Re: [qubes-users] Re: Possible to get usable Win7 gui?

2017-01-01 Thread Jarle Thorsen
Robert Fisk:
> I run a Win7 VM on a i5 gen 4 ULV machine. I have always had problems
> with lag increasing over time. On bootup the VM is fast, but after 20
> min it is unusable with each screen redraw taking ~4 sec and associated
> high CPU usage. This has happened both on R3.0 and R3.2.
> 
> I work around the issue by using Remmina (or other RDP client) in an
> appVM, and allowing IP forwarding in the firewall vm. This solution does
> not suffer from increasing lag, and should be usable for everything
> except gaming. See instructions here:

Only problem with this solution is that it does not give you the advantage of 
seamless-mode I guess?


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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Possible to get usable Win7 gui?

2017-01-01 Thread Jarle Thorsen
> My Windows 7 and Windows 10 VM's feel reasonably responsive for
> getting work done (although I definitely wouldn't want to try gaming
> with that level of latency).  My dom0 resolution is larger than yours;
> I haven't adjusted the default resolution in the Windows VM's.
> 
> The Windows VM's have between 2 GB and 4 GB of RAM and 2 CPU logical
> cores; I'm on a Haswell i7.

Thank you for your feedback. I find that seamless mode works better than normal 
desktop mode.  

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[qubes-users] WHEEL emulation ALPSpS Pointing Stick on Dell E6420 running Qubes 3.2

2017-01-01 Thread Michael Fliegner
The following made it work

xinput --list-props 11

xinput --set-int-prop "AlpsPS/2 ALPS DualPointStick" "EvDev Wheel Emulation" 8 1

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Possible to get usable Win7 gui?

2017-01-01 Thread taii...@gmx.com
Windows post-XP needs at least 2d acceleration for a quality desktop 
environment experience especially at those high resolutions, you will 
need to assign a secondary graphics card or at least an emulated device 
which has better performance and more VRAM such as QXL/spice (but that a 
is security problem on qubes, better to just assign 2ndry gfx card)


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Re: [qubes-users] Increase user space (/home/user) in personal VM / understanding Qubes filesystems

2017-01-01 Thread Andrew David Wong
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On 2017-01-01 08:29, Pawel Debski wrote:
> W dniu niedziela, 1 stycznia 2017 16:35:59 UTC+1 użytkownik Andrew David Wong 
> napisał:
> On 2017-01-01 07:31, Pawel Debski wrote:
 Folks,

 when I run out of space, how do I increase /home filesystem in my personal 
 domain?

 Best regards
 PD

> 
> Qubes VM Manager -> Select VM -> VM Settings -> Increase "Private storage 
> max. size" -> OK
> 
> 
> Thanks Andrew,
> 
> that's what I exactly did and it works. However could you please either point 
> me to the docs or explain how /home actually works.
> 
> What I usually do on other distros (physical install) is that I have a 
> separate filesystem mounted on /home.
> 
> On Qubes however, when I do:
> 
> [user@fedora-usb ~]$ df
> Filesystem 1K-blocksUsed Available Use% Mounted on
> /dev/mapper/dmroot  10190136 5834236   3815228  61% /
> /dev/xvdd 388480  152867215133  42% 
> /usr/lib/modules/4.4.31-11.pvops.qubes.x86_64
> devtmpfs  177280   0177280   0% /dev
> tmpfs1048576 364   1048212   1% /dev/shm
> tmpfs 184212 848183364   1% /run
> tmpfs 184212   0184212   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
> tmpfs1048576  12   1048564   1% /tmp
> /dev/xvdb4062912  584324   3462204  15% /rw
> tmpfs  36844  20 36824   1% /run/user/1000
> 
> which one is actually /home filesystem?
> 

/home is bind mounted to /rw/home, so in your case, it's /dev/xvdb (mounted on 
/rw).

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/template-implementation/

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Possible to get usable Win7 gui?

2017-01-01 Thread Jeremy Rand
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Robert Fisk:
> On 12/30/2016 01:33 AM, Jarle Thorsen wrote:
>> torsdag 29. desember 2016 13.14.25 UTC+1 skrev Grzesiek Chodzicki
>> følgende:
>>> W dniu czwartek, 29 grudnia 2016 13:07:44 UTC+1 użytkownik
>>> Jarle Thorsen napisał:
 Currently my Windows 7 StandaloneVM feels a bit sluggish.
 
 Moving windows (no phun intended) is a pain.
 
 Is it possible to have a Windows VM without any lag, or is
 this just a part of the deal with Qubes OS?
 
 What tweaks should I do to get my Windows VM as responsive as
 possible?
 
 I have no problems with lag in dom0 or any of the Linux VMs.
 
 My display is 2560x1440, maybe a large display is part of my
 problem?
>>> 
>>> VM Performance is largely dependent on the CPU and RAM so
>>> ensure that your Windows VM has enough vCPUs and RAM assigned
>>> to it.
>> 
>> Throwing more vCPUs and RAM at it hasn't made a big difference so
>> far, but I'm moving my system to a way more powerful system the
>> next couple of days, hope that will make a difference.
>> 
>> Can anybody please confirm that it is indeed possible to have a
>> lag-free Windows experience under QubesOS?
>> 
> 
> I run a Win7 VM on a i5 gen 4 ULV machine. I have always had
> problems with lag increasing over time. On bootup the VM is fast,
> but after 20 min it is unusable with each screen redraw taking ~4
> sec and associated high CPU usage. This has happened both on R3.0
> and R3.2.
> 
> I work around the issue by using Remmina (or other RDP client) in
> an appVM, and allowing IP forwarding in the firewall vm. This
> solution does not suffer from increasing lag, and should be usable
> for everything except gaming. See instructions here:
> 
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/firewall/
> 
> 
> Regards, Robert

I'm curious, are you using Qubes Windows Tools in that VM?  My Windows
VM's do not have Qubes Windows Tools.  (I'm trying to figure out what
might explain why you've run into this issue and I haven't.)

Cheers,
- -Jeremy
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Possible to get usable Win7 gui?

2017-01-01 Thread Robert Fisk
On 12/30/2016 01:33 AM, Jarle Thorsen wrote:
> torsdag 29. desember 2016 13.14.25 UTC+1 skrev Grzesiek Chodzicki følgende:
>> W dniu czwartek, 29 grudnia 2016 13:07:44 UTC+1 użytkownik Jarle Thorsen 
>> napisał:
>>> Currently my Windows 7 StandaloneVM feels a bit sluggish.
>>>
>>> Moving windows (no phun intended) is a pain.
>>>
>>> Is it possible to have a Windows VM without any lag, or is this just a part 
>>> of the deal with Qubes OS?
>>>
>>> What tweaks should I do to get my Windows VM as responsive as possible?
>>>
>>> I have no problems with lag in dom0 or any of the Linux VMs.
>>>
>>> My display is 2560x1440, maybe a large display is part of my problem?
>>
>> VM Performance is largely dependent on the CPU and RAM so ensure that your 
>> Windows VM has enough vCPUs and RAM assigned to it.
> 
> Throwing more vCPUs and RAM at it hasn't made a big difference so far, but 
> I'm moving my system to a way more powerful system the next couple of days, 
> hope that will make a difference.
> 
> Can anybody please confirm that it is indeed possible to have a lag-free 
> Windows experience under QubesOS?
> 

I run a Win7 VM on a i5 gen 4 ULV machine. I have always had problems
with lag increasing over time. On bootup the VM is fast, but after 20
min it is unusable with each screen redraw taking ~4 sec and associated
high CPU usage. This has happened both on R3.0 and R3.2.

I work around the issue by using Remmina (or other RDP client) in an
appVM, and allowing IP forwarding in the firewall vm. This solution does
not suffer from increasing lag, and should be usable for everything
except gaming. See instructions here:

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/firewall/


Regards,
Robert

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Possible to get usable Win7 gui?

2017-01-01 Thread Jeremy Rand
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Jarle Thorsen:
> torsdag 29. desember 2016 13.14.25 UTC+1 skrev Grzesiek Chodzicki
> følgende:
>> W dniu czwartek, 29 grudnia 2016 13:07:44 UTC+1 użytkownik Jarle
>> Thorsen napisał:
>>> Currently my Windows 7 StandaloneVM feels a bit sluggish.
>>> 
>>> Moving windows (no phun intended) is a pain.
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to have a Windows VM without any lag, or is this
>>> just a part of the deal with Qubes OS?
>>> 
>>> What tweaks should I do to get my Windows VM as responsive as
>>> possible?
>>> 
>>> I have no problems with lag in dom0 or any of the Linux VMs.
>>> 
>>> My display is 2560x1440, maybe a large display is part of my
>>> problem?
>> 
>> VM Performance is largely dependent on the CPU and RAM so ensure
>> that your Windows VM has enough vCPUs and RAM assigned to it.
> 
> Throwing more vCPUs and RAM at it hasn't made a big difference so
> far, but I'm moving my system to a way more powerful system the
> next couple of days, hope that will make a difference.
> 
> Can anybody please confirm that it is indeed possible to have a
> lag-free Windows experience under QubesOS?

My Windows 7 and Windows 10 VM's feel reasonably responsive for
getting work done (although I definitely wouldn't want to try gaming
with that level of latency).  My dom0 resolution is larger than yours;
I haven't adjusted the default resolution in the Windows VM's.

The Windows VM's have between 2 GB and 4 GB of RAM and 2 CPU logical
cores; I'm on a Haswell i7.

Cheers,
- -Jeremy
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Is Fedora Really A Good Choice For QubeOS?

2017-01-01 Thread Jeremy Rand
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pixel fairy:
> On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 at 6:32:41 PM UTC-7, ears...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>> We all know Fedora is a big name, but is it a good choice for a
>> Security Driven OS like QubeOS to be based around? What do others
>> here think?
> 
> There are a lot of packages creating a bigger attack surface. but,
> bigger distros like fedora have companies behind them like red hat.
> red hat has been pretty good about actively looking for
> vulnerabilities in those packages. distros that automatically
> upgrade to the latest version (gentoo etc) can also burn you. they
> would make better template vms where your more likely to want newer
> software and new issues can be better contained.
> 
> for dom0, newer distros are better at hardware compatibility with
> those fancy new processors, graphics cards and storage controllers
> in laptops.
> 
> just personal opinion, but wayland is a better fit than x11 for
> qubes in the long run. fedora is the only distro with a dedicated
> security staff actively supporting it.
> 
> anytime you abstract a layer, your diluting your resources.
> maintaining a dom0 isnt much more work than a domu template, but if
> you want to add slackware, arch, and gentoo, youve now more than
> doubled the developers distro maintanance work when they could be
> working on stability and features.

Potentially worth noting here that in Ed Snowden's keynote at
Libreplanet 2016, he criticized the free software community's tendency
to use stable, outdated software.  Snowden said that the attackers
move and adapt quickly, and it's dangerous to continue using outdated
software that doesn't have the latest security fixes/features just
because it's more stable or more backward-compatible.  Snowden did not
explicitly mention any distros that he was talking about, but I got
the distinct impression that he was (at least in part) talking about
Debian.

Of course, "appeal to authority" is a classic fallacy, so we shouldn't
do what Snowden says without questioning it, but I think it's at least
worth considering his argument seriously.

Cheers,
- -Jeremy
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Re: [qubes-users] Increase user space (/home/user) in personal VM / understanding Qubes filesystems

2017-01-01 Thread Pawel Debski
W dniu niedziela, 1 stycznia 2017 16:35:59 UTC+1 użytkownik Andrew David Wong 
napisał:
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> On 2017-01-01 07:31, Pawel Debski wrote:
> > Folks,
> > 
> > when I run out of space, how do I increase /home filesystem in my personal 
> > domain?
> > 
> > Best regards
> > PD
> > 
> 
> Qubes VM Manager -> Select VM -> VM Settings -> Increase "Private storage 
> max. size" -> OK
> 
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Thanks Andrew,

that's what I exactly did and it works. However could you please either point 
me to the docs or explain how /home actually works.

What I usually do on other distros (physical install) is that I have a separate 
filesystem mounted on /home.

On Qubes however, when I do:

[user@fedora-usb ~]$ df
Filesystem 1K-blocksUsed Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/mapper/dmroot  10190136 5834236   3815228  61% /
/dev/xvdd 388480  152867215133  42% 
/usr/lib/modules/4.4.31-11.pvops.qubes.x86_64
devtmpfs  177280   0177280   0% /dev
tmpfs1048576 364   1048212   1% /dev/shm
tmpfs 184212 848183364   1% /run
tmpfs 184212   0184212   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
tmpfs1048576  12   1048564   1% /tmp
/dev/xvdb4062912  584324   3462204  15% /rw
tmpfs  36844  20 36824   1% /run/user/1000

which one is actually /home filesystem?

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Re: [qubes-users] Number of vcpus for machine with many cores?

2017-01-01 Thread Alex
On 01/01/2017 11:13 AM, Jarle Thorsen wrote:
> Thank you for your detailed answer. I realise that number of vcpus to
> choose is a hot topic.
> 
> In my 32 core system,if I give a vm 3 vcpus, does this mean that this
> vm will never be able to exceed 1/10th of the system's total cpu
> power?
> 
That's right, if you define the CPU power to be linearly related to the
number of assigned cores; at best, the 3 VCPUs will be assigned together.



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[qubes-users] Increase user space (/home/user) in personal VM

2017-01-01 Thread Pawel Debski
Folks,

when I run out of space, how do I increase /home filesystem in my personal 
domain?

Best regards
PD

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Re: [qubes-users] Number of vcpus for machine with many cores?

2017-01-01 Thread Jarle Thorsen
Thank you for your detailed answer. I realise that number of vcpus to choose is 
a hot topic.

In my 32 core system,if I give a vm 3 vcpus, does this mean that this vm will 
never be able to exceed 1/10th of the system's total cpu power? 

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