetworkManager/stable/NetworkManager.conf.html man nm-settings https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/938 Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/0300e698-0120-e9bb-65d4-b4bd0a3d54f1%40openmailbox.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: I can't disable ipv6 on Debian Template
It isn't a configuration problem but a driver related one. I made the mistake to set up this mouse with a minimum DPI value that is too high. Anyway it has by default a high DPI value that does not fit a browsing / workstation profile. I bought it for gaming purpose, but I stopped playing video games. Problem is driver from manufacturer to Linux users is really bad as ofc they don't sell it for that usage. So unless someone would know how to properly burn a udf USB iso, I guess I'll have to reinstall baremetal Debian and take an afternoon to compile sources and make it work, once again... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/7b19fe03-4757-4f13-a05e-5ada915e1dc3%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Re: How to install DHCP in "sys-net"
On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 4:09:53 PM UTC-4, neilh...@gmail.com wrote: > I am doing a project with someone. > > I need to install DHCP in "sys-net". > > I did: > > sudo dnf install dhcp > > and > > sudo dnf install dhcpcd > > --- > > After this, I was asked to look for this file: > > /usr/lib/dhcpcd/dhcpcd-hooks/70-ipv4-nat > > --- > > But it just hadn't been created. > > I don't understand how to install DHCP in sys-net you install things normally in the template. but isn't it already installed? just go to network manager and change settings to automatic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/67a053f5-0578-4112-91e2-012c52da1f9b%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: I can't disable ipv6 on Debian Template
On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 9:05:01 AM UTC-4, nishi...@gmail.com wrote: > Ok thank you guys, on my next Qubes install I'll use your advices to disable > ipv6 on Debian :) Anyway I use Fedora as well, I use both. Thanks again. > > But right now as I don't want either to go back to my old crappy mouse, > either to continue with this high DPI uncontrollable skating mouse, > unfortunately I am completely locked. Since ~10 days :( > > This is really strange I never encountered problems on Qubes by the past to > use the "dd" command to burn an iso. I tried to add "bs=512" but I still > can't boot on my USB, so that I could install those mouse drivers to lower > down DPI, then uninstall Windows and continue on my way to try a BSD Unix > system.. I don't understand what you mean. Did you try the system settings, and mouse settings from the start menu? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/e9e089c4-7dc6-477f-91fe-178d068c10ec%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] QR32 audio by default?
W dniu poniedziałek, 3 października 2016 04:43:50 UTC+2 użytkownik raah...@gmail.com napisał: > On Sunday, October 2, 2016 at 5:49:07 PM UTC-4, Andrew David Wong wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > On 2016-10-02 09:50, 0982709527834095278094357 wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > will QR32 out of the box support the audio, like in youtube videos? > > > > > > Kind Regards > > > > > > > I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, but audio should work normally in > > Qubes R3.2 for things like YouTube videos, as it did in R3.1. Of course, > > it's not uncommon for people to run into hardware compatibility issues > > depending on their specific hardware. We can't guarantee that audio will > > work out-of-the-box on *your* machine. > > > > - -- > > Andrew David Wong (Axon) > > Community Manager, Qubes OS > > https://www.qubes-os.org > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > > > iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJX8YDJAAoJENtN07w5UDAwzhAP/32ruDB+Q0NCYlnIfNK5P1qi > > 7roSy518qRDW8XxLVW4oqF6kcY2UoLaRN5Xa3tyo9KA7sOdmo0PXFDzrXT2G4MOQ > > HjJKxc50CpJrU83rm4K2StN7XJXmdW9lHCFxCBuREn129dhgj5EO7H9PpcrVIgUM > > BXbcwLFa83kQ8fjafuQVDyeehWBTz2HUCq9QLyOFwsZfkUK+MwpqDcSqW5urgeHJ > > 5oG5FRWSllkkMtg8KqzP+DxkFrvaAMK7RrSalqyOsc91bkDkj7xq5pOJD0yLsV0u > > p6wFxaCInDTFsgyTA3eimTA/e9RD1ec2yk2bQcpiog90d5mWOYClU3nMQAbEt7Ad > > qIuoIU9i5XJP3rzv+0Ky+qOdN815ODSl9tptXwczPCdqy+knno7gC57LYaPngTBm > > nVE4Ap6saVytZ4KgM5GcsBoxBqL8W/ErKB47Rllnogugb/hh98uJ3Itfstu/v+WH > > VhYgk5MiMveR6cr8TljFLsx19Kv9TB1B82U3BQ9T//UyGUt7ICqvVy4jwZQldvbx > > WXJ7xrroGNrCHxtvHkeNQ2HZt+BsqNbuTbJZD9fU+gcd18xwNGWgoy99DpSec4Ic > > m6XL0RcQwKMfbCHfz3rFUFz06OkRrthEj7Bp8wp2y39o442hDhmZEIUadCuu/0QW > > IQzQFLDnSzWnHVFHjU+t > > =Mx9F > > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > what been happening to alot of people and then eventually me is audio stop > working. have to go into alsamixer from dom0 terminal and unmute headhpones > with m button or if your speaker have mm. or then also check settings from > system tools, pulse audio. Depends on the source. Had 0 problems with youtube streaming however audio in Tidal hitched often. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/da35e839-db20-45de-b1e5-6622d6e8a1e5%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Re: XFCE Application menu
Yeah I find that really annoying. I like my launcher to be neatly organized and now its a mess, I'm not willing to go in an fix it via text file in vi. Best third party way to make this editable? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/e8d99ab0-1ede-483d-b912-108459e51f6e%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] how many passphrases and passwords do you need?
passphrase: long, like 15+ words. used for encryption, does not change often password: short, like 3-5 words. used for login/access, changes more often passphrases per client device (laptop etc) bios/firmware disk encryption other passphrases backups keepass passwords per client device login/screen saver other passwords anything you want to access without your laptop so if you have two laptops, two backup disks, and 1 online account that you keep backups on, you'll need to remember 8 passphrases and 3 passwords. that 2xbios, 2xdisk, 2xbackupdisk, 1online-backupimage, 1keepass database and 2xlogin, 1account for online backups, since you might be restoring when thats the only thing left. even if you use the same one for all backups, your still looking at 6 passphrases. this is a simplified example compared to most of us. how do you deal with this? how do you train users to deal with this? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/33f5d9cf-5ffb-4256-8488-4369c6ae9400%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Re: Detach a USB mic from sys-usb into dom0
OK, here is the solution. I solved it myself. You install "pavucontrol" in the internal VM. Then ,if you look at it, you will see that the USB mic is actually detected automatically. So in fact, no need to detach anything, or disable any USB qube. You just simply install "pavucontrol" inside the App VM. The USB mic doesn't show up in dom0's pavucontrol But it does show up in pavucontrol of the internal VM Solved. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/dab90fec-8bbb-4738-a6c4-ed009977d21a%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Minor problems switching from KDE4 to Xfce
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 04:58:39PM +0200, Robert Mittendorf wrote: > Hey there. > > We have some issues using the new Xfce interface compared to KDE4. But most > of us would actually prefer using Xfce for its simplicity. > > 1) "System Tools" includes some in-AppVM applications (I have a lot of > shortcuts there, other coworkers also have such entries, but only a few of > them) > > 2) How can volume be controlled on a per-VM/Qube level as in KDE? Using "Pulseaudio Volume Control" - available in System Tools" or from xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin (which is included in default fresh installation). > 3) Is it possible to color the background of taskbar-items with the AppVM's > color? I don't think so. > 4) Can taskbar-items be grouped by AppVM ? There is grouping setting in "Window Buttons" preferences, but it groups by AppVM + application, not only AppVM. - -- Best Regards, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki Invisible Things Lab A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX8hfiAAoJENuP0xzK19cs2Y8H/3vAx79QBXykqhy0Fl2Fwexh 2OI0kpIKWe6nyvDcYRRkS4rc86bH4Txgxajb9tYjj2s1oZ5qEVYhkj2o1MmlP3ZK OUd4cRUJQhKAArjQfTj4zppjhWYnGQscC5o+e90x/C7HAcQYRABNneKx+pHZdJ9p dd+uA1NCcPnxGLpeG3C6yZPKoK1sGdjzBHepUU4B1cepoH+brO88vAkQdevmi1Ev Jy+UBxJfRkcvT1U/N2gmBtzHC5PmmNro/cXvpnwm/AORqKo+/O6xl35Rqf3VyiAW cJURvOEP9N4VKWlA16cbQuehnfKqBbsAVbIuAySPUIEqZ+Ep4Y7e+yxSqMkZHH8= =Jycp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20161003083339.GB7105%40mail-itl. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes Windows Tools
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sunday, 02.10.2016 at 06:10 -0700, Drew White wrote: > > [...] > > > > You see the difference? Your follow-up reply was inappropriate. It > > didn't actually explain what you wanted, it didn't help them to help > > you, and it led to this ridiculous thread. > > > > Hope this helps, genuinely. > > My reply made them use their brain to try to find the reason why, or > else to ASK the reason why IF they couldn't figure it out. Yours just > provided them information that made them not need to think or > anything. I appreciate the positive sentiment of your message, Drew, but this sentence stood out and is worthy of note. If you're posting to a discussion group where you want help, you should make it as *easy as possible* for someone to answer your question. It is a *good* thing to provide information to people so that they "[do] not need to think or anything"! You should not demand or expect that people go out of their way to figure out what you mean, when it is simpler for you to explain it as part of your enquiry. Don't make your questions to discussion groups intentionally unclear, Drew! In short, always err on the side of "too much information" rather than too little. Cheers, Dave. - -- Dave Ewart da...@sungate.co.uk, http://twitter.com/DaveEwart All email from me is digitally signed, http://www.sungate.co.uk/ GPG key updated Jan 2013 see http://www.sungate.co.uk/gpg Fingerprint: CF3A 93EF 01E6 16C5 AE7A 1D27 45E1 E473 378B B197 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQQcBAEBCgAGBQJX8hE2AAoJEEXh5HM3i7GXVZIf/0TeT2zgKOAFSiBzuh2vEkvM 0ZRPGmsuzou2s0dkPg+VKnali91G4IBU9PxwDqtYperroY0ysNXWun+lf+bOqCpP CmFal+jqWIBMQi4QeCf+EpISXETp2Z6gKbkmv/UwZUxpi42wu6lxD41YJt5tKps9 M+Tb0qc4Urjo1yznZgcc+K8fDxEro7yV4exbzPTWaybXYYtGLkHQ14djPnO7YWBV YaAfSCZfZo1UU5faXV1KQdE3fLQeA7LWbSFUCHCJltmeJL46tT9UqijTz+MxNvb/ 52FfwblbrAlQk3La8bkupQZUQzKfyK/VijTXvN9xYyyeOZ0e/bLxnAPA3tt8UCnP ywfPOTgZWqShp/oqNeGL4Stgp1IgcquQnUknhPbkLUlU/uTD7t4PX2GYvM/QSbLf 9Hn7TOC9k+LHc5/9GWBsadpZNYzxrlMWmbI2rZhyVh/js5TzrUR+ehZq4wsDuUCS jUiQnNIl05AfLtD4kHUvV+RpwiZB774VlA09qr3Uucp5QDa6GBtrZpZzNYz821wV eos//U9kCLYlikWvKrMCNVrP+Kr2WYP6iFZWuCzmNbzYBmARjQFAVIflHxglNNqH hGWuej7ztrOWScnfxmV4XCN6Io84iGnt8ysJqV7qHXgtNw08e2+Zb/IAwLpDn5eC Sz7D9IjhJ3bUP40oxWpo8aZO9Hv5DUXSXu1f/QPDaWjKoPeSDCubOdEixHhMXzpY HypyEStwMTXXNHkHHWDjTDcG2SDNKfHXjqfHRSj0N+JLaIPh//fz5zvSQNI0IqLN me7LB5qqL/9bMEc3cZo1B0XalkagG0Ew1CTlDc8Q7RnecMMXE/8sKz2t9pW7jrdn KNcRd1/tVs07mG4qDrONzw5BBEHI/fuTNfrz1AfgNV+axGRGgqLENruSdTHizZWy bocUjs1xHUfFRyLswWyIFGmEOa6fTbgQ9dyAK4TBs2dlck14Q7gDZtAuQwVH8LwR /vlWw2+xj/RE4oqmVofaVydl/rs1moho9/x/7AWFgfdWyIH/Q7yzZwvo71oHoPgz +xjwvG8qzTIhcBkaAABNitI97RzWT2IUaUu0YPB3YCLrcZIx9Pl/qCfc8qGS3tuI g/8LYsj3y7YI+I3UaZOF0sAxCCAVlZFXfYnYuE8YGMFVI9XoKJ+rTlRBUe0h4ReV gwGfEJo4N/V7sx9FjifwzpIOhHrMIrfEAhJqgdhxOWTzZbQZb1w6gERF5f8sErw8 f/EnN9xFuX8E9aKDFTjSPnlXkeJJRnGd1BIv3YbGtacgD1HgSm/5gjfUx9Ypfz1q cXF+Mp1DHzoxCf4FhDj2Ve62ZwUJNOLlTYegKlsP2OFhfmmup3Qd6COjV9gRA8Y= =t5uU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20161003080511.GK11916%40sungate.co.uk. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
