Re: [qubes-users] Crashplan?

2016-10-21 Thread Andrew David Wong
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On 2016-10-21 11:08, Max wrote:
> On Monday, 27 June 2016 04:21:20 UTC+8, Andrew David Wong  wrote:
> On 2016-06-26 12:07, Niels Kobschaetzki wrote:
 On 16/06/26 08:40, Andrew David Wong wrote:
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> On 2016-06-26 04:27, Niels Kobschaetzki wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> does anyone have experiences with running Crashplan in Qubes?
>> If yes, how did you install it?
>>
>> Niels
>>
>
> I installed it in a StandaloneVM with the installer's default
> options.
>
> (As I'm guessing you've discovered, attempting to install it in
> an AppVM with the default options doesn't allow it to persist
> across reboots since it tries to install parts of itself to the
> read-only root filesystem.)

 Ok, thanks. And then you transfer the data from the other VMs to
 that VM to back it up via Crashplan? Sounds like a lot of redundant
 data or do you have multiple disks (like a fast SSD for daily usage
 and a slow spinning disk for your backup-VM) in your computer?

 Niels

> 
> I just send my Qubes backups there.
> 
> 
> Hi Andrew, just to confirm my understanding...
> 
> You put your Qubes backups on a standalone VM which has Crashplan installed 
> so these backups can be selected as files and stored offsite on another 
> machine?
> 

Correct.

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Re: [qubes-users] Security announcement mailing list? [and others]

2016-10-21 Thread Andrew David Wong
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On 2016-10-21 20:50, Andrew David Wong wrote:
> On 2016-10-21 15:47, Franz wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 4:00 AM, jkitt  wrote:
> 
>>> Shouldn't a security focused distro make security announcement in a more
>>> direct and urgent way? I was surprised to find that Qubes only had a
>>> 'users' and 'development' mailing list.
>>>
>>>
> 
> Marek, what do you think about having a no-reply
> "qubes-announcements" mailing list?
> 

(By "no-reply" I mean that only the Qubes team would be able to send
messages to the list.)

> Messages sent from qubes-announcements would also be duplicated to
> qubes-devel and possibly qubes-users so that people have a chance to
> discuss and ask questions.
> 

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Re: [qubes-users] Security announcement mailing list? [and others]

2016-10-21 Thread Andrew David Wong
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On 2016-10-21 15:47, Franz wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 4:00 AM, jkitt  wrote:
> 
>> Shouldn't a security focused distro make security announcement in a more
>> direct and urgent way? I was surprised to find that Qubes only had a
>> 'users' and 'development' mailing list.
>>
>>

Marek, what do you think about having a no-reply "qubes-announcements" mailing 
list?

Messages sent from qubes-announcements would also be duplicated to qubes-devel 
and possibly qubes-users so that people have a chance to discuss and ask 
questions.

> I agree, there was a project to create a forum, but was abandoned because
> developers prefer the ML mailing list. But even subscribing to the ML
> format I see a need to subdivide the content because there are so many
> email arriving that following everything is a burden. How can one pretend
> that a newcomer inbox is invaded by such  a flow of emails. Most will
> opt-out.
> 
> Maybe I am wrong but I imagine that subdividing the flow in various streams
> there will be no drawback even  if one wants to subscribe to all MLs
> 
> For example the qubes-users ML may be subdivided as follows:
> 
> a security reports and updates ML with very few threads started only by
> developers (this is intended to be subscribed by everybody)
> 
> a security discussion ML with threads started by everyone
> 
> a hardware ML  with all issues related to HCL  PCI devices, special cases
> 
> a getting started ML for new users needing help to understand the system
> 
> a ordinary issues ML this is for backup restore, upgrades,  DVM etc.
> 
> a special issues ML this is for new ideas, servers, Whonix, Arch-Linux etc
> 
> That is something similar to what a forum would do, but in the ML format,
> to try to keep some order in a matter that is getting too rich for most
> people to follow properly.
> 
> Best
> Fran
> 

Some of the things you've described should be in qubes-devel, not qubes-users. 
Have a look at this page, which explains which types of messages should go to 
which list:

https://www.qubes-os.org/mailing-lists/

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[qubes-users] Net does not work

2016-10-21 Thread neznaika
I installed qubes. Then i changed mac address in the "clone mac" string, but 
network does not work. On another one pc with that mac i have no problems. In 
the qubes i have. What is wrong?

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[qubes-users] Net does not work

2016-10-21 Thread neznaika
I installed qubes. Then i changed mac address in the "clone mac" string, but 
network does not work. On another one pc with that mac i have no problems. In 
the qubes i have. What is wrong?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: OpenBSD Xen PHVM

2016-10-21 Thread raahelps
On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 11:10:23 PM UTC-4, raah...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 12:50:47 PM UTC-4, cubit wrote:
> > 7. Sep 2016 16:33 by jo...@johnrshannon.com:
> > From the OpenBSD 6.0 Release Notes:
> > The xen(4) driver now supports domU configuration under Qubes OS.
> > 
> > 
> > Has any persons investegated if OpenBSD as a AppVM is likely to possible?
> 
> ya, its been done before I think?  i read something about there is now xen 
> drivers,  but it still missing net driver for a sys-net?  It is on the 
> mailing list somehwere i'll try to look.

oh this is the thread lmao...

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: OpenBSD Xen PHVM

2016-10-21 Thread raahelps
On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 12:50:47 PM UTC-4, cubit wrote:
> 7. Sep 2016 16:33 by jo...@johnrshannon.com:
> From the OpenBSD 6.0 Release Notes:
> The xen(4) driver now supports domU configuration under Qubes OS.
> 
> 
> Has any persons investegated if OpenBSD as a AppVM is likely to possible?

ya, its been done before I think?  i read something about there is now xen 
drivers,  but it still missing net driver for a sys-net?  It is on the mailing 
list somehwere i'll try to look.

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Re: [qubes-users] Security announcement mailing list? [and others]

2016-10-21 Thread raahelps
On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 6:47:47 PM UTC-4, Francesco wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 4:00 AM, jkitt  wrote:
> Shouldn't a security focused distro make security announcement in a more 
> direct and urgent way? I was surprised to find that Qubes only had a 'users' 
> and 'development' mailing list.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I agree, there was a project to create a forum, but was abandoned because 
> developers prefer the ML mailing list. But even subscribing to the ML format 
> I see a need to subdivide the content because there are so many email 
> arriving that following everything is a burden. How can one pretend that a 
> newcomer inbox is invaded by such  a flow of emails. Most will opt-out.
> 
> 
> Maybe I am wrong but I imagine that subdividing the flow in various streams 
> there will be no drawback even  if one wants to subscribe to all MLs 
> 
> 
> For example the qubes-users ML may be subdivided as follows:
> 
> 
> a security reports and updates ML with very few threads started only by 
> developers (this is intended to be subscribed by everybody)
> 
> 
> a security discussion ML with threads started by everyone
> 
> 
> a hardware ML  with all issues related to HCL  PCI devices, special cases
> 
> 
> a getting started ML for new users needing help to understand the system
> 
> 
> a ordinary issues ML this is for backup restore, upgrades,  DVM etc.
> 
> 
> a special issues ML this is for new ideas, servers, Whonix, Arch-Linux etc
> 
> 
> That is something similar to what a forum would do, but in the ML format, to 
> try to keep some order in a matter that is getting too rich for most people 
> to follow properly.
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Fran
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I use a google account to log in on groups.google.com  it lets you know when 
something new has been posted to a new topic. or what you have unread and read.

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[qubes-users] super-bag

2016-10-21 Thread neznaika
Добавь меня в вк /m3forfree

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Re: [qubes-users] Security announcement mailing list? [and others]

2016-10-21 Thread Franz
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 4:00 AM, jkitt  wrote:

> Shouldn't a security focused distro make security announcement in a more
> direct and urgent way? I was surprised to find that Qubes only had a
> 'users' and 'development' mailing list.
>
>
I agree, there was a project to create a forum, but was abandoned because
developers prefer the ML mailing list. But even subscribing to the ML
format I see a need to subdivide the content because there are so many
email arriving that following everything is a burden. How can one pretend
that a newcomer inbox is invaded by such  a flow of emails. Most will
opt-out.

Maybe I am wrong but I imagine that subdividing the flow in various streams
there will be no drawback even  if one wants to subscribe to all MLs

For example the qubes-users ML may be subdivided as follows:

a security reports and updates ML with very few threads started only by
developers (this is intended to be subscribed by everybody)

a security discussion ML with threads started by everyone

a hardware ML  with all issues related to HCL  PCI devices, special cases

a getting started ML for new users needing help to understand the system

a ordinary issues ML this is for backup restore, upgrades,  DVM etc.

a special issues ML this is for new ideas, servers, Whonix, Arch-Linux etc

That is something similar to what a forum would do, but in the ML format,
to try to keep some order in a matter that is getting too rich for most
people to follow properly.

Best
Fran

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[qubes-users] Kwin/Wayland in AppVM's?

2016-10-21 Thread Dima Puntus
I was able to resolve my screen tearing issues (Intel HD 4000 IGP) in Dom0
by switching to Kwin (works like a charm both in Xfce and KDE). However,
problem is still there in deb-8 and fedora-23 AppVM's. Is there any way to
enable Kwin/Wayland here without breaking the setup? It does work great in
Xen+Fedora-23+Debian-8 setup, so technically it's doable from Xen's
standpoint. Any insight on this?

Thanks,
Dima

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[qubes-users] HCL - HP 630

2016-10-21 Thread Vincent Elliott
Hi,

Just came across Qubes and started playing with it from the USB Live Boot.

As requested, the HCL for my HP 630 laptop is attached.

Looking good!

Vincent

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Attaching USB 3g modem to sys-net.

2016-10-21 Thread Achim Patzner
Am 21.10.2016 um 02:36 schrieb Manuel Amador (Rudd-O):

> USBIP / Xen USB passthrough.
> It ought to be possible, at a cost of reduced security, to pass through
> individual devices from the dom0 to the NetVM, where they should appear
> as regular USB devices that you can just use.

You're talking about a "modem" here. Depending on the access port on the
other side, the PPP implementation specifics and some more parameters
this will stop working if there is more than a little bit of variance in
packet delays. This probably won't matter if the IP connection is fast
enough (e. g. VMs in Qubes) but I've seen this not working with PCMCIA
modems in PCMCIA-to-USB already (because they were not stable enough to
stay isosynchronous "enough") so don't expect it always to work. This
will get worse if there is some real USB involved.

Considering the "reduced security": We're already afraid that the
controller of a wireless NIC could be subverted at the network control
plane and used against bugs in the USB hardware driver in our USB
controllers. Yet there seem to be people willing to risk connecting
known-to-be remotely controllable wireless hardware (and we're not
talking of OTA updates we're used to get pushed into our "baseband
hardware" if we want it or not) to the system buses of their computers.
It's a bit mind boggling for me. You don't have to be rich to get one of
the gl-inet routers and move your long-range wireless stuff away from
your computer. Or run Windows instead and have all the comforts of a
modern (but a bit snoopy) OS.


Achim

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: OpenBSD Xen PHVM

2016-10-21 Thread cubit
7. Sep 2016 16:33 by j...@johnrshannon.com:

> From the OpenBSD 6.0 Release Notes:
>
>> The xen(4) driver now supports domU configuration under Qubes OS.




Has any persons investegated if OpenBSD as a AppVM is likely to possible?




 

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[qubes-users] Re: Why it's so big secret?

2016-10-21 Thread neznaika
Well.. I found my old pc, i found fedora18. I installed it. Then step when i 
need to install kernel-devel ("matching with qubes kernel") doesnt work. 
Because fedora have no devel-kernels with "qubes" or "pvops" in the name. There 
is no kernels even with "4.1.13-9". So i dont know how it can "matching". Then 
i just entered line "...install kernel-devel kmdtool..". And you know, kmdtool 
was not installed. There was something like ".. kmdtool not avialable" and 
"nothing to do". Something like that.. And i think maybe i should try to do the 
"manual install". Ok! I downloaded NVIDIA-.run file from 
nvidia.com at the new pc. Then copy it to dom0. Then i long time think why step 
with "./NVIDIA..." not work? 3 hours in the google, then "chmod a+x 
NVIDIA..run" and it began install - ez. But.. It stuck! 1 hour and i understand 
why: 0 free space memory on the ssd. Wow.. When i installing the qubes - i did 
it as ussally. Strange.. But ok. I begin searching info about lvm.. Well, that 
thing to hard for me. And i think - maybe i should try to do the backup VMs and 
quickly reinstall qubes? And i attached internal hdd, but it has non-english 
name and backup was failed. I found another one device and backuped all VMs and 
fedora23-template. 4 or 5 times i reinstalled qubes. And now i have the qubes 
again.  This time with KDE and not xfce. I restored VMs (except 
fedora-template, because cant delete it from qubes manager). As ussally i wrote 
my MAC for DHCP in the "cloned mac" string, but this time the net doesnt work. 
I dont know why. I re-pluged the cable. I tryed to see net-settings in the 
KDE-menu, but qubes ask me the root password, which i skipped when was 
installing. Ipconfig - command not found. Ifconfig - command not found. 
Hwaddress - command not found. I feel i can break my laptop soon =\
I hope you understand my english, i write from mobile, without even the 
google-translate.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Attaching USB 3g modem to sys-net.

2016-10-21 Thread f03gu9h3u9fh38hg
On Friday, 21 October 2016 01:36:52 UTC+1, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)  wrote:
> On 10/20/2016 05:03 PM, f03gu9h3u9fh3...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Is there no software route i can take? Is is not possible to virtualize a 
> > specific device and then attach that to the VM or something alike?
> >
> > I could just get 2 PS/2 adaptors for my keyboard and mouse and set up a 
> > dedicated USBVM then proxy my 3g modem device to sys-net. 
> >
> 
> USBIP / Xen USB passthrough.
> 
> It ought to be possible, at a cost of reduced security, to pass through
> individual devices from the dom0 to the NetVM, where they should appear
> as regular USB devices that you can just use.
> 
> It also ought to be possible to use USBIP to pass through individual
> devices from the USB VM (if you are using one) to the NetVM, where
> (again) they should appear as regular USB devices.
> 
> I have not tried these things, I must say.
> 
> -- 
> Rudd-O
> http://rudd-o.com/

do you know where i could find more information about this? thank you

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Re: Enigmial and Splig GPG2 (previously Re: [qubes-users] Upgrading from Split GPG1 to Split GPG2?)

2016-10-21 Thread cubit
9. Oct 2016 15:17 by cu...@tutanota.com:

>
> Has anyone experienced problems with using Splig GPG with Thunderbird and 
> Enigmail 1.9.5 in Debian 8 appVM?   Have also tried to build the AppVM 
> and TB install from scratch instead of simpli upgrading enigmail with 
> existing AppVM.    When ever I try I get the above error. when checking 
> encrypted email.
>







Sorry for bumping but hoping someone knows a solution for this?






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Re: [qubes-users] Re: XFCE Application menu

2016-10-21 Thread cubit
4. Oct 2016 11:47 by cu...@tutanota.com:

>
> https://smdavis.us/projects/menulibre>   looks promising 
>
>
>
>
>
> But I am think that I just checking with anyone who has experience with XFCE 
> + Qubes to make sure there is not some sort of compatibility issue by using 
> such a app and how Qubes interacts with the application menu.
>




I tried menulibre and it did not go so well, moving the "Qubes VM Manager" 
shortcut in the app menu from the middle of off the templates and  appvm's to 
the top along side "run program" and "terminal emulator"  had the very bad side 
effect of deleting all the shortcuts under "system tools".




Has anyone played around and found a way to --safely-- organize the application 
menu?






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Re: [qubes-users] home directory is out of disk space

2016-10-21 Thread yonjah
I'm had a very similar issue on 3.1

My harddrive was completely full. I tried to remove some files from inside the 
appVMs but that didn't clear any space on dom0 So I rebooted the system.
After reboot one AppVM wouldn't start. I got the
“Document is empty, line 1, column 1” Error.
If I tried to go into the vm settings a pop up with the same error shows and  
text below -
"This is most likely a bug in the Qubes Manager"

I looked into qubes.xml and it wasn't empty ( from size it looked similar to 
the other files in backup ) Even though I tried to replace it with some older 
versions from the backup but non worked.

In the end I noticed the appVM folder had an empty firewall.xml file
removing the file solved the start and setting issue
I had to recover my firewall rules but that wasn't a big issue


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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes R3.2, cannot find redshift{-gtk} packages on dom0

2016-10-21 Thread Pablo Di Noto
>
>
>>
> Well, ahem, it turned out that following the advice on
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/i3/
> I could install it without any issue.
>
> I swear I tried `qubes-dom0-current-testing` but it seems I did not.
> Sorry for the noise!
>
>
For future reference (including to myself, it seems) you can install
Redshift, (which adjusts the color temperature of your screen according to
your surroundings and may help your eyes hurt less if you are working in
front of the screen at night, as its author states) in plain R3.2 with:

[user@dom0 ~]$ sudo qubes-dom0-update
--enablerepo=qubes-dom0-current-testing redshift redshift-gtk

Cheers,
///Pablo

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes R3.2, cannot find redshift{-gtk} packages on dom0

2016-10-21 Thread Pablo Di Noto
>
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 3:47:56 AM UTC+2, Pablo Di Noto wrote:
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > I have reinstalled R3.2 and want to install Redshift (and its GUI) on
>> dom0 again.
>> > I do not recall how I did it on R3.1, and successive updates.
>> >
>> > I see on a Fedora 23 VM that redshift and redshift-gtk are available in
>> the `updates` repository.
>> >
>> > But cannot find how to access these (or equivalent) repositories on
>> dom0. Used `qubes-dom0-update --enablerepo=XXX` with many different
>> repositories mentioned in FAQs and other posts here with XXX={updates,
>> qubes-dom0-current-testing, qubes-dom0-security-testing,
>> qubes-dom0-unstable, ...} but all return "Unable to find a match".
>> >
>> > What am I missing?
>> >
>>
>> I know how to install redshift but whats the dom0 command to install the
>> redshift-gtk ?
>>
>> sudo yum install redshift-gtk ?
>>
>> tried it and can not find it...
>>
>>
> Well, as I mentioned in my original post, neither `redshift` nor
> `redshift-gtk` seem to be available into the repositories that come
> installed and enabled in Qubes R3.2.
>
> I guess during my successive updates from R3 -> R3.1rcX -> R3.2rcX somehow
> I enabled a testing repository where I found it, but cannot redo the same
> now.
>
> Being a mostly debian/ubuntu habitual, I am not very familiar with the
> latests Fedora packaging. I can grasp the idea on a Fedora 23 vm, but I get
> lost in the dom0 proxy update system (works like a charm, no intention of
> critizicing it).
>
> My eyes miss Redshift, would really appreciate any pointers.
>
> Cheers,
> ///Pablo
>
>
>
>
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>
Well, ahem, it turned out that following the advice on
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/i3/
I could install it without any issue.

I swear I tried `qubes-dom0-current-testing` but it seems I did not.
Sorry for the noise!

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes R3.2, cannot find redshift{-gtk} packages on dom0

2016-10-21 Thread Gorka Alonso
El viernes, 21 de octubre de 2016, 10:52:48 (UTC+2), vincent.ma...@gmail.com  
escribió:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 3:47:56 AM UTC+2, Pablo Di Noto wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > 
> > I have reinstalled R3.2 and want to install Redshift (and its GUI) on dom0 
> > again.
> > I do not recall how I did it on R3.1, and successive updates.
> > 
> > I see on a Fedora 23 VM that redshift and redshift-gtk are available in the 
> > `updates` repository. 
> > 
> > But cannot find how to access these (or equivalent) repositories on dom0. 
> > Used `qubes-dom0-update --enablerepo=XXX` with many different repositories 
> > mentioned in FAQs and other posts here with XXX={updates, 
> > qubes-dom0-current-testing, qubes-dom0-security-testing, 
> > qubes-dom0-unstable, ...} but all return "Unable to find a match".
> > 
> > What am I missing?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > ///Pablo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I know how to install redshift but whats the dom0 command to install the 
> redshift-gtk ?
> 
> 
> sudo yum install redshift-gtk ?
> 
> tried it and can not find it...

I guess this [1] link can help you.

[1] https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/software-update-dom0/

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes R3.2, cannot find redshift{-gtk} packages on dom0

2016-10-21 Thread vincent . maximus . coco
On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 3:47:56 AM UTC+2, Pablo Di Noto wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I have reinstalled R3.2 and want to install Redshift (and its GUI) on dom0 
> again.
> I do not recall how I did it on R3.1, and successive updates.
> 
> I see on a Fedora 23 VM that redshift and redshift-gtk are available in the 
> `updates` repository. 
> 
> But cannot find how to access these (or equivalent) repositories on dom0. 
> Used `qubes-dom0-update --enablerepo=XXX` with many different repositories 
> mentioned in FAQs and other posts here with XXX={updates, 
> qubes-dom0-current-testing, qubes-dom0-security-testing, qubes-dom0-unstable, 
> ...} but all return "Unable to find a match".
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> ///Pablo





I know how to install redshift but whats the dom0 command to install the 
redshift-gtk ?


sudo yum install redshift-gtk ?

tried it and can not find it...

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[qubes-users] Security announcement mailing list?

2016-10-21 Thread jkitt
Shouldn't a security focused distro make security announcement in a more direct 
and urgent way? I was surprised to find that Qubes only had a 'users' and 
'development' mailing list.

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