[qubes-users] Qubes - Critique (long)

2019-03-15 Thread John Goold
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*A Critique of Qubes*

Before discussing Qubes, I want to give you a bit of background about
me. I do not want to tell my life-story, I doubt anyone is interested.
However, I want you to know "where I am coming from" and what I want
from Qubes. I am keeping in mind that what I want is just that and
Qubes may not be intended to satisfy, or interest in satisfying my
wants and needs -- that is, I may simply be part of the wrong
demographic.

* Retired roughly 2 decades
* 73 years old
* Degree in Computer Science
* Started out programming mainframes in Assembly Language (machine
  code)
* Later, large-scale software development (various roles) -- R & D,
  telecoms and mission-critical apps (those involved in health-care are
  regulated)
* Proprietary H/W and OSes, then various Unixes.

I am not paranoid over privacy and security, but I recognize there are
many individuals who, rightfully, fear for their privacy and anonymity
- -- their livelihood and even their lives may depend on it.

Wants:

* Reliability -- do not fail on me or, if something goes wrong, fail
  gracefully.
* Reasonable security -- more than is provided by the more standard
  Linux distributions (I am a fan of Linux Mint).
* Reasonable privacy (I hope that is not an oxymoron); though perhaps
  it is too late in the game for me (though I have never been a fan of
  social media, or anything Google)
* No need to spend large amounts of time tinkering with my basic
  personal computer setup.
* Ease of use and administration, including software installation.
* GUI for virtually everything unless there is a really, really, really
  good reason to use a CLI. Do not get me wrong, I am comfortable with
  CLI's, but I do not want to spend my time researching various Linux
  administration tools. Consider me lazy if you wish.
* No need to build my own tools to use Qubes (I do some website and
  server- side development to keep the neurons firing -- I can do all
  the programming I want in that environment).

Basically, my personal computer(s) is a tool. If I write some software
on it, that software will be for some other purpose and not to
complement the OS.

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Critique:

I started using Qubes for my main computer about two months ago. I had
previously experimented with release 3.2 and 4.0 on my HP laptop and
ran into various problems -- discussed by many users ad nausium in
qubes-users. I got a nice little desktop computer for Christmas (from
my wife :-) -- an Intel NUC7i7 (32 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD).

So I started from the beginning. Installing Qubes 4.0.1 was relatively
straightforward, although it did require researching the use of a USB
mouse and keyboard.

Basic configuration was no worse than any Linux distribution I have
played with. Software installation was not as straightforward. I was
forced into using the CLI (I do have two proprietary programs: VueScan
and Bcompare). Installing other software can be problematic. I
installed Chromium. The install appeared successful. I was able to add
Chromium to an appVM. When I started the appVM and launched Chromium
from the menu... nothing! No window, no error message. I tried a number
of times (the reason for just re-trying will be mentioned below).

Issues...

* When launching a program from the Qubes menu, particularly if the
  target   appVM has to be started, the program often fails to be
  launched. This happens very frequently with the Text Editor.

  This is annoying as one waits a bit in case one is simply being
  impatient, or at least I do, so as not to launch two copies of the
  program by accident.

* When a USB device is attached to an appVM, there is an appropriate
  notification. When it is detached, there is a notification that the
  device is being detached, but no notification to indicate that it has
  been successfully detached  so how long should one wait before
  unplugging it?

* Ignoring whonix (I do not use it... yet), there are two template VMs
  in the vanilla Qubes 4.0.1 installation: Fedora and Debian. However,
  they have not been treated equally, with Debian being the loser. The
  Qubes documentation indicates that Fedora was favoured for security
  reasons.

  Since I had been using Linux distributions based, directly or
  indirectly, on Debian, when I first set up Qubes, I created my appVMs
  based on Debian. That  was painful as I then had to install a lot of
  basic software.

  When I re-read the documentation, I realized the security reasons,
  so I switched all my appVMs (except one!) back to Fedora. It was not
  painful, but I would have rather have spent the time doing something
  else.

  The kicker came when Firefox stopped playing Flash content in my
  untrusted appVM, complaining that I needed an up to date version of
  Flash. I installed the most recent version, but that did not solve
  the problem. The problem is/ was something to do with 

Re: [qubes-users] i9-9980XE or i9-7980XE on Gigabyte X299 DESIGNARE EX or AMD 2990WX TR on Gigabyte X399 DESIGNARE EX?

2019-03-15 Thread Chris Laprise

On 3/15/19 7:11 PM, jrsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

There's nothing even close to these on the HCL, but would like to know if 
anyone has attempted either of these with 4.0.1 and succeeded.  These are 
essentially the same base hardware as given in the BoM for the recently 
announced System76 Thelio Major open source hardware desktop systems.



I'm overdue to add more submissions to the list. One of them is for a 
Gigabyte 970A-DS3P with an 8 core AMD...


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[qubes-users] i9-9980XE or i9-7980XE on Gigabyte X299 DESIGNARE EX or AMD 2990WX TR on Gigabyte X399 DESIGNARE EX?

2019-03-15 Thread jrsmiley
There's nothing even close to these on the HCL, but would like to know if 
anyone has attempted either of these with 4.0.1 and succeeded.  These are 
essentially the same base hardware as given in the BoM for the recently 
announced System76 Thelio Major open source hardware desktop systems.  

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[qubes-users] Re: Valid Concerns Regarding Integrity of Whonix Project

2019-03-15 Thread vadimklyushnikov1
OP here. 

I unreservedly  apologize to Patrick and mig5 for making this post. The work 
you do on the whonix project is of incredible value and I think my post here 
has lead to a discussion that I now regret instigating. None of the broader 
issues I raised are whonix specific. It was unfair to single out Patrick and 
his fantastic team. My post was reactive and without much thought. 

More broadly I do advocate the position that if a country passes anti-sec laws 
the global tech community should attach a price to such action. The cost of 
exclusion from potential job markets and opportunities would not only put 
pressure on Australia reconsider it's position but deter future countries from 
following same path which has in my view got no good outcome. 

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